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The REAL Numbers Coming Out of Italy -- Not what you think.

 
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In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions co-occurring with a primary condition.

Example: Someone with stage 3 or 4 cancer who then also gets the coronavirus COVID-19.

The official death toll from coronavirus in Italy is: 2,503

The Italian Higher Institute of Health shows that the ACTUAL death toll in Italy from COVID-19 if you remove comorbidity is: 2 people.

The link to the Italian government site is in the article.

It seems the government and especially the media do not want people to know this fact. Hmm, why is that?

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Only two people were not presently carriers of diseases ", but even in these two cases, the examination of the files is not concluded and therefore, causes of death different from Covid-19 could emerge.
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Duh - but the fact is, many people have some co-morbidity, and this increases with age.

Asthma, severe allergies, high blood pressure, overweight, diabetes, lupus, MS, MD, CF, COPD, cancer...

If you have one virus, say flu and then catch CV19 and die, that is also a co-condition.

If they look hard enough at any CV19 death, they can find some other condition present. There will be some who choose to do this & publish so that people will think it's no big deal and get back to normal, thinking that those sick and vulnerable somehow deserve it.
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In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions co-occurring with a primary condition.

Example: Someone with stage 3 or 4 cancer who then also gets the coronavirus COVID-19.

The official death toll from coronavirus in Italy is: 2,503

The Italian Higher Institute of Health shows that the ACTUAL death toll in Italy from COVID-19 if you remove comorbidity is: 2 people.

The link to the Italian government site is in the article.

It seems the government and especially the media do not want people to know this fact. Hmm, why is that?

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Yup. Alle these number games are worth nothing, only thing that counts in the end is hard facts like overall mortality rate. It didnt increas in China. It didnt increase in Italy. it is all a Scam.
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Duh - but the fact is, many people have some co-morbidity, and this increases with age.

Asthma, severe allergies, high blood pressure, overweight, diabetes, lupus, MS, MD, CF, COPD, cancer...

If you have one virus, say flu and then catch CV19 and die, that is also a co-condition.

If they look hard enough at any CV19 death, they can find some other condition present. There will be some who choose to do this & publish so that people will think it's no big deal and get back to normal, thinking that those sick and vulnerable somehow deserve it.
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Show me increase in overall mortality. Weekly numbers in italy the same so far. You have nothing but very dubious and unscientific number games and artificially created hysteria by MSM and politicians.
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Duh - but the fact is, many people have some co-morbidity, and this increases with age.

Asthma, severe allergies, high blood pressure, overweight, diabetes, lupus, MS, MD, CF, COPD, cancer...

If you have one virus, say flu and then catch CV19 and die, that is also a co-condition.

If they look hard enough at any CV19 death, they can find some other condition present. There will be some who choose to do this & publish so that people will think it's no big deal and get back to normal, thinking that those sick and vulnerable somehow deserve it.
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Tonsillitis. Strep throat. A cold. GERD. Hypoglycemia. Sinusitis. Etcetera.

Co morbidities.
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So doom off?
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Not really. But the danger is not the Virus, its the measurements against this supposed killer virus that will destroy our economy and take away our freedoms and ultimatley will cause more death and suffering than the Virus (its basically the FLu) could have ever done.
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In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions co-occurring with a primary condition.

Example: Someone with stage 3 or 4 cancer who then also gets the coronavirus COVID-19.

The official death toll from coronavirus in Italy is: 2,503

The Italian Higher Institute of Health shows that the ACTUAL death toll in Italy from COVID-19 if you remove comorbidity is: 2 people.

The link to the Italian government site is in the article.

It seems the government and especially the media do not want people to know this fact. Hmm, why is that?

[link to blog.nomorefakenews.com (secure)]
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Well i would act surprised, but i m fucking not. That is all
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Some of the last virus deniers on this thread is see.
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Some of the last virus deniers on this thread is see.
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Come on, show me the facts. How is it possible a killer Virus makes its round and overall mortality rate doesn't increase? Asking for days now, you all got nothing but propaganda induced fear.
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Now we are pinning fucking blogs here

This tard has been spamming this blog for weeks now

This shit has been debunked a dozen times already

I can show you evidence of hundreds of young healthy people with prior medical conditions that have been hospitalized in the ICU on ventilators

Pinning this thread is highly irresponsible
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The data itself denies it. Don't shoot the messenger, juwboy.
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Duh - but the fact is, many people have some co-morbidity, and this increases with age.

Asthma, severe allergies, high blood pressure, overweight, diabetes, lupus, MS, MD, CF, COPD, cancer...

If you have one virus, say flu and then catch CV19 and die, that is also a co-condition.

If they look hard enough at any CV19 death, they can find some other condition present. There will be some who choose to do this & publish so that people will think it's no big deal and get back to normal, thinking that those sick and vulnerable somehow deserve it.
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Show me increase in overall mortality. Weekly numbers in italy the same so far. You have nothing but very dubious and unscientific number games and artificially created hysteria by MSM and politicians.
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You have to have some understanding of statistics and exponential growth here, and you obviously do not. Italy has a normal mortality rate of 10.7 individuals for 1000 people, or just a hair over 1%. They have a population of 60.3 million. So, that means about 603,000 die annually (give or take). The CV19 has only had 2500 deaths SO FAR in Italy, which is statistically insignificant in the annual death total. However, if left unchecked, at a 3% death rate, the CV19 would be a total of 1,809,000 people dead in Italy alone. The rates could be much higher if hospitals and the medical community breaks down. That is why they are trying to slow its trajectory down. By being able to provide adequate medical care to everyone who needs it, the death rates will actually decrease. Either way, it will make its way through the population and you can expect a mortality of well over a million people in Italy alone over the next couple of years. It IS significant.
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Now we are pinning fucking blogs here

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Fuck your anecdotes, juwden.

They are as worthless as juw on a farm.
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Now we are pinning fucking blogs here

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In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions co-occurring with a primary condition.

Example: Someone with stage 3 or 4 cancer who then also gets the coronavirus COVID-19.

The official death toll from coronavirus in Italy is: 2,503

The Italian Higher Institute of Health shows that the ACTUAL death toll in Italy from COVID-19 if you remove comorbidity is: 2 people.

The link to the Italian government site is in the article.

It seems the government and especially the media do not want people to know this fact. Hmm, why is that?

[link to blog.nomorefakenews.com (secure)]
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So basically if theres no underlying disease present, it acts as a type of flu. For people with underlying conditions, it can be fatal. I for one, think our family, friends and neighbors with health issues are important to protect. Therein may be why this isn't being told, because there are plenty of selfish people who would just not care about others.
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Considering 60% of Americans have at least one chronic health condition, this does not bode well for us.
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In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions co-occurring with a primary condition.

Example: Someone with stage 3 or 4 cancer who then also gets the coronavirus COVID-19.

The official death toll from coronavirus in Italy is: 2,503

The Italian Higher Institute of Health shows that the ACTUAL death toll in Italy from COVID-19 if you remove comorbidity is: 2 people.

The link to the Italian government site is in the article.

It seems the government and especially the media do not want people to know this fact. Hmm, why is that?

[link to blog.nomorefakenews.com (secure)]
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So basically if theres no underlying disease present, it acts as a type of flu. For people with underlying conditions, it can be fatal. I for one, think our family, friends and neighbors with health issues are important to protect. Therein may be why this isn't being told, because there are plenty of selfish people who would just not care about others.
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So tell them to stay the fuck inside their bubble, cunt, then they won't get hurt.
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Considering 60% of Americans have at least one chronic health condition, this does not bode well for us.
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EFFECT DOES NOT PROVE THE CAUSE.
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Come on, show me the facts. How is it possible a killer Virus makes its round and overall mortality rate doesn't increase? Asking for days now, you all got nothing but propaganda induced fear.
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Let's see what the death rate ends up being a year from now. We're still early in this pandemic.
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Sadly...
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Now we are pinning fucking blogs here

This tard has been spamming this blog for weeks now

This shit has been debunked a dozen times already

I can show you evidence of hundreds of young healthy people with NO prior medical conditions that have been hospitalized in the ICU on ventilators

Pinning this thread is highly irresponsible
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Fuck your anecdotes, juwden.

They are as worthless as juw on a farm.
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The link below from a real accredited source proves this amateur blog bullshit is propaganda

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Now we are pinning fucking blogs here

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This shit has been debunked a dozen times already

I can show you evidence of hundreds of young healthy people with NO prior medical conditions that have been hospitalized in the ICU on ventilators

Pinning this thread is highly irresponsible
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Fuck your anecdotes, juwden.

They are as worthless as juw on a farm.
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The link below from a real accredited source proves this amateur blog bullshit is propaganda

[link to www.fox4news.com (secure)]
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MORE ANECDOTES. LEARN TO SCIENCE, FAGET





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