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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?

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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?
 Quoting: Gestas


say what?

wrong.


These craft or entities may be robotic in nature maybe human like maybe look like lizards, they may live here all along.

your trying to go religeous on this one.

Some say they are inter dimensional and have no physical address,

We dont know what, who or where they are from but alien to us.

Stanton Friedman knew a bit more than you.

Intelligence is a scaled idea, a dolphin is said to be intelligent but couldn't build your house,but all sorts of animals mammals do build houses adequate for them.

Humans dominate this planet and said to be intelligent. However imagine an entity alien to us that has existed for millions of years has evolved so far they have no need for physical bodies and dont exist in the physical realm rather a higher plane, they live in between dimensions exist in a place or realm we dont see.

They might consider us warlike primitive squirrels.

Perspective
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After thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of distant contacts, what would you do?

Hi, I'm here.
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So what is your conclusion?
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So what is your conclusion?
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I believe they're unembodied immaterial beings (we are embodied immaterial beings). In other words, they're spirits or minds. The Bible calls them God's messengers (i.e. angels). And some of these angels have used their free will to rebel against God, just like there are some human beings who have used their free will to rebel against God. Angels who are in rebellion against God are demons.

Angels and demons are much more intelligent and powerful than human beings and are able to take on forms despite being immaterial in nature. And in the Bible there are reports of people being possessed, influenced, and harmed by demons. Interestingly, before an encounter with a so-called alien or UFO, many people will get thoughts or strong urges to go to some isolated area where the encounter will take place. This suggests that these beings are powerful minds who are able to communicate telepathically. Not only do I think some UFOs/UAP are caused by demons, but I believe other phenomena like big foot sightings, mothman sightings, ghosts, etc., are caused by demons. The ultimate goal is to change what humans believe in and how they think. They're trying to get as many people as possible to turn away from God in one way or another.

Making matters worse, I don't think demonic influence stops at supernatural encounters and sightings. I believe they also have great influence in both media and the governments of the world.

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dude theyre just magnetic machines,the ones from pharohs time were either india or antarctica.what is a caduceus coil,when you can answer that,everything else is answered.
research emhd.nuff said!
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dude theyre just magnetic machines,the ones from pharohs time were either india or antarctica.what is a caduceus coil,when you can answer that,everything else is answered.
research emhd.nuff said!
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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?
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I believe they are us. Humans from the future, time travellers. Don't interact so not to cause a paradox.
They will when the time is right. When they are meant to, like their history tells them. Not before.
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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?
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Yeah riiiiiiiiiiiight!

WHY ALL THE WARS AND KILLING THEN???

Don't tell me that Hidden Hand answer that it is to "make humans realize the futility of war$$$$"....


ANYHOW, would an INTELLIGENT species order the SHOOT DOWN of a HIGHLY ADVANCED SPACECRAFT???

WHY??

BECAUSE IT DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT TO THE LIFE OF THE PRIMITIVE PILOT???


Well, it LOOKS LIKE that is NOT THE SAME THINKING of the HIGHLY ADVANCED BEINGS:



Tehran UFO Incident, 1976: Iranian Fighter Jets Chase a UFO

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Anyhow, for more CLARITY on the topic read these threads:


Thread: I'm the Leader of the Galactic Federation of Light incarnated on Earth, you may now ALL ask me a question...


And PRINCIPALLY this:

Thread: The Evidence - of being TLOTGFOL

And be at AWE!!!!
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So what is your conclusion?
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I believe they're unembodied immaterial beings (we are embodied immaterial beings). In other words, they're spirits or minds. The Bible calls them God's messengers (i.e. angels). And some of these angels have used their free will to rebel against God, just like there are some human beings who have used their free will to rebel against God. Angels who are in rebellion against God are demons.

Angels and demons are much more intelligent and powerful than human beings and are able to take on forms despite being immaterial in nature. And in the Bible there are reports of people being possessed, influenced, and harmed by demons. Interestingly, before an encounter with a so-called alien or UFO, many people will get thoughts or strong urges to go to some isolated area where the encounter will take place. This suggests that these beings are powerful minds who are able to communicate telepathically. Not only do I think some UFOs/UAP are caused by demons, but I believe other phenomena like big foot sightings, mothman sightings, ghosts, etc., are caused by demons. The ultimate goal is to change what humans believe in and how they think. They're trying to get as many people as possible to turn away from God in one way or another.

Making matters worse, I don't think demonic influence stops at supernatural encounters and sightings. I believe they also have great influence in both media and the governments of the world.
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I thought only HOMOSEXUALS were the DEMONS.

WHAT GIVES???

CAN'T YOU SETTLE ON WHO IS THE DEMONS FOR YOU NUCLEAR BOMBING "LOVING CHRISTIANS"???
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ANYHOW they are from the 5th Dimension.

They have made that VERY VERY CLEAR!!

That is WHY I was born on the 5th of November.

And Travis Walton was abducted on that VERY DATE in 197FIVE.

For FIVE days.

And the Phoenix Lights were FIVE.

In V formation.

V = 5.

So we are DOULBE "DEMONS".

SINCE I AM GAY!!!

I tried to get refugee status in Canada TWICE!!

1 + 1.

Was DENIED twice!!

EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD THIS AS EVIDENCE:

[link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]



The "Queen's Representatives" DECIDED IT SO.

TWICE.


1 + 1



JUST LIKE IN THIS CASE:

1 day + 1 day


6th and 7th of March of 1967.


Crestview Elementary School UFO Sighting: Miami 1967

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My sister completed ONE year old on this date!


They showed up ONE year earlier on this VERY DATE on the Westall HighSchool in AUSTRALIA.

GOT THE MESSAGE ALREADY???

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So what is your conclusion?
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I believe they're unembodied immaterial beings (we are embodied immaterial beings). In other words, they're spirits or minds. The Bible calls them God's messengers (i.e. angels). And some of these angels have used their free will to rebel against God, just like there are some human beings who have used their free will to rebel against God. Angels who are in rebellion against God are demons.

Angels and demons are much more intelligent and powerful than human beings and are able to take on forms despite being immaterial in nature. And in the Bible there are reports of people being possessed, influenced, and harmed by demons. Interestingly, before an encounter with a so-called alien or UFO, many people will get thoughts or strong urges to go to some isolated area where the encounter will take place. This suggests that these beings are powerful minds who are able to communicate telepathically. Not only do I think some UFOs/UAP are caused by demons, but I believe other phenomena like big foot sightings, mothman sightings, ghosts, etc., are caused by demons. The ultimate goal is to change what humans believe in and how they think. They're trying to get as many people as possible to turn away from God in one way or another.

Making matters worse, I don't think demonic influence stops at supernatural encounters and sightings. I believe they also have great influence in both media and the governments of the world.
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Op, this post is full of truth. Most of these things are not nuts and bolts craft but an entity itself.
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So what is your conclusion?
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I believe they're unembodied immaterial beings (we are embodied immaterial beings). In other words, they're spirits or minds. The Bible calls them God's messengers (i.e. angels). And some of these angels have used their free will to rebel against God, just like there are some human beings who have used their free will to rebel against God. Angels who are in rebellion against God are demons.

Angels and demons are much more intelligent and powerful than human beings and are able to take on forms despite being immaterial in nature. And in the Bible there are reports of people being possessed, influenced, and harmed by demons. Interestingly, before an encounter with a so-called alien or UFO, many people will get thoughts or strong urges to go to some isolated area where the encounter will take place. This suggests that these beings are powerful minds who are able to communicate telepathically. Not only do I think some UFOs/UAP are caused by demons, but I believe other phenomena like big foot sightings, mothman sightings, ghosts, etc., are caused by demons. The ultimate goal is to change what humans believe in and how they think. They're trying to get as many people as possible to turn away from God in one way or another.

Making matters worse, I don't think demonic influence stops at supernatural encounters and sightings. I believe they also have great influence in both media and the governments of the world.
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Op, this post is full of truth. Most of these things are not nuts and bolts craft but an entity itself.
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AND????

SO FUCKING WHAT???

ARE THEY KILLING OTHERS LIKE YOU ARE???

WHEN ARE YOU "CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITES" GONNA APOLOGIZE TO THE IRAQ PEOPLE FOR THE BOMBS YOU DROPPED ON THEIR HEADS BECAUSE OF 911???

I know the answer, since I lived in Canada for 14 years and KNOW how you IDIOTS THINK:

NEVER!!!


YOU RATHER BLAME THE DEMONS!!!!

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NASTY hypocrites.
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Backdating history on paper or n stone is pretty easy. Open the catacombs at the Vatican to find out what is really going on at Dulce, Antarctica, and possibly DARPA, not to mention the Smithsonian
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Backdating history on paper or n stone is pretty easy. Open the catacombs at the Vatican to find out what is really going on at Dulce, Antarctica, and possibly DARPA, not to mention the Smithsonian
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They would not FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO KEEP THE MASSES BELIEVING THAT WE ARE "ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE" IF THEY COULD GET ANY HELP FROM THE HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEACEFUL VISITORS.

That is why they LIE for over 70 years.

And it IS because YOU LET THEM.

You do NOTHING.

Just keep going ON and ON and ON about NOTHING.

Therefore:



The UFO Cover Up Former Chief Of Defence Staff Lord Hill Norton Speaks.

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"WE ARE ALL ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE!" - MA$ON$ 2020


WHO benefits?
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I am myself SICK AND TIRED to hear humans talk about humans as IF they were THE SHIT!

Even HIGHLY ADVANCED EXTRATERRESTRIALS are NOTHING MORE than BLOODY VIOLENT NASTY HUMANS from the "future".

OH THE HORROR!! THE HORROR!!



Apocalypse Now: Marlon Brando Horror Speech

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AmeriKKKans:

I Love the Smell of Napalm in the Morning - Robert Duvall in APOCALYPSE NOW

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THE DEMONS!!!
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This is the END.


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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?
 Quoting: Gestas


I believe they are us. Humans from the future, time travellers. Don't interact so not to cause a paradox.
They will when the time is right. When they are meant to, like their history tells them. Not before.
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Let's say traveling to the past is possible. And let's also say that these "aliens" and "UFOs" are just visitors from the future.

The problem is their very presence would cause reverberations into the future. Their presence would cause disturbances in matter and energy which would change the future. What's more, these beings do interact with us all the time. There have been multitudes of sightings and close-encounters for thousands of years. But these interactions are sporadic, never make any sense, and are sometimes malicious. Other times, these beings try to get us to worship them or try to get us to do things that are contrary to the teachings from the Bible.

Therefore, I don't think they are time-travelers.

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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?
 Quoting: Gestas


I believe they are us. Humans from the future, time travellers. Don't interact so not to cause a paradox.
They will when the time is right. When they are meant to, like their history tells them. Not before.
 Quoting: UK 78507075


Let's say traveling to the past is possible. And let's also say that these "aliens" and "UFOs" are just visitors from the future.

The problem is their very presence would cause reverberations into the future. Their presence would cause disturbances in matter and energy which would change the future. What's more, these beings do interact with us all the time. There have been multitudes of sightings and close-encounters for thousands of years. But these interactions are sporadic, never make any sense, and are sometimes malicious. Other times, these beings try to get us to worship them or try to get us to do things that are contrary to the teachings from the Bible.

Therefore, I don't think they are time-travelers.
 Quoting: Gestas


From the book that teaches you how to "treat" a SLAVE, that is not a BAD thing is it???


NOT TO THE BOMBING "LOVING CHRISTIANS" HYPOCRITES....
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There is a presumption in the UFO community that if a UFO is not man-made and not a natural phenomenon, then it must be a biological life-form from space--or at the very least--ultimately produced by a biological life-form from space.

First, if UFOs and the beings inside them are from some advanced civilization from space, then why do they behave in confusing and sometimes malicious ways? Imagine for a moment if we found some primitive life on mars equivalent to the intelligence and knowledge of human beings from five-thousand years ago. How would we act towards them? Would we appear in the sky above them for several seconds, do some aerial maneuvers, and then disappear? Would we abduct and frighten them? Would we instruct them to build something for us or tell them to create a new religion? I'd think we would do one of two things: we would either study them from afar, undetected--or we would make meaningful contact with them. The late Stanton Friedman once said the reason why aliens do not make a concerted effort to communicate with us is the same reason why people do not make a concerted effort to communicate with squirrels. I disagree. If it were possible for human beings to communicate with squirrels, then I am certain we would, happily, and often. The reason why we don't is because squirrels do not have the capacity for language or higher thinking. Human beings do though. If Friedman's opinion on this matter weren't puzzling enough, he believed Barney and Betty Hill were really abducted and that Betty was given information about where they came from.

Not only do these alleged aliens sporadically appear to us in confusing ways, communicate confusing things, instruct us to do confusing things, and even sometimes frighten, abduct, or harm us, but they've been doing it for all of human history. Here's just 1 of 500 of such encounters cataloged in the book Wonders in The Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck,

"1347 BC, El-Amarna, Nile Valley, Egypt

Akhenaton's flying disk

Pharaoh Akhenaton (Amenophis IV) had a unique experience that was to shape Egyptian history. According to inscriptions on the 'Frontier Stelae' found on the circumference of El-Amarna, Akhenaton was strolling along the river admiring the splendors of nature one summer morning when he looked up and saw "a shining disc" descend from the sky. He heard the voice of the Solar Disc itself tell him that he was to build a new capital for Egypt, and give it the name Akhetaton, 'The Horizon of the Solar Disc." During the time of Amenophis IV, Egypt's capital became the City of Akhetaton. The ideographic symbol for the word "horizon" was a disc floating over a mountain range. Akhenaton also founded a new religion based on the worship of the Solar Disc, thus assuring his immortality in our history books as the most powerful heretic of ancient Egypt."

Why would an advanced civilization from a different planet instruct a lower-life form to build a new capital city devoted to its spacecraft, leading to a new religion to be founded?
 Quoting: Gestas


I believe they are us. Humans from the future, time travellers. Don't interact so not to cause a paradox.
They will when the time is right. When they are meant to, like their history tells them. Not before.
 Quoting: UK 78507075


Let's say traveling to the past is possible. And let's also say that these "aliens" and "UFOs" are just visitors from the future.

The problem is their very presence would cause reverberations into the future. Their presence would cause disturbances in matter and energy which would change the future. What's more, these beings do interact with us all the time. There have been multitudes of sightings and close-encounters for thousands of years. But these interactions are sporadic, never make any sense, and are sometimes malicious. Other times, these beings try to get us to worship them or try to get us to do things that are contrary to the teachings from the Bible.

Therefore, I don't think they are time-travelers.
 Quoting: Gestas


From the book that teaches you how to "treat" a SLAVE, that is not a BAD thing is it???


NOT TO THE BOMBING "LOVING CHRISTIANS" HYPOCRITES....
 Quoting: The5DRaver


Slavery was everywhere in the ancient middle east.

But the slavery talked about in the old testament in ancient Israel is called indentured servitude. It's different from chattel slavery. Indentured servitude allowed people to pay off debts through work. Some of the laws in the old testament protected these kinds of people (i.e. slaves). What's wrong with that?
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I believe they are us. Humans from the future, time travellers. Don't interact so not to cause a paradox.
They will when the time is right. When they are meant to, like their history tells them. Not before.
 Quoting: UK 78507075


Let's say traveling to the past is possible. And let's also say that these "aliens" and "UFOs" are just visitors from the future.

The problem is their very presence would cause reverberations into the future. Their presence would cause disturbances in matter and energy which would change the future. What's more, these beings do interact with us all the time. There have been multitudes of sightings and close-encounters for thousands of years. But these interactions are sporadic, never make any sense, and are sometimes malicious. Other times, these beings try to get us to worship them or try to get us to do things that are contrary to the teachings from the Bible.

Therefore, I don't think they are time-travelers.
 Quoting: Gestas


From the book that teaches you how to "treat" a SLAVE, that is not a BAD thing is it???


NOT TO THE BOMBING "LOVING CHRISTIANS" HYPOCRITES....
 Quoting: The5DRaver


Slavery was everywhere in the ancient middle east.

But the slavery talked about in the old testament in ancient Israel is called indentured servitude. It's different from chattel slavery. Indentured servitude allowed people to pay off debts through work. Some of the laws in the old testament protected these kinds of people (i.e. slaves). What's wrong with that?
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Slavery is SLAVERY. PERIOD.

I know you don't find it wrong!

You LOVE the "bible".

WHEN ARE YOU BOMBING HYPOCRITES GONNA STOP BOMBING "LOVE THY NEIGHBOURS" THEN???

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Extraterrestrial societies have NO DEBT.

It is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT BROUGHT US HERE:

"BIBLE" (SLAVE OWNERS) MENTALITY.
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Slavery is SLAVERY. PERIOD.
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No it's not. For example, the US had chattel slavery where people were treated as property.

Indentured servitude is when you pay off a debt through work.
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Slavery is SLAVERY. PERIOD.
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No it's not. For example, the US had chattel slavery where people were treated as property.

Indentured servitude is when you pay off a debt through work.
 Quoting: Gestas


WHOSE's "debt"??

You have NO IDEA of how ADVANCED EXTRATERRESTRIALS ARE.
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Slavery is SLAVERY. PERIOD.
 Quoting: The5DRaver


No it's not. For example, the US had chattel slavery where people were treated as property.

Indentured servitude is when you pay off a debt through work.
 Quoting: Gestas


WHOSE's "debt"??

You have NO IDEA of how ADVANCED EXTRATERRESTRIALS ARE.
 Quoting: The5DRaver


To give an example: let's say I accidentally killed some of your cattle or damaged your property. How would I reimburse you if I didn't have money? In ancient Israel, one could become an indentured servant and work off the debt.
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Slavery is SLAVERY. PERIOD.
 Quoting: The5DRaver


No it's not. For example, the US had chattel slavery where people were treated as property.

Indentured servitude is when you pay off a debt through work.
 Quoting: Gestas


WHOSE's "debt"??

You have NO IDEA of how ADVANCED EXTRATERRESTRIALS ARE.
 Quoting: The5DRaver


To give an example: let's say I accidentally killed some of your cattle or damaged your property. How would I reimburse you if I didn't have money? In ancient Israel, one could become an indentured servant and work off the debt.
 Quoting: Gestas


WHO "gave" you that "property"??

SEE?

BRAINWASHED BY THE "BIBLE".
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Yes, they really are. Said not by an opinion , but from an experiencer of them.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light!
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Yes, they really are. Said not by an opinion , but from an experiencer of them.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


If you dressed up like a cow, got on all fours, and then walked into a herd of cattle, then 99% of them would be fooled. Yet, in reality, you'd still be a human being.

The gap in knowledge, intellect, and power between man and angels (or demons) is at least as wide as the gap between ants and man.

You've been fooled.

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