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What will do greater damage- the virus or our response to the virus?

 
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Will they destroy the lives of millions

to save the lives of some?
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Will they destroy the lives of millions

to save the lives of some?
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Just wait until they really do deliberately release s fatal pandemic virus...
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Do you believe that shutting our society down Again is the proper response to this virus?

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Our Insidious New Normal

This kind of life cannot be allowed to last. Our liberty and livelihoods depend on it.
By Josiah Lippincott • July 14, 2020



"...Will there be classes in the fall? Sports? Parties? No idea. Life is on pause. Aimlessness replaces activity.

Canceled sports seasons, weddings, and trips. Lost jobs, wages, and opportunities. Lonely deaths and Zoom funerals. Americans across the country are suffering from the draconian and interminable response to Coronavirus. And yet for millions, the virus exists only as a graph on the nightly news.

For them, the pandemic is an abstraction. The response is not."


"...At present, the country is in limbo. When does all this end? When we have a vaccine? When there are zero deaths? If so, this “pandemic” could last for years.

Already, elementary, high school, and college campuses across the country are refusing to fully reopen in the fall. Those that will are requiring draconian restrictions on the movement and behavior of their students. None of these policies are grounded in science. Few, if any, have been put to a vote.

Everyday people suffer regardless. Our “new normal” is an abomination. It is fundamentally anti-social, inhuman, and imposed without our consent. It warehouses the elderly and enervates the young. It wrecks romance, instills fear, and alienates communities. This kind of life isn’t new and it isn’t normal. We had a name for it in the past: tyranny. It cannot be allowed to last. Our liberty and livelihoods depend on it."


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It will take most of you much longer to arrive at the exact same conclusion.

They are hyping and using this virus threat for completely other purposes.

The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.

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"It Reeks Of Orwell" - The COVID Coup (& How To Unlock Ourselves)

Authored by Angelo Codevilla via AmericanMind.org,

Panicked by fears manufactured by the ruling class, the American people assented to being put essentially under house arrest until further notice, effectively suspending the habits, preferences, and liberties that had defined our way of life. Most Americans have suffered economic damage. Many who do not enjoy protected status have had careers ended and been reduced to penury. Social strains and suicides multiplied. Forcibly deferring all manner of medical care is sure to impose needless suffering and death. In sum, the lockdowns’ medical and economic dysfunctions make for multiples of the deaths and miseries of the COVID-19 virus itself.

Bad judgments and usurpations—the scam, not the germs—define this disaster’s dimensions. The COVID-19’s devastating effect on the U.S. body politic is analogous to what diseases do to persons whom age (senectus ipsa est morbus) and various debilities and corruptions had already placed on death’s slippery slope.

Outside of the few who have gained (and are still gaining) power and wealth from the panic, Americans are asking what it will take to end this outrage—not to modify it with any “new normal” decided by who knows whom, on who knows what authority. Since no one in authority is leading those who want to end it, Americans also wonder who may lead that cause. What follows suggests answers.

What history will record as the great COVID scam of 2020 is based on 1) a set of untruths and baseless assertions—often outright lies—about the novel coronavirus and its effects; 2) the production and maintenance of physical fear through a near-monopoly of communications to forestall challenges to the U.S.. ruling class, led by the Democratic Party, 3) defaulted opposition on the part of most Republicans, thus confirming their status as the ruling class’s junior partner. No default has been greater than that of America’s Christian churches—supposedly society’s guardians of truth.

Truth

Since obfuscation, pretense, and lies concerning the COVID-19 are the effective agents of the panic and of the seizure of arbitrary power, truth and clarity about it are the foundational requirements for escaping its effects. Here is a dose.

From early March 2020 on, the best-known authorities on epidemics—the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control—presented the COVID-19 respiratory disease to the Western world as a danger equivalent to the plague. But China’s experience, which its government obfuscated, had already shown that the COVID-19 virus is much less like the plague and more like the flu. All that has happened since followed from falsifying this basic truth.

Our “best and brightest,” at first having minimized fears of person-to person contagion during January and February, during which the disease spread from China to the West, then declared that the virus is unusually contagious, and posited—on zero factual basis—that it would kill up to one in twenty persons it infected—5% infection/fatality rate (IFR). Based on that imagined fatality rate, they adopted mathematical models from Britain and the University of Washington that predicted that up to two million Americans would die of it..."


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The agenda of course.

The virus is just another nothing burger flu.
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From "Corona-Totalitarianism" To The Invasion Of The "New Normals"


"...People’s minds are being taken over by a much more destructive and less otherworldly force... a force that transforms them overnight into aggressively paranoid, order-following, propaganda-parroting totalitarians.

You know the people I’m talking about. Some of them are probably your friends and family, people you have known for years, and who had always seemed completely rational, but who are now convinced that we need to radically alter the fabric of human society to protect ourselves from a virus that causes mild to moderate flu-like symptoms (or absolutely no symptoms at all) in over 95% of those infected, and that over 99.6% survive, which, it goes without saying, is totally insane.

I’ve been calling them “corona-totalitarians,” but I’m going to call them the “New Normals” from now on, as that more accurately evokes the pathologized-totalitarian ideology they are systematically spreading. At this point, I think it is important to do that, because, clearly, their ideological program has nothing to do with any actual virus, or any other actual public health threat. As is glaringly obvious to anyone whose mind has not been taken over yet, the “apocalyptic coronavirus pandemic” was always just a Trojan horse, a means of introducing the “New Normal,” which they’ve been doing since the very beginning.

The official propaganda started in March, and it reached full intensity in early April. Suddenly, references to the “New Normal” were everywhere, not only in the leading corporate media (e.g., CNN, NPR, CNBC, The New York Times, The Guardian, The Atlantic, Forbes, et al.), the IMF and the World Bank Group, the WEF, UN, WHO, CDC (and the list goes on), but also on the blogs of athletic organizations, global management consulting firms, charter school websites, and random YouTube videos.

The slogan has been relentlessly repeated (in a textbook totalitarian “big lie” fashion) for going on the past six months. We have heard it repeated so many times that many of us have forgotten how insane it is, the idea that the fundamental structure of society needs to be drastically and irrevocably altered on account of a virus that poses no threat to the vast majority of the human species..."


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"who are now convinced that we need to radically alter the fabric of human society to protect ourselves from a virus that causes mild to moderate flu-like symptoms (or absolutely no symptoms at all) in over 95% of those infected, and that over 99.6% survive, which, it goes without saying, is totally insane."

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It will take most of you much longer to arrive at the exact same conclusion.

They are hyping and using this virus threat for completely other purposes.

The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.



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We are all fucked.

There is no conferred immunity to corona virus which means that you can be re-infected at any time. Ordinarily, this is not a problem since we have had probably a couple million years to adapt our DNA to survival of the common cold but due to its synthetic nature this particular corona virus is moving too fast for us to ever construct a genetic resistance to it.

The handful of survivors (due to a mutation of one sort or another; unknown) will most likely not be geographically close enough to have contact. Even if they manage to find one another this would also be a 'game of survival' as most of the deadly human obstacles will not be resolved either.

These include Nuclear Power Plants (NPPs) that are not shut down, there will be a lack of medical care as well, no ability to survive in a non-domestic situation since most of humanity has no experience with something as simple as starting a fire without a zippo lighter or aim and flame, or the pragmatic experience of growing food, herbal remedies etc).

Reinfection alone is not the whole issue. The issue is that once you get the virus the first time you become a 'shedder'...you need to break down the virus into its component parts and then look at them functioning together to understand the whole of it.

The first component part is the virus' packaging.
The SARS virus.

As a corona virus, it is highly mutagenic which is why there is no 'vaccine' nor any hope of developing one. Those protein keys that sit on the outside are in an evolutionary dance with the body for the 'key' shape that is correct. One of the most telling things they said early on - and the reason why we know that this is a bioweapon - is because of a slip-up one of the researchers said while examining it.
He said, "It is a bioweapon because there is no change in the outer shell of the virus (SARS), while there is splicing happening on he interior---the HIV (retrovirus)/TB (fungal) additions)."

So, it's totally impossible. Any naturally occurring alteration would have altered the SARS glycoprotein exterior as well. It is a bioweapon. Now, the keys (glycoproteins) that are part of the outer shell are actually bacteriophages which is why their is nothing that we can do to stop it. So, basically all of the bacteriophage diseases (coronavirus) are like a colony of bacteriophages that are a super-organism.

Bacteriophages were never meant to be wielded against a higher life form because we have no real defense against them reproductively. A bacteria, which may have 100+ generations in a day is moving at the proper reproductive rate to be in an evolutionary dance with a bacteriophage.
Bacteriophages always acted as a single entity and always had a specific target bacteria. They are the single largest killer of life on the planet every day. For example, each day all of the different bacteriophages kill 40% of all bacteria life in the ocean.

They have a target bacteria that they are 'in a dance with' and their evolutionary shifting function is something that may be altered daily or weekly so that the protein keys work...the bacteria, on the other hand is rapidly modifying its own 'key' receptors so that the bacteriophage will not have access to its cells.

So, these supra-organisms of bacteriophage colonies are all highly advanced billions of years old machines for controlling an overabundance of bacterial life. They are the antithesis to life. Literally.

This is how versatile they are...they started to blame the testing kits; saying 10% of the testing kits returned a false result...but that is wrong...the bacteriophages no longer had the protein keys they were looking for with the testing kits because they had mutated beyond them.
This is how fast this thing is advancing.

So they decided to start looking for the TB aspect in the lungs as well as using the testing kits to screen the [declining] number of people who will have the original glycoprotein signature. I guess they do not want to admit how totally outclassed they are by the virus that it is capable of out maneuvering their ability to even test for it consistently let alone DO ANYTHING about it.
Ok, so, this would be bad enough if this was the only issue (this is what SARS basically is). It is not the only issue though.

The HIV aspect:

The insertion from the HIV enables the supra organism of the SARS bacteriophage to rewrite the RNA of its target so that it produces or sheds billions of copies of itself (this is why these fit so nicely together because this (to a lesser extent) would have been something the bacteriophage would have done naturally anyway but they dovetailed the HIV in there to allow it to reproduce the supra organism COVID rather than just the smaller macrophage. The R0 factor on this is off the charts, and this is where the Wave comes in.

Patient 0 (they STILL will not divulge who it was) was actively shedding this by the billions for
two weeks when they first entered the Wuhan market. I need to digress for a moment to the bacteriophage:
The reason you can be an active and asymptomatic 'shedder' is because it takes a lot longer to kill an entire collective symbiotic system of cells than it takes a bacteriophage to kill one bacteria.

So...IF ONE of the COVID 'virus' enters your system and attaches to an ACE2 receptor it will commandeer that cell and begin manufacturing the COVID virus andfrom that point forwards you are the walking dead.
Essentially you are ASYMPTOMATIC while you are shedding virus because it is killing you as slowly as possible while you, as a Supra organism yourself, have no idea you are even ill because the body experiences many millions of cell deaths everyday and this is not an unusual state for the body.

This is why there is latency (slower death) when you have fewer ACE2 receptors. Because an abundance of ACE2 receptors means that more COVID catches hold and reproduces faster, NOT THAT is doesn't catch hold in someone with fewer receptors but rather it simply takes longer for it to overwhelm the host body.
This is not a 'positive' but rather a 'negative' since there will be no indication to either you or anyone else that you are shedding the virus for a month or more while your body is being gradually overthrown.
I am guesstimating - based on what I witnessed in Wuhan - that each person sheds BILLIONS and BILLIONS of COVID viruses into the environment as it is USING ALL THE RESOURCES of the human body in non-stop production of itself.

Bacteria have limited motility and they cannot 'move about' in the same way a Supra organism like a human being can; so to the COVID virus you are like an airplane that will takes its COVID 'passengers' to new and interesting places...i.e. spreading the infection).

When the body has COVID and 'dies' from it, that is when it is at PEAK production and replicating it inside the body...there is literally no more room or resources (hormones and proteins the functional chemistry of the human body and required for continuation of life) for anything other than COVID replication.

This is why they were trying to use SO2 to 'disinfect the air' in Wuhan. Sulfur is a killer of fungi. Mycobacteria (TB, leprosy etc) are all fungi of a special class (myco means fungi).

So, again the genetic breakdown that we know thus far is 88% SARS, 2% HIV and 10% TB that utilized synthetic biology to assemble.

The aspects of SARS that made it 'not very good at killing' were all modified to produce something with ENHANCED ability to kill. Where SARS was weak, HIV and TB were both strong. By splicing the HIV and TB into the SARS virus, they enhanced it to an ELE status.
When someone realized they were not having any effect killing the airborne COVID virus, they stopped with the mass poisoning of Wuhan using SO2.
There were a lot of rumors concerning the mass burning of bodies of the dead causing the spike in
SO2 but the human body doesn't have enough SO2 in it to account for the levels of SO2 that Wuhan was exhibiting.
Hence...Waves.

These are only a matter of mathematical functions since the RNA of COVID is not 'alive' in any sense of the word what we are concerned about it reproduction success in distribution functions. Let's say that there are (or, were, last I checked which was 1 week ago - in 'viral time' an eternity) 24 mutations of the original bioweapon.

But let's say that Version 5 was the most successful...reproducing 80% of the time.
There is no conferred immunity because of the nature of the highly-mutagenic key nature of bacteriophages. So, if a particular key is successful in gaining entry for reproduction, then the next wave of infection would be the mutation that enjoyed the highest reproductive success.
Also, keep in mind that since every infected human now sheds the virus continuously until they die, they are living with a compromised immune system. Meaning that much of their DNA/RNA is not given over to their own needs but rather to the parasitic functions of reproducing the virus. So 'recovery' in the classic sense of conferred immunity is impossible.

The HIV insertions have allowed COVID to co-op the functions that it used to be responsible for.
Therefore, for the rest of your life, you will shed the virus that you were infected with.
However, with part of your body becoming non-functional in terms of hormones and proteins it will be lacking the materials and resources needed for its OWN reproduction and function since those have been co-opted for viral reproduction. Wicked stuff.

Note carefully - The 2nd WAVE is going to cause massive failure in whichever systems the nCov has targeted inside your body.

ACE2 receptors are found in the heart, lungs, mucous membranes, testes (and probably ovum; leading to infertility), kidneys and liver...etc, etc. When the 2nd Wave mutation hits people there are no more proteins and hormones that will allow organs to function...and they simply cease working. Remember how people are simply dropping dead in their tracks. I know that the Doctor said that it 'was the medicine'...but it is not. It is a product of having your body turned over to a Bioweapon to manufacture ITSELF. You become a walking bioweapon factory for the COVID virus

We have absolutely no idea what the long term ramification are for 'survivors' of the virus since we know nothing about what having RNA co-opted over months and years (lifetime) will lead to...for example a goiter is a lack of iodine in the human body...but what if iodine was an integral component of viral production? It would take all the resources for itself and leave the body bereft of iodine (and I am just using this as an off the cuff example
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Do we want to do greater damage to ourselves

or to see that as little damage as possible is done to us?


Does someone want to do the most damage possible to us

or to see that as little damage as possible is done to us?


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We can shut down the economy in a month.

The economy cannot be resumed in a month.

The damage will be staggering...
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It will take most of you much longer to arrive at the exact same conclusion.

They are hyping and using this virus threat for completely other purposes.

The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.
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Do you believe that shutting our society down is the proper response to this virus?
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Will they destroy the lives of millions

to save the lives of some?
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It will take most of you much longer to arrive at the exact same conclusion.

They are hyping and using this virus threat for completely other purposes.

The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.

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The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.
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The lockdowns in Democrat run states are absolutely ruining the lives of so many people - Far more than the damage that would be caused by the China Virus. Cases in California have risen despite the lockdown, yet Florida & others are open & doing well. Common sense please!
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Does someone want to do the most damage possible to us

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Our Insidious New Normal

This kind of life cannot be allowed to last. Our liberty and livelihoods depend on it.
By Josiah Lippincott • July 14, 2020



"...Will there be classes in the fall? Sports? Parties? No idea. Life is on pause. Aimlessness replaces activity.

Canceled sports seasons, weddings, and trips. Lost jobs, wages, and opportunities. Lonely deaths and Zoom funerals. Americans across the country are suffering from the draconian and interminable response to Coronavirus. And yet for millions, the virus exists only as a graph on the nightly news.

For them, the pandemic is an abstraction. The response is not."


"...At present, the country is in limbo. When does all this end? When we have a vaccine? When there are zero deaths? If so, this “pandemic” could last for years.

Already, elementary, high school, and college campuses across the country are refusing to fully reopen in the fall. Those that will are requiring draconian restrictions on the movement and behavior of their students. None of these policies are grounded in science. Few, if any, have been put to a vote.

Everyday people suffer regardless. Our “new normal” is an abomination. It is fundamentally anti-social, inhuman, and imposed without our consent. It warehouses the elderly and enervates the young. It wrecks romance, instills fear, and alienates communities. This kind of life isn’t new and it isn’t normal. We had a name for it in the past: tyranny. It cannot be allowed to last. Our liberty and livelihoods depend on it."


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What will do greater damage- the virus or our response to the virus?
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It will take most of you much longer to arrive at the exact same conclusion.

They are hyping and using this virus threat for completely other purposes.

The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.

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Shut down the world for a flu.

Destroy the world's economies with the shutdown.

Demand everyone be injected with their injection.

Get the shot get the shot get the shot you must get the shot.

What will do greater damage - the virus or the response to the virus?

The virus has done little more than the flu.

Everything else has been the propaganda.
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It will take most of you much longer to arrive at the exact same conclusion.

They are hyping and using this virus threat for completely other purposes.

The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.
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Shut down the world for a flu.

Destroy the world's economies with the shutdown.

Demand everyone be injected with their injection.

Get the shot get the shot get the shot you must get the shot.

What will do greater damage - the virus or the response to the virus?

The virus has done little more than the flu.

Everything else has been the propaganda.
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The virus was the excuse to use for the intended response.
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The Virus is not the threat.

THEY ARE.



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