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Scenario - it is four weeks into the future. Hospitals are full of severe case ARDS Chinese Virus patients. You, being prepared had food for several weeks but unfortunately your neighbor didn’t and when they came up to ask for sugar contaminated your doorhandle or something. You aren’t sure. All you know is you are presenting now well documented Symptoms and are progressing to the pneumonia stage. Past this is ARDS. Reluctantly you find yourself at the hospital but are turned away.

What can you do?

When a sailor drowned, for hundreds of years they used a method of rolling them face down over a barrel to expel the water. A more modern method is something called “Postural drainage.”

You can do this on yourself, others, babies, adults and the like. It can be done for 20 to 40 mins a day to help expel fluid and detritus from the lungs. It can be done early phase to help prevent it from progressing further by reducing inflammation.

Print this out and maybe save a life.

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who woulda thought thanks Einstein. Cardio does this too.
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If you get ARDS and aren't in the hospital (typically ICU) getting oxygen, you're going to die. You have about a 40% of dying even in an ICU with ventilator support.

The fluid is in the interstitial spaces not the airways as in a drowning. Airways can remain wide open but no gas exchange takes place.
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This is totally contrary to what everyone states, from health providers on the take, to legit doctors invested in healing.

Not saying that there isn't fluid in interstitial spaces, but there is unquestionably volumes of mucous within the airways, at all scales of the fractal branching.
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Great thread. This is also good for COPD patients.
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If you get ARDS and aren't in the hospital (typically ICU) getting oxygen, you're going to die. You have about a 40% of dying even in an ICU with ventilator support.

The fluid is in the interstitial spaces not the airways as in a drowning. Airways can remain wide open but no gas exchange takes place.
 Quoting: EVronsky


This is totally contrary to what everyone states, from health providers on the take, to legit doctors invested in healing.

Not saying that there isn't fluid in interstitial spaces, but there is unquestionably volumes of mucous within the airways, at all scales of the fractal branching.
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Y'all gonna make me google gas exchange.

So we have Mucus which is preventing air from reaching the alveoli

Fluid in the interstitial spaces somehow inhibiting gas exchange

And fluid in the thoracic cavity compressing the lung.

What are we dealing with because each of these require a different approach.
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If you get ARDS and aren't in the hospital (typically ICU) getting oxygen, you're going to die. You have about a 40% of dying even in an ICU with ventilator support.

The fluid is in the interstitial spaces not the airways as in a drowning. Airways can remain wide open but no gas exchange takes place.
 Quoting: EVronsky


This is totally contrary to what everyone states, from health providers on the take, to legit doctors invested in healing.

Not saying that there isn't fluid in interstitial spaces, but there is unquestionably volumes of mucous within the airways, at all scales of the fractal branching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66594553


Y'all gonna make me google gas exchange.

So we have Mucus which is preventing air from reaching the alveoli

Fluid in the interstitial spaces somehow inhibiting gas exchange

And fluid in the thoracic cavity compressing the lung.

What are we dealing with because each of these require a different approach.
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And also sepsis by secondary infection due to over expression of immune cells flooding and damaging the lung cells themselves.
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BEST THREAD OF THE DAY !! YOU ARE THE WINNER !! THANKS
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Thanks op!

And or snort (through nose) warm sea salt with water...

Cleans all of your sinus's

Any time thru the years I have had flu's that last forever...

Worked every time!
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Thanks for the info.
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If you get ARDS and aren't in the hospital (typically ICU) getting oxygen, you're going to die. You have about a 40% of dying even in an ICU with ventilator support.

The fluid is in the interstitial spaces not the airways as in a drowning. Airways can remain wide open but no gas exchange takes place.
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And it drains from there into the breathing tubes...until such a time of upcoming death...and it still moves there.. but the aveoli become clogged near the time of death.. and don't remove it.
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What are we dealing with because each of these require a different approach.
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Exactly! Just found out there are different causes.
"Bronchodilator" search.

Anyways, thnx OP!
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Didn’t sign into my account because I am lazy but my main posting acct is the same as my “anonymous” handle.
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I just take Mucinex.
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Nope, this virus virus fills your lungs with a tar like mucus.

If you get it real bad? you're done period.
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Scenario - it is four weeks into the future. Hospitals are full of severe case ARDS Chinese Virus patients. You, being prepared had food for several weeks but unfortunately your neighbor didn’t and when they came up to ask for sugar contaminated your doorhandle or something. You aren’t sure. All you know is you are presenting now well documented Symptoms and are progressing to the pneumonia stage. Past this is ARDS. Reluctantly you find yourself at the hospital but are turned away.

What can you do?

When a sailor drowned, for hundreds of years they used a method of rolling them face down over a barrel to expel the water. A more modern method is something called “Postural drainage.”

You can do this on yourself, others, babies, adults and the like. It can be done for 20 to 40 mins a day to help expel fluid and detritus from the lungs. It can be done early phase to help prevent it from progressing further by reducing inflammation.

Print this out and maybe save a life.

[link to www.cff.org (secure)]
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I'm going to need a Supermodel to help me with that. ohyeah
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Great work Op!

This is the kind of info we need. Gotta keep our GLP family alive, except for those posting from Australia.
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Nope, this virus virus fills your lungs with a tar like mucus.

If you get it real bad? you're done period.
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So we can modulate the viscosity of mucal secretions by virtue of expectorants.
Which thin the mucus. Where possible the patient must be able to expectorate..thus clearing fluid from the lungs. An immobile patient given expectorants will be unable to clear their lungs resulting in drowning.

I haven't read anything that addresses any of this.

Cause of death Viral pneumonia...really?
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Thanks!

I'll study that.

Saved the PDF version in my running COVID-19 file.
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I have allergies which induce asthma. Sleeping on my stomach or side helps, but I usually am very congested upon waking up often with shortness of breath. I beat on my upper back and chest, then lean forward with my head below my chest, then cough. After a few times doing that, congestion gone and breathing normally restored.

It works.
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We use a yoga ball in our house. We use it for stomach aches. Lay on the ball face down..have someone grab your ankles and carfully roll the person and forth.
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Nope, this virus virus fills your lungs with a tar like mucus.

If you get it real bad? you're done period.
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So we can modulate the viscosity of mucal secretions by virtue of expectorants.
Which thin the mucus. Where possible the patient must be able to expectorate..thus clearing fluid from the lungs. An immobile patient given expectorants will be unable to clear their lungs resulting in drowning.

I haven't read anything that addresses any of this.

Cause of death Viral pneumonia...really?
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I cannot find any links to pleneural fluid in this .

What's the difference between fluid from a cytokine storm and mucus?
Mucus occurs naturally to keep impurities and irritants out of the lungs..cytokine storm is an overactive immune response resulting in a flood of immune cells that destroy the integrity of the cell wall membrane flooding the lungs.
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JUST my understanding of this whole mess.

SEPSIS / CYTOKINE STORM is a fluid build-up OUTSIDE the aveoli. The body floods the area with white cells to fight off a perceived infection it has not identified yet. No gas exchange can occur as the white cells deny red cells access to the aveoli walls.

This is what killed many during the Spanish flu 100+ years ago. The other "KILLER" was giving victims ASPIRIN which knocked the fevere down ... the ONLY thing the body has to slow viral replication until it IDs and then starts producing antigen specific antibodies for the new virus.

Cystic Fibrosis produces a gummy mucus buildup IN the lungs, the aveoli, the broncs etc and blocks air passages. I've had several friends whose kids had CF. Twice a day, sometimes thrice, after their meds they would lie on either an inversion table, their bed or the armrest of a couch - knees and chest on the couch and the rest draped over the arm-rest with their heads near the floor. On top of the position all the ones I knew had a THUMPER® type massager and they'd get their backs and sides thumped to hell and all that GUCK would make its way via gravity, helped by the thumping, out of their noses / mouths.

Grumpier mentioned using speakers tuned to low freq. sound cycles so I'm sure that works too.

That technique and their meds let many CF patients live almost normal lives.

As the CoVid produces large quantities of gunk IN the lungs also I would recommend this for anybody who can't get in to a hospital for a ventilator.

One other thing I've read is taking a few deep breaths of vaporized HYDROGEN PEROXIDE from a nebulizer or humidifyer. Not sure how effective this is but I have watched micrographs of various viruses being exposed to hydrogen peroxide and it doesn't go well for the bug!!

My 2¢
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I have allergies which induce asthma. Sleeping on my stomach or side helps, but I usually am very congested upon waking up often with shortness of breath. I beat on my upper back and chest, then lean forward with my head below my chest, then cough. After a few times doing that, congestion gone and breathing normally restored.

It works.
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Wow...

I always thought sleeping on your back was best. To allow for best breathing..
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JUST my understanding of this whole mess.

SEPSIS / CYTOKINE STORM is a fluid build-up OUTSIDE the aveoli. The body floods the area with white cells to fight off a perceived infection it has not identified yet. No gas exchange can occur as the white cells deny red cells access to the aveoli walls.

This is what killed many during the Spanish flu 100+ years ago. The other "KILLER" was giving victims ASPIRIN which knocked the fevere down ... the ONLY thing the body has to slow viral replication until it IDs and then starts producing antigen specific antibodies for the new virus.

Cystic Fibrosis produces a gummy mucus buildup IN the lungs, the aveoli, the broncs etc and blocks air passages. I've had several friends whose kids had CF. Twice a day, sometimes thrice, after their meds they would lie on either an inversion table, their bed or the armrest of a couch - knees and chest on the couch and the rest draped over the arm-rest with their heads near the floor. On top of the position all the ones I knew had a THUMPER® type massager and they'd get their backs and sides thumped to hell and all that GUCK would make its way via gravity, helped by the thumping, out of their noses / mouths.

Grumpier mentioned using speakers tuned to low freq. sound cycles so I'm sure that works too.

That technique and their meds let many CF patients live almost normal lives.

As the CoVid produces large quantities of gunk IN the lungs also I would recommend this for anybody who can't get in to a hospital for a ventilator.

One other thing I've read is taking a few deep breaths of vaporized HYDROGEN PEROXIDE from a nebulizer or humidifyer. Not sure how effective this is but I have watched micrographs of various viruses being exposed to hydrogen peroxide and it doesn't go well for the bug!!

My 2¢
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Sounds good..

In a humidifier water is turned into a vapor by boiling (warm mist)
Salt is left and H2O evaporates as in the ocean and desalination resulting in fresh water by separating the NaCl and the H2O.

Cool mist is by ultrasonic vibration ..sounds better and better.
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JUST my understanding of this whole mess.

SEPSIS / CYTOKINE STORM is a fluid build-up OUTSIDE the aveoli. The body floods the area with white cells to fight off a perceived infection it has not identified yet. No gas exchange can occur as the white cells deny red cells access to the aveoli walls.

This is what killed many during the Spanish flu 100+ years ago. The other "KILLER" was giving victims ASPIRIN which knocked the fevere down ... the ONLY thing the body has to slow viral replication until it IDs and then starts producing antigen specific antibodies for the new virus.

Cystic Fibrosis produces a gummy mucus buildup IN the lungs, the aveoli, the broncs etc and blocks air passages. I've had several friends whose kids had CF. Twice a day, sometimes thrice, after their meds they would lie on either an inversion table, their bed or the armrest of a couch - knees and chest on the couch and the rest draped over the arm-rest with their heads near the floor. On top of the position all the ones I knew had a THUMPER® type massager and they'd get their backs and sides thumped to hell and all that GUCK would make its way via gravity, helped by the thumping, out of their noses / mouths.

Grumpier mentioned using speakers tuned to low freq. sound cycles so I'm sure that works too.

That technique and their meds let many CF patients live almost normal lives.

As the CoVid produces large quantities of gunk IN the lungs also I would recommend this for anybody who can't get in to a hospital for a ventilator.

One other thing I've read is taking a few deep breaths of vaporized HYDROGEN PEROXIDE from a nebulizer or humidifyer. Not sure how effective this is but I have watched micrographs of various viruses being exposed to hydrogen peroxide and it doesn't go well for the bug!!

My 2¢
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Sounds good..

In a humidifier water is turned into a vapor by boiling (warm mist)
Salt is left and H2O evaporates as in the ocean and desalination resulting in fresh water by separating the NaCl and the H2O.

Cool mist is by ultrasonic vibration ..sounds better and better.
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Sounds effective before its progressed into a systemic infection.
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If it presents in blood or urine is has progressed to be systemic disease..
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Bumping to follow!

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Interesting. I heard this so bought a massage table with the hole for your face already in it (they have them under $100 on Amazon).

Also, instead of barrels maybe those large exercise balls would work?
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This is good to know, thank you!

I want to add that we have a nebulizer at our home and my husband was able to stop the flu in a day by putting colloidal silver in it. I had H1N1 and he started hacking the same as I had been but he was only sick for one day. We think it would work the same with any respiratory virus.
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some real nice Podesta art you posted there,OP

i knew you were one of them when you said 'chinese virus'





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