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BREAKING: Hospital In Chicago Is Considering A Universal DO-NOT-RESUSCITATE Policy For Infected Patients, Regardless Of Patient Wishes..

 
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If you need a wake-up call, here it is: My husband was on a
large conference call of American med school deans last
night. One asked about legal coverage for pulling people off
ventilators to give to others more likely to survive. I.e.,
not being charged with murder. Here we are.

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There is information “out there” about the chances of survival after being on a ventilator. Some of the information is older, so has nothing to do with the “corona virus”. Generally, the elderly do not do very well on a ventilator - many die. Of those who survive the ventilator - many are left with debilitating diseases.
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Yeah so just let them all die by making the decision for them like every other DEMOCRAT who tries to tell me what to do while steering the conversation away from the irrefutable fact that this is RATIONING HEALTHCARE because this ain’t the fucking flu!
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Not surprising considering it’s the home of former mayor Rahm “Never let a good crisis go to waste” Emanuel, who’s brother helped craft Obamacare’s “death panels”.

Sounds a lot like Italy's measures.

From the article:

Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes — how to weigh the “save at all costs” approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the virus’s contagion.

The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment — such as masks, gowns and gloves — may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient “codes,” and their heart or breathing stops.

Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members — a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the one.


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rahm and his brother was my first thought.
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Wow, that's just plain disgusting. Why even go to a hospital at that point?
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I agree. I've argued that point all my life. After studying medicine, I've never understood the attraction of going into a virtual prison.

I'll stay home and save my money for my hairs!
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Sounds a lot like Italy's measures.

From the article:

Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes — how to weigh the “save at all costs” approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the virus’s contagion.

The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment — such as masks, gowns and gloves — may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient “codes,” and their heart or breathing stops.

Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members — a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the one.


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Duh, no duh. Pfft. Liberals, eh. Kill the many to save the few.
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So, they get to decide. Bread cast upon the water.
They're gonna need a bigger boat crematorium.
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The odds are you die if you need invasive resuscitation anyway so...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10414525


So you’re conceding that this is rationing HEALTHCARE and that Trump is wrong to continue to write this off as the flu like he did yesterday during the FOX TOWNHALL?
 Quoting: wYw 76030547


Not about Trump. The ones who say dont listen to him are the ones who listenthe most. ??? Lets talk about head of the hospital and how many are sick and how many ventilators are on site??

Where i live the hospital durector has said come to the hospital. We have plenty of ventilators and we also have some that can be repurposed for this as well. We have also been told by all schools and vocational schools that they are donating all of the medical equipment as well. Nobody is sitting around bashing or approving Trump because they are getting the job done. Must be nice to sit around all day and worry about Trump at chicago's hospitals. I think they need to be contacting elon musk as he is now making and shipping ventilators. There was also a military supply of 500k being transported. Reach out and up. Not look down and stomp.
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The odds are you die if you need invasive resuscitation anyway so...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10414525


So you’re conceding that this is rationing HEALTHCARE and that Trump is wrong to continue to write this off as the flu like he did yesterday during the FOX TOWNHALL?
 Quoting: wYw 76030547


Not about Trump. The ones who say dont listen to him are the ones who listenthe most. ??? Lets talk about head of the hospital and how many are sick and how many ventilators are on site??

Where i live the hospital durector has said come to the hospital. We have plenty of ventilators and we also have some that can be repurposed for this as well. We have also been told by all schools and vocational schools that they are donating all of the medical equipment as well. Nobody is sitting around bashing or approving Trump because they are getting the job done. Must be nice to sit around all day and worry about Trump at chicago's hospitals. I think they need to be contacting elon musk as he is now making and shipping ventilators. There was also a military supply of 500k being transported. Reach out and up. Not look down and stomp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78686451


The same mask shortage blamed on Obama 3 years later

How can we defeat an enemy that we are not even allowed to know the basic facts about to identify what we are truly up against

We need confirmation on some of these rumors we keep hearing from multiple strains with multiple mutations to modified genome splicing of HIV proteins that are aerosolized for 3 fucking hours floating through central air conditioning systems in every building throughout America

This President just compared this to the flu again not even 3 days ago on FOX

The one thing that China had on us was they were already conditioned to wear masks which is what is allowing their cities to GRADUALLY come back online months later after almost a billion people were quarantined

The entire region was conditioned to wear masks with multiple drills to prepare them for this

That substantially slowed down their outbreak allowing China to get out ahead of this where is it’s too late for us

We are literally chasing our fucking tails when this President needed to ground all flights a month ago

Social Distancing is like having a NO SMOKING SECTION on an airplane or a NO PEEING SECTION in a jacuzzi and you’re worried about masks when everyone is going to get it at some point so we need a more efficient treatment than what Dr. Trump prescribed because that won’t work for everybody knowing each one of these multiple strains is different

The link below proves that in spades from accredited Alumni that are board certified doctors discussing how bad these strains are and comparing notes

It’s like Trump is having a competition playing right into Xi’s hands to see who can claim they’re back to maximum operational capacity

China was willing to gnaw off it’s own leg to defeat this virus by turning millions of patients away from the hospitals to self-isolate in their homes and die which allowed beds to stay open for the government puppet masters and their families

Those that would not comply were barricaded in their own homes with entire apartment complexes having their doors welded shut and incinerated to burn this virus out

Even now multiple areas in China are still being quarantined

The experts below say Trump is full of shit and is lying

It’s not a giant conspiracy again at him

It’s against us

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The odds are you die if you need invasive resuscitation anyway so...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10414525


So you’re conceding that this is rationing HEALTHCARE and that Trump is wrong to continue to write this off as the flu like he did yesterday during the FOX TOWNHALL?
 Quoting: wYw 76030547


Not about Trump. The ones who say dont listen to him are the ones who listenthe most. ??? Lets talk about head of the hospital and how many are sick and how many ventilators are on site??

Where i live the hospital durector has said come to the hospital. We have plenty of ventilators and we also have some that can be repurposed for this as well. We have also been told by all schools and vocational schools that they are donating all of the medical equipment as well. Nobody is sitting around bashing or approving Trump because they are getting the job done. Must be nice to sit around all day and worry about Trump at chicago's hospitals. I think they need to be contacting elon musk as he is now making and shipping ventilators. There was also a military supply of 500k being transported. Reach out and up. Not look down and stomp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78686451


The same mask shortage blamed on Obama 3 years later

How can we defeat an enemy that we are not even allowed to know the basic facts about to identify what we are truly up against

We need confirmation on some of these rumors we keep hearing from multiple strains with multiple mutations to modified genome splicing of HIV proteins that are aerosolized for 3 fucking hours floating through central air conditioning systems in every building throughout America

This President just compared this to the flu again not even 3 days ago on FOX

The one thing that China had on us was they were already conditioned to wear masks which is what is allowing their cities to GRADUALLY come back online months later after almost a billion people were quarantined

The entire region was conditioned to wear masks with multiple drills to prepare them for this

That substantially slowed down their outbreak allowing China to get out ahead of this where is it’s too late for us

We are literally chasing our fucking tails when this President needed to ground all flights a month ago

Social Distancing is like having a NO SMOKING SECTION on an airplane or a NO PEEING SECTION in a jacuzzi and you’re worried about masks when everyone is going to get it at some point so we need a more efficient treatment than what Dr. Trump prescribed because that won’t work for everybody knowing each one of these multiple strains is different

The link below proves that in spades from accredited Alumni that are board certified doctors discussing how bad these strains are and comparing notes

It’s like Trump is having a competition playing right into Xi’s hands to see who can claim they’re back to maximum operational capacity

China was willing to gnaw off it’s own leg to defeat this virus by turning millions of patients away from the hospitals to self-isolate in their homes and die which allowed beds to stay open for the government puppet masters and their families

Those that would not comply were barricaded in their own homes with entire apartment complexes having their doors welded shut and incinerated to burn this virus out

Even now multiple areas in China are still being quarantined

The experts below say Trump is full of shit and is lying

It’s not a giant conspiracy again at him

It’s against us

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The odds are you die if you need invasive resuscitation anyway so...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10414525


So you’re conceding that this is rationing HEALTHCARE and that Trump is wrong to continue to write this off as the flu like he did yesterday during the FOX TOWNHALL?
 Quoting: wYw 76030547


Not about Trump. The ones who say dont listen to him are the ones who listenthe most. ??? Lets talk about head of the hospital and how many are sick and how many ventilators are on site??

Where i live the hospital durector has said come to the hospital. We have plenty of ventilators and we also have some that can be repurposed for this as well. We have also been told by all schools and vocational schools that they are donating all of the medical equipment as well. Nobody is sitting around bashing or approving Trump because they are getting the job done. Must be nice to sit around all day and worry about Trump at chicago's hospitals. I think they need to be contacting elon musk as he is now making and shipping ventilators. There was also a military supply of 500k being transported. Reach out and up. Not look down and stomp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78686451


The same mask shortage blamed on Obama 3 years later

How can we defeat an enemy that we are not even allowed to know the basic facts about to identify what we are truly up against

We need confirmation on some of these rumors we keep hearing from multiple strains with multiple mutations to modified genome splicing of HIV proteins that are aerosolized for 3 fucking hours floating through central air conditioning systems in every building throughout America

This President just compared this to the flu again not even 3 days ago on FOX

The one thing that China had on us was they were already conditioned to wear masks which is what is allowing their cities to GRADUALLY come back online months later after almost a billion people were quarantined

The entire region was conditioned to wear masks with multiple drills to prepare them for this

That substantially slowed down their outbreak allowing China to get out ahead of this where is it’s too late for us

We are literally chasing our fucking tails when this President needed to ground all flights a month ago

Social Distancing is like having a NO SMOKING SECTION on an airplane or a NO PEEING SECTION in a jacuzzi and you’re worried about masks when everyone is going to get it at some point so we need a more efficient treatment than what Dr. Trump prescribed because that won’t work for everybody knowing each one of these multiple strains is different

The link below proves that in spades from accredited Alumni that are board certified doctors discussing how bad these strains are and comparing notes

It’s like Trump is having a competition playing right into Xi’s hands to see who can claim they’re back to maximum operational capacity

China was willing to gnaw off it’s own leg to defeat this virus by turning millions of patients away from the hospitals to self-isolate in their homes and die which allowed beds to stay open for the government puppet masters and their families

Those that would not comply were barricaded in their own homes with entire apartment complexes having their doors welded shut and incinerated to burn this virus out

Even now multiple areas in China are still being quarantined

The experts below say Trump is full of shit and is lying

It’s not a giant conspiracy AGAINST him

It’s against us

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