Here is why there WONT be a Rapture.

Nobody's perfect or knows everything.

Do you think you know that it is not true

yet cannot see anything in all these verses?

Then you are blinded

and are not supposed to see.

The origin of Rapture False doctrine: John Darby 1830 AD

Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD. Before it "popped into John Darby's head" no one had ever heard of a secret rapture doctrine.

Look up the definition of the word rapture, it means ecstasy, joy, bliss.

It's probably a bad translation.

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Rapture doctrine is widely believed today, but it did not exist before it "popped" into John Darby's head in 1830 AD. If you believe in the Rapture, you probably wrongly assumed it was a historic Bible doctrine, when in fact it was born in the era of the cults (1830-1880 AD).

2. Rapture doctrine is one of the most recent "new doctrines" in the history of the Church. The only doctrine more recent is the invention of the sinner's prayer for salvation by Billy Sunday in 1930, which was made popular by Billy Graham in 1935.

3. Rapture promoters usually claim to have inspiration, are prophets, apostles, "the Elijah", have special illumination from the Holy Spirit and that God has revealed new doctrines not previously known by anyone, including the apostle Paul himself. They believe in

4. There are two types of false teachers who promote Rapture: "Date setters" like Camping whose DATE is not the rapture but their own self-extinction on the world religious stage... if they are honest. "Date Teasers" like Jack Van Impe are cowards who promote the end as being VERY VERY soon, but never specific, in order to keep the hundreds of millions of dollars flowing.

5. Christians reject the rapture and rely upon the pages of the Bible alone as a sole source of conduct and doctrine

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

Isaiah 28:10

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?

2 Timothy - Chapter 4 explains how Christians can believe a variety of interpretations.

Is there a Rapture?
No Rapture?
I saw a thread yesterday w/a bible teacher claiming there are 3 raptures.

2 Tim;
For the time is coming (now), when people will listen to teachers who suit their personal tastes.. and they will wander off into myths.

The time we are living in.. is awash with deception.
Who will be able to sort thru' the false teachers, false prophets and dreamers?

Where is the TRUTH?
Who in this thread is telling the truth?
They all say they know the truth.
They THINK they know it.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your path.

all you guys think you are telling the truth about the Rapture.

Jesus IS THE TRUTH. Period.

I am just going to trust in HIM and forget about it.

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Luke 21:34-36

Where does the second coming of the Christ become manifest? The Christ comes again, as to Jesus, in the mind and heart of man, when he experiences birth into the consciousness of spiritual things.

Luke 21:34-36

How is the coming of the kingdom concealed from men? By their own surfeiting and drunkenness. That the kingdom of heaven is within man is proved by the fact that his own conduct and habit of thinking alone can conceal it from him.

John 14:1-3

Where and what is the “Father's house”? According to Jesus the Father's house is not a place in the skies, but it is the temple of man's body. “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.” Paul said, “Know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God?” “God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

What is the meaning of the Scripture text, “In my Father's house are many mansions; ... I go to prepare a place for you”? “Many mansions” may be translated as “many abodes.” There is a universal mind essence which science names “the ether.” Mind identifies itself with the ether and first builds thoughts; out of these thoughts it builds things. Jesus was the great builder. He built a mansion, or state of consciousness, into which may enter all people who can identify themselves with him. First this etheric substance enters our body consciousness and then we gradually merge into that state (place) which he has prepared.

Psalms 27:1-6

What metaphysical interpretation of Jehovah is found in the 27th Psalm? Jehovah is understanding (light) and the deliverance (salvation) that understanding brings to man.

What one thing should we ask of Jehovah? The full realization that we are truly sons of God.

You have made it clear that you don't believe in scripture contained within the bible.

Instead, you bring other teachings that are NOT a doctrine of Christ.

This thread is for those who believe that the scripture within the bible is the inspired Word of God.

If you don't believe that and you don't believe the bible contains the Truth of mans purpose and Christ is the fulfillment of that, then you are Anti-Christ.

Unlike most i am open minded and will give this video a chance.

Jesus = Je suis in french = I AM. Christos in greek means anoint with oil, the anointed one.

therefore..
I AM anointed with or i am the anointed one.

Yeshua was a man who 3 wise Magi/Rishis from India/Tibet came and gave him monoatomic gold, myrrh, and frankincense to quickly wake him up and remind him of his spiritual mission, then he spent age 12-30 in India and Tibet in deep spiritual training to become a yogi kundalini master who he then returned and tried to teach to others but he had to use code words or parables and allegories to make it easier to understand for those who were ignorant and to hide it from the currently ruling elite. They found out what he was doing anyway and eventually supposedly murdered him.

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?

Antichrist = People who are stuck in low consciousness not able to understand higher consciousness metaphysical teachings in the parables and allegories in the bible.

“Jesus Christ is the light of my life within me.”

The words of this Scripture apply to the individual soul. The secret place of the Most High is the place of the most high thought, with all its wonderful sweetness and peace. Dwelling in this secret place, we do not come out to meet trouble or distress. We abide, continue under the shadow of the Almighty. We abide in the great almighty Good; and we are protected by it. God is our King, omnipotent forever.

Because of the power of our Ruler he is our strong fortress of safety. But this Ruler is not an outside force; it is all that we know God to be in consciousness, and the knowledge that the inner Lord is also God is the refuge of all mankind. In this refuge no one can trespass upon as, for here we realize that “I and the Father are one.” The little doubts and fears, the forgettings, are snares; we are delivered from them by coming back into the abiding place. The pestilence is anything within the soul that is not clean or true or pure. The moment we are aware of the pestilence we flee to our fortress, where we are above and beyond it, and where nothing evil can touch us. The great creative power shields us always when we come to it. The minute we turn away from the snare the everlasting Love is ready to be our shield and buckler. These defenses are not supposititious things; they are not speculations. They are that which was, which is, and which ever shall be – God – yesterday, today, and forever the same.

We have in us a multitude of thoughts. Some of these thoughts we do not wish to keep. We want our hearts filled with the abiding thoughts. We want to clear out the error. The Psalmist tells us that ten thousand shall fall at our right side and our left, but when we stand fast, true and staunch, with our eyes fixed upon the within, no harm can come to us. The perception of the soul sees the error and clears it out. We know and prove that nothing can hurt us, because we have the knowledge that prevents it.

Angels are ministering thoughts. He who gives his angels charge over us is the Universal Intelligence. His angels protect us. They go into our minds and make our thoughts right. They go into our body consciousness and set it right. They keep us in all our ways. If once in a while we are forgetful of the great Presence there is a prompting thought sent to correct us. That these angels bear us up in their hands we have proved literally. Malice, criticism, and jealousy are roaring lions and stinging adders. When we abide in the consciousness of the Lord God, we have these under our feet and they cannot assail us.

When we love a thing, we have great faith and confidence in it. Because we set our love upon Universal God, he brings us up on high. The high place is the place of knowledge. Even before we call, God answers. The desire to be delivered from personality – the world, the flesh, and the devil – carries with it its own fulfillment. Our God delivers and honors the one who sets his love upon the good. When we come into the kingdom, honor, riches, long life, houses and lands are added to our possessions. They are parts of the kingdom. Because I am, God is; because God is, I am. When we know the real “me”, we know the Father. To know God is life everlasting. Seeking brings the promise to its fulfillment, “With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation.” When we make the Lord our God and make God our Lord, then do we know salvation. No one else can work out salvation for us. It is not right for another to take on him the thing we should do. We must save ourselves. There are ways in which we may go, knowledge which we may attain that makes us sons of God. Attainment to sonship is salvation.

Dan. 3:4-7

Where should our full allegiance be placed? In God, or the highest ideal of Truth that we can grasp. No lesser loyalty should be allowed to supplant this allegiance in our life.

Is expediency in matters of faith ever justifiable? No. Expediency destroys loyalty and sincerity, and no temporary gain in peace and harmony is worth a mental reservation that destroys them.

Do the words of Jesus "He that is not against us is for us" condone a lukewarm allegiance? No. The words are for us to apply to those on whose loyalty we are tempted to pass judgment, or to those whom we would shut out of fellowship with us.

If we hold ourselves to the strictest loyalty to Truth, what should be our requirement of others in this matter? We should leave other persons free to choose whom they will serve. The fiery furnace of condemnation for those with whom we do not agree is a symbol of the cruelty of the sense consciousness.

Dan 3:13-18

In this lesson what represents the human will? Nebchadnezzar ("Nebo the lord of brightness") represents the human will, backing itself up with the human intellect. The combination of these faculties brings about human judgment.

How is human judgment distinguishable from divine judgment? Human judgment is fallible; divine judgment unerring. The latter is justified by events, whereas the former is discredited by them.

Is man's highest loyalty bounded by the limits of his faith? No, it goes beyond even faith. "Our God ... will deliver us out of thy hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image, which thou hast set up."

What is represented by the "golden image"? The golden image represents mammon or the material or worldly thought and belief regarding riches. It represents money, possessions, and wealth, as contrasted with the true inner riches of the mind.

Metaphysically Interpreting Daniel 3:19-30
This realm of mind worships gold, and, unless you accept its commercial customs, it will put you in the fiery furnace of persecution. But if you are true to the Highest and refuse to bow down to this idol of the world, and meet its fiery persecutions with meekness, love, and understanding, you will come out unscathed. The fourth man in the fiery furnace, "like the Son of God," is the realization of your I Am in its unity with God. Then Human Judgment recognizes the power of the true God, who is Spirit, and who reinstates Meekness, Love, and Understanding, with greater power than before.

Dan. 3:13-28

What is the meaning of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? Shadrach is meekness; Meshach, love; Abednego, light

What does Babylon represent? Confusion, mixed thought.

What is it to be taken captive in Babylon? It is to come under the dominion of sense thoughts.

What is the golden image? Mammon.

What is the fiery furnace? The trial by fire. The testing that proves whether one will follow God or Mammon.

Who was the fourth man in the fiery furnace? The consciousness of spiritual I AM.

I am ready.

Sorry I don't do cult roleplaying. I know the brainwashed response you want. If you didn't like my previous response, that's too bad. Christ wanted you to do the work and become just like him, not sit around bowing down and worshipping.

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last trump...in the twinkling of the eye... then its on

Jesus was an Aeon from the Pleroma, as am I.

There is one invisible spirit. He is pure, holy and immaculate. This ineffable one emanated pure, immeasurable light. He is indestructible and eternal.

Jesus reveals Him in the New Testament as the First Aeon and God.

The Spirit drinks in water-light from the power of life. Through the power of thought, he brings forth the feminine emanation of Him. Barbelo (the forethought of all) is His feminine counterpart. Barbelo is the perfect aeon. The Spirit bestowed five powers upon her: image of the invisible spirit, foreknowledge, indestructibility, eternal life and truth.

Pure light radiates between the Spirit and Barbelo. A spark ignites from this light, resulting in yet another pale light. This is the “only begotten child”, named Autogenes, the aeon Christ, the Anointed One. This is how the Gnostic Trinity is born; there is the Father, Mother and Son. Each is a perfect aeon.

Autogenes is androgynous, like his Father and Mother. Despite their masculine and feminine names (Father, Mother), each Perfect aeon is a dyad of gender. Together with his Father, Autogenes produces four more aeons named Harmozel, Oroiael, Daveithai and Eleleth. The four aeons are helpers for Autogenes. Each of the four aeon helpers creates three more aeons. Harmozel emanates Grace, Truth and Form. Oroiael emanates Conception, Perception and Memory. Daveithai emanates Understanding, Love and Idea. Eleleth emanates Perfection, Peace and Wisdom – also named Sophia.

All four light aeons and their three serve Autogenes. These are the original aeons, the angels. In addition, four other beings dwelled with the luminaries (the aeons/angels). Pigera (or Adamas, the perfect being or Cosmic Man) lived with Harmozel. Seth (the son of Adamas) lived with Oroiael. Posterity of Seth (the souls of holy people) lived with Daveithai. Finally, the Souls (those that have yet to attain gnosis) lived with Eleleth.

From the Ennoia/Barbelo/Five-Aeon/Ten-Aeon there emanates a further Divinity, referred to as Autogenes, meaning "Self-Begotten" or "Self-Born". It is described as the "only-begotten one of the Mother-Father" and "of the Father, the pure Light" [Nag Hammadi Library, Apocryphon of John, p.102].

Protophanes in turn generates Autogenes, the Anthropos, the "self-begotten", the "child" (in the Sethian Gnostic sequence Father-Mother-Child, Kalyptos would represent the Father, Protophanes the Mother, and Autogenes the Child), the principle of Life. Each level down becomes more accessible, more religious or soteriological (conferring salvation). So in Christianised Sethian Gnostic texts like the Apocryphon of John, Autogenes is specifically identified with "the Great Christ", the Savior figure.

NOW you know who *I* am. Hope you have a lovely day. Please take the time to try and be open minded and look into the information i presented. It is extremely ignorant to think you have never been deceived and that you know all truths. You will NEVER find all the truths to this reality in one book, or one religion. You must look all over spending years and years seeking and putting the pieces of the puzzle together. THEN you will understand and see things in a better light.

I literally have no ego and i am in no way trying to insult or offend anyone what-so-ever. I come from a place of pure love and I incarnated in these end times to attempt to wake up as many souls as i can so they can have a chance at real salvation after 13,000 years of darkness and deception. Of course any new information or beliefs that contradict what you know or have been taught you will automatically try to reject it at first or believe you know better. Just how this german philosopher claims how truth passes through 3 stages:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --Arthur Schopenhauer

I will still be lurking around here for a while so if anyone has questions or actually wants to discuss anything feel free.

Whatever you do- don't let Judithz see this. He/she/it will be pissed.

NONE OF THIS IS MOST OF WHAT YOU POST IS NOT BIBLICAL AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC. YOU ARE ABOUT TO DRAW A BAN. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED 3 TIMES ALREADY TO STICK TO THE BIBLE ONLY AND USE SCRIPTURE FROM IT TO MAKE YOUR CASE.

If you want to talk about all of this other shit, then start your own thread.

Galatians1

3Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

This!!!

Care to explain why you just posted up random scripture? Aside from the fact that none of it has anything to do with a Rapture, it would be nice for you to explain the context for why you post it. Please include scripture in context. That is to say, don't cherry pick scripture to fit your narrative when preceding or subsequent scripture identifies what is being disused within it. Thanks.

You *ARE* speaking to GOD you imbecile. You honestly should watch what you say in your responses. You have been given the best gifts of spiritual truth any human could be shown in these last days.

However, you are too far gone in your mental programming that you have such a closed mind that you think you know absolute pure truths and can't see real truth when it's being spoonfed to you as if you are a spiritual baby, which you are.

Good luck. I have tried way too hard on you and you aren't even capable of critical thinking and comprehension.

Take care.

Yes. That is what scripture says. There is no argument here.

Such is life. We live and then die and shed this mortal coil. It happens in an instant.

As scripture says; it is appointed for men to die once, and then Judgment. Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV

Yep.

I wont dress it up in fancy words or walls of text, I'll just say there is no such thing as a pre trib rapture.

Anyone who believes otherwise can't read a bible.

More like this is a prison world and when you you die an archon will either pose as a religious figure you look up to like Jesus or a family member claiming you must return back here to learn more or that you have so many more things to learn or do. They require your free-will and agreement to return here.

If you say no that you know where you came from and that is source and you are a child of light/source and that is where you are going to return they should let you return there.

I asked you to stay on topic. A lot of what you are talking about has no basis in biblical context.

YOU, are NOT God and a lot of what you say is NOT truth, it is not biblical and has no part with Jesus.

Stay on topic. If you don't know what it is, it is in the thread title.