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Here is why there WONT be a Rapture.

 
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You've clearly never read the Nag Hammadi gospels. No religion is "false", they all teach the same thing in different ways. Christianity scriptures didn't exist when he was in India and Tibet, silly.

Also most of the bible is plagarism from Sumerian and Egyptian stories. The 10 Commandments came from the 42 Egyptian commandments of Ma'at.
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"NAG" hammadi? Satan had those discovered to mislead true Believers of God and His Son.

"Plagarism"? Says who?

Similarity does NOT PROVE direct association nor origination.

Historical existence does not prove "origin of story".

"Concensus of scholars" isn't "proof of fact".
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Genesis comes from sumerian genesis. Moses is pharoah akhenaten..

If you've read the nag hammadi gospels you'd know they speak of authenticity and truth. Showing what Jesus was really teaching and how God is all loving, unlike the fearful fake Demiurge God in the Old Testament.

Are you not able to understand that Rome rules this world right now and they murdered a lot of people and burned libraries and books to cover up truth and if anyone believed differently they'd go around murdering them. That says it all right there to me, unless you consider it okay to trust Rome who are murderers, and they're who murdered Jesus. That's a real loving Christianity yes? More like it's all brainwashing with true spiritual teachings removed to turn humans into dumbed down fearful obedient slaves willingly giving their energy away to churches to black magicians.
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Nag NONSENSE. Demiurge? lmao

Jesus has a Heavenly Father. Get over it.

Rome didn't CREATE the manuscripts for the Bible.
They weren't even in charge of the churches when the Bible was created in 382. All they did was to take the most popular MS's and put them together.

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You *ARE* speaking to GOD you imbecile. You honestly should watch what you say in your responses. You have been given the best gifts of spiritual truth any human could be shown in these last days.
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bullshit
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You *ARE* speaking to GOD you imbecile. You honestly should watch what you say in your responses. You have been given the best gifts of spiritual truth any human could be shown in these last days.
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:bullshit:
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alien16dcomp

God-zilla is gone, at least for now, for spreading lies and ignoring my request to stay on topic and cite scripture from the bible. I asked them nicely, 3X's, to stay on topic.

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Here is why there WONT be a Rapture.
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Judethz is gonna beat you up
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hesright :bear1:
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Because I post biblical scripture IN CONTEXT, that destroys a rapture theory.?

I don't care.

I don't do this for money. I do this for discussion. I want to learn the Truth, and I want others to learn it also.

I don't claim to know everything. I have more study to do on this and other topics, but my extensive study into this topic has shown me that a Rapture Doctrine is not of Christ, Jesus.

I have researched it and A Rapture Doctrine is patently false.

If someone could show me where Jesus talks about a Rapture, I might listen. They won't, and can't, because he doesn't.

Jesus would have told us there would be a Rapture if there was going to be one.

Jesus did warn us about false doctrine though.

Matthew
Chapter 24

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Then further down.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

When does Jesus say the end comes?

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


NOT the Rapture gospel, but Jesus's Gospel. The end doesn't come during the middle, or at the front.

The end comes when God says it does. God is the only one that knows the day or the hour, yet Rapture believers want to try to tell us when Jesus will return, ignoring HIS WORD ON THE MATTER!!
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Matthew 24
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


The Rapture Doctrine does exactly what Jesus warns us about.

Jesus says NOT to believe people who claim to know, what even He doesn't know Himself.

When Jesus returns, it will be the end of all things, not the middle. He won't be coming in secret.

Scripture tells us that the end will be cut short or no flesh will be saved.

Look again, what Jesus repeats. The separation of the Wheat from the Tares, is the Same thing as the Sheep from the Goats, and it happens when Jesus returns and sits on His throne, NOT BEFORE THEN.


Matthew 25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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I'm going to discredit myself immediately by saying I am no longer religious, but I'm sure it's already been said that scripture does not support a pretrib rapture. During the tribulation, people still have a chance to turn to God. But if the church is already gone,who is going to lead the lost to Jesus? The two witnesses? There will simply be too many people. Christians are spared from gods wrath, NOT the tribulation. There is a freaking difference.
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I'm going to discredit myself immediately by saying I am no longer religious, but I'm sure it's already been said that scripture does not support a pretrib rapture. During the tribulation, people still have a chance to turn to God. But if the church is already gone,who is going to lead the lost to Jesus? The two witnesses? There will simply be too many people. Christians are spared from gods wrath, NOT the tribulation. There is a freaking difference.
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Thank you.

You already know more than a lot of people who claim too.
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2 Timothy - Chapter 4 explains how Christians can believe a variety of interpretations.

Is there a Rapture?
No Rapture?
I saw a thread yesterday w/a bible teacher claiming there are 3 raptures.

2 Tim;
For the time is coming (now), when people will listen to teachers who suit their personal tastes.. and they will wander off into myths.

The time we are living in.. is awash with deception.
Who will be able to sort thru' the false teachers, false prophets and dreamers?

Where is the TRUTH?
Who in this thread is telling the truth?
They all say they know the truth.
They THINK they know it.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your path.

all you guys think you are telling the truth about the Rapture.

Jesus IS THE TRUTH. Period.

I am just going to trust in HIM and forget about it.
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clappa

I would forget about it too, but for the fact that every time the rapture lie is presented, someone needs to stand up and quell it, because if lies are allowed to stand, more people will turn to the fable.

I show in scripture what Jesus says. That way, they are making informed choice, having all of the facts.

Anyone who doesn't do their own research on a topic, sell themselves short.

In the end.......it matters not what others do. No one can save anyone else, but having the facts, will take you much further than believing in falsehood.
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alien16dcomp

God-zilla is gone, at least for now, for spreading lies and ignoring my request to stay on topic and cite scripture from the bible. I asked them nicely, 3X's, to stay on topic.

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I can relate gaah book hi
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IF there is to be a TOTAL "falling away" - then WHY is Jesus speaking about "flesh being saved"?

Matthew 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


To me, this shows that there will still be believers alive at the end of all the tribulation.

And this - is just before Jesus' 1000 year reign

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
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Let's look at this passage.

1 Thessalonians

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Notice that Verse 16 is pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in His FOUR Gospel descriptions.

Then notice how Verses 15 & 17 match....

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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1 Th 4 matches with what Jesus said in Matthew, Mark and Luke (already posted above) - AFTER the Tribulation.

"We who are live and remain".

Sounds like the folks who...

1. Didn't accept the mark of the beast
2. Didn't get beheaded
3. Didn't get killed during the Tribulation
4. Folks who remained AFTER the tares were taken.
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It’s All depends upon perspective of the first 4 seals and when they are or were released..from that viewpoint ....there will be a number of raptures...

The 1st will occur at the start of ‘last week/7 years’..it will include the matyred overcoming saints of past generations who will be resurrected and to the throne of God (Rev 12;5,11; Phil 3:10-11. It will also include the first -fruits overcoming believes who will be raptured to mt Zion.(Rev 14:1-5) and the overcoming believes living in this age who are raptured to Christ presence (Rev 3:10, Luke 21 :36, Matt 24:39-42)..

Very interesting that in matt 25 the parable of the 10 virgins, the believes notice their own shortage...to be filled with oil in our vessels..our condition is related to the price we pay...
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IF there is to be a TOTAL "falling away" - then WHY is Jesus speaking about "flesh being saved"?

Matthew 24


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Freeze dried meat. Its all quite mundane.
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I believe Jesus Christ.

I believe the Rapture to be entirely consistent Scriptural Truth.




For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10



In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son-0f-Man.


Luke 21:35,36


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me
;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalm 27:5


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell the on earth.


Revelation 3:10


For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
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“For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come,
and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins”



Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373


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The J***sh Wedding - Chuck Missler


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A J****sh wedding and the pre-tribulation rapture


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Chuck was a good man, studious and diligent, but he (like most of us) got things wrong at times.

It seems clear to me from the scripture that the harpazo (rapture) takes place after the great tribulation, but before the wrath of God is poured out. I think the first launches the other.

I can’t see how they dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who remain...’ can mean anything other than what is known as a rapture.

The Lord returns, we are raised to meet him, we take on our incorruptible form, and the wrath of God is poured out on the Earth. It is almost simultaneous and, as we are now no longer bound by the physicality of our previous bodies, it doesn’t matter whether we are ‘in the air’ or return to Earth immediately with Christ. We are still safe from the wrath and we are saved eternally, as promised.
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Chuck was a good man, studious and diligent, but he (like most of us) got things wrong at times.

It seems clear to me from the scripture that the harpazo (rapture) takes place after the great tribulation, but before the wrath of God is poured out. I think the first launches the other.

I can’t see how they dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who remain...’ can mean anything other than what is known as a rapture.

The Lord returns, we are raised to meet him, we take on our incorruptible form, and the wrath of God is poured out on the Earth. It is almost simultaneous and, as we are now no longer bound by the physicality of our previous bodies, it doesn’t matter whether we are ‘in the air’ or return to Earth immediately with Christ. We are still safe from the wrath and we are saved eternally, as promised.
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You think you know better...
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Watched the first couple of mins. He’s wrong on imminence, and wrong on experiencing God’s wrath. The correct position is post trib, pre wrath. We are promised one, and assures we won’t suffer the other in scripture.

And Imminence in scripture means you could be run over by a truck or have a heart attack at any minute, not that Jesus would rapture us.

If the church is gone, who has the wisdom to calculate the number of the beast?

2 thess 2 tells us that the Lord’s and our gathering To him won’t take place until the falling away happens and the Man of lawlessness is revealed, so the rapture can’t happen any time.
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The correct position is post trib, pre wrath.
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Thus sayeth you.
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The correct position is post trib, pre wrath.
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We do not agree even on terms.

The Tribulation is Daniels's 70th Week - 7 years.

The Great Tribulation is The Wrath of God, the Time of Jacob's Trouble, the last 3 1/2 years of that 7 years,

in our understanding and opinion.
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Imminency means we are to expect Jesus at any moment because we do not know when it is that He will return for us.

You do not believe Imminency and that Jesus can return at any moment for us because you know He only returns at the End and many things (all of Revelation) must happen first before He comes.

Am I mistaken?
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Let's look at this passage.

1 Thessalonians

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Notice that Verse 16 is pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in His FOUR Gospel descriptions.

Then notice how Verses 15 & 17 match....

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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1 Th 4 matches with what Jesus said in Matthew, Mark and Luke (already posted above) - AFTER the Tribulation.

"We who are live and remain".

Sounds like the folks who...

1. Didn't accept the mark of the beast
2. Didn't get beheaded
3. Didn't get killed during the Tribulation
4. Folks who remained AFTER the tares were taken.
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Oh look!

Someone posting scripture.......that marvelously aligns with other scripture!

Even better......the scripture they post is the Word of Jesus. It is Jesus telling us what is to occur.

No mention of a Rapture. Instead we get a warning from Jesus, about people who would have you looking to such things.

hf
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Watched the first couple of mins. He’s wrong on imminence, and wrong on experiencing God’s wrath. The correct position is post trib, pre wrath. We are promised one, and assures we won’t suffer the other in scripture.

And Imminence in scripture means you could be run over by a truck or have a heart attack at any minute, not that Jesus would rapture us.

If the church is gone, who has the wisdom to calculate the number of the beast?

2 thess 2 tells us that the Lord’s and our gathering To him won’t take place until the falling away happens and the Man of lawlessness is revealed, so the rapture can’t happen any time.
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God lights a bush on fire, but the bush doesn't burn up. It isn't consumed.

Daniel 3, where it talks about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego is the only proof I need that God can protect his people supernaturally, while trials unfold, having us be present in them, while not suffering the penalty of them.

God will cover us and protect us, even as we witness His Wrath unfold on the debase and ungodly.

To say the He cannot do both at once is to deny God, His Omnipotence and absolute authority over all things.





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