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Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 76933812 Chile 03/29/2020 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's only the numbers that have been tested. The actual number of infected could be much higher. Quoting: GLP Effect This is the number of Covid-19 tested deaths. The total Number of confirmed cases (by testing) is much higher. The total number of Covid-19 deaths is possibly also higher, but we will never know the true figures from China and even Italy is not being able to account for them since about a week ago. Last Edited by Red Hot Chilean Pepe on 03/29/2020 03:35 PM All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78471388 Switzerland 03/29/2020 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You said it OP. Try using your own eyes, logic, and deductive reasoning, instead of an algorithm on a website -all based on numbers you have no way to verify, provided by unscrupulous characters with conflicts of interest and possibly stand to gain financially. Eliminate all the hype, and propaganda... it does not ad up. i posted dates and numbers. the chart was an addition. those dates and numbers were using my own eyes. but you know that and you're just shilling. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Blue State Rebel
User ID: 73724632 United States 03/29/2020 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess you folks missed this question: Quoting: Blue State Rebel WHERE ARE THOSE MASSIVE OUTBREAKS OF THOUSANDS OF CORONA VIRUS CASES AMONG THE HOMELESS HUDDLED FOR BLOCKS AND BLOCKS IN MANY OF THE MAJOR CITIES OF THE US, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST COAST? I would think if anyone would be vulnerable to "COVID-19" it would be those tens of thousands of homeless people, many of them with compromised immune systems due to drug & alcohol addiction, poor nutrition, HIV+, etc., in California, Washington. And yet....I AM HEARING NOTHING. NOTHING about those areas. |
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BBQ BOY™
User ID: 77857043 United States 03/29/2020 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Idiot. A mortality rate doesn't double every 6 days. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ The mortality rate for Covid-19 in the US is less than 1%. A yuge amount of those infected never get tested or go to a hospital. He didn't say Mortality rate he said Deaths. I been keeping the Numbers for the USA since March 11th. Have look at the Deaths. 3/11 5:30pm Infected - 1,109 Dead - 31 3/12 5:30pm Infected - 1,573 Dead - 40 3/13 5:30pm Infected - 2,269 Dead - 48 3/14 5:30pm Infected - 2,836 Dead - 57 3/15 5:30pm Infected - 3,557 Dead - 68 3/16 5:30pm Infected - 4,411 Dead - 77 3/17 5:30pm Infected - 6,176 Dead - 102 3/18 5:30pm Infected - 8,993 Dead - 150 3/19 5:30pm Infected - 13,671 Dead - 191 3/20 5:30pm Infected - 18,756 Dead - 253 3/21 5:30pm Infected - 24,786 Dead - 290 3/22 5:30pm Infected - 32,356 Dead - 414 3/23 5:30pm Infected - 42,751 Dead - 520 3/24 5:30pm Infected - 52,983 Dead - 680 3/25 5:30pm Infected - 64,769 Dead - 910 3/26 5:30pm Infected - 82,067 Dead - 1,177 3/27 5:30pm Infected - 100,392 Dead - 1,543 3/28 5:30pm Infected - 120,168 Dead - 1,993 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
Louis in Richmond
That is my arm now; broken for 7 months User ID: 73663730 United States 03/29/2020 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | changed the title for the morans that want to pretend that they don't understand the numbers and what exponential growth is Quoting: JJ Johns To put this in perspective: Monday March 22, 2020 there were 22 detected cases of COVID-19 in Virginia. Sunday March 29, 2020 there are now 890 detected cases of COVID-19 in Virginia. Until your military service has required you neutralize enemy combatants and invaders in the defense of your country, don't presume to tell us that have defended you that you don't support every shot we fired to eliminate that enemy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77007801 03/29/2020 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fake figures Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701802 Covid scam Extremely (intentionally) flawed testing/data. The following is from a medical forum. The writer, who is a widely respected professional scientist in the US, prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days. *** I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments. This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues. The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. The problem is the test is known not to work. It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues. The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense. And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load. If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you. If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis. And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen. Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus. They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time. All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die. You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist. Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic. But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways. 1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead. 2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers. 3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience. 4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen. Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks. They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test. This is the rub. |
JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78471388 Switzerland 03/29/2020 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my thread. are you saying i'm a bot? do you have anything to add to the discussion pertaining to the exact dates and total deaths on those dates, or the source i posted? if you have an actual argument, great, you're welcome to join the discussion. ad hominem attacks like the one posted here are bullshit, and you should know that. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Cynical Realist WASH HANDS
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 78700773 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You reaaly have an issue here dont you....Why are you so angry about some information that is out there? I think if anyone is a tard..its you!! IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
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Dijact
User ID: 77693746 United States 03/29/2020 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Idiot. A mortality rate doesn't double every 6 days. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ The mortality rate for Covid-19 in the US is less than 1%. A yuge amount of those infected never get tested or go to a hospital. He didn't say Mortality rate he said Deaths. I been keeping the Numbers for the USA since March 11th. Have look at the Deaths. 3/11 5:30pm Infected - 1,109 Dead - 31 3/12 5:30pm Infected - 1,573 Dead - 40 3/13 5:30pm Infected - 2,269 Dead - 48 3/14 5:30pm Infected - 2,836 Dead - 57 3/15 5:30pm Infected - 3,557 Dead - 68 3/16 5:30pm Infected - 4,411 Dead - 77 3/17 5:30pm Infected - 6,176 Dead - 102 3/18 5:30pm Infected - 8,993 Dead - 150 3/19 5:30pm Infected - 13,671 Dead - 191 3/20 5:30pm Infected - 18,756 Dead - 253 3/21 5:30pm Infected - 24,786 Dead - 290 3/22 5:30pm Infected - 32,356 Dead - 414 3/23 5:30pm Infected - 42,751 Dead - 520 3/24 5:30pm Infected - 52,983 Dead - 680 3/25 5:30pm Infected - 64,769 Dead - 910 3/26 5:30pm Infected - 82,067 Dead - 1,177 3/27 5:30pm Infected - 100,392 Dead - 1,543 3/28 5:30pm Infected - 120,168 Dead - 1,993 Actually, he did. |
Blue State Rebel
User ID: 73724632 United States 03/29/2020 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess you folks missed this question: Quoting: Blue State Rebel WHERE ARE THOSE MASSIVE OUTBREAKS OF THOUSANDS OF CORONA VIRUS CASES AMONG THE HOMELESS HUDDLED FOR BLOCKS AND BLOCKS IN MANY OF THE MAJOR CITIES OF THE US, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST COAST? I would think if anyone would be vulnerable to "COVID-19" it would be those tens of thousands of homeless people, many of them with compromised immune systems due to drug & alcohol addiction, poor nutrition, HIV+, etc., in California, Washington. And yet....I AM HEARING NOTHING. NOTHING about those areas. Can any of you "COVID-19" experts answer this question for me about why there have been no major outbreaks among the homeless in these giant encampments in the West Coast states that are supposedly "hot beds" of Corona Virus? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77073317 United States 03/29/2020 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fake figures Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701802 Covid scam Extremely (intentionally) flawed testing/data. The following is from a medical forum. The writer, who is a widely respected professional scientist in the US, prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days. *** I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments. This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues. The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. The problem is the test is known not to work. It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues. The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense. And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load. If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you. If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis. And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen. Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus. They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time. All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die. You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist. Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic. But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways. 1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead. 2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers. 3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience. 4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen. Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks. They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test. Well look at that, common sense... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77007801 03/29/2020 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | changed the title for the morans that want to pretend that they don't understand the numbers and what exponential growth is Quoting: JJ Johns To put this in perspective: Monday March 22, 2020 there were 22 detected cases of COVID-19 in Virginia. Sunday March 29, 2020 there are now 890 detected cases of COVID-19 in Virginia. And what exactly was being detected. Explain to me, what the tests are testing for. What you got are people who tested for any corona type virus. If you want COVID-19 verified that takes a lab and a different type of testing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56781090 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess you folks missed this question: Quoting: Blue State Rebel WHERE ARE THOSE MASSIVE OUTBREAKS OF THOUSANDS OF CORONA VIRUS CASES AMONG THE HOMELESS HUDDLED FOR BLOCKS AND BLOCKS IN MANY OF THE MAJOR CITIES OF THE US, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST COAST? I would think if anyone would be vulnerable to "COVID-19" it would be those tens of thousands of homeless people, many of them with compromised immune systems due to drug & alcohol addiction, poor nutrition, HIV+, etc., in California, Washington. And yet....I AM HEARING NOTHING. NOTHING about those areas. Can any of you "COVID-19" experts answer this question for me about why there have been no major outbreaks among the homeless in these giant encampments in the West Coast states that are supposedly "hot beds" of Corona Virus? How do you know there haven’t been? |
JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78471388 Switzerland 03/29/2020 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Idiot. A mortality rate doesn't double every 6 days. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ The mortality rate for Covid-19 in the US is less than 1%. A yuge amount of those infected never get tested or go to a hospital. He didn't say Mortality rate he said Deaths. I been keeping the Numbers for the USA since March 11th. Have look at the Deaths. 3/11 5:30pm Infected - 1,109 Dead - 31 3/12 5:30pm Infected - 1,573 Dead - 40 3/13 5:30pm Infected - 2,269 Dead - 48 3/14 5:30pm Infected - 2,836 Dead - 57 3/15 5:30pm Infected - 3,557 Dead - 68 3/16 5:30pm Infected - 4,411 Dead - 77 3/17 5:30pm Infected - 6,176 Dead - 102 3/18 5:30pm Infected - 8,993 Dead - 150 3/19 5:30pm Infected - 13,671 Dead - 191 3/20 5:30pm Infected - 18,756 Dead - 253 3/21 5:30pm Infected - 24,786 Dead - 290 3/22 5:30pm Infected - 32,356 Dead - 414 3/23 5:30pm Infected - 42,751 Dead - 520 3/24 5:30pm Infected - 52,983 Dead - 680 3/25 5:30pm Infected - 64,769 Dead - 910 3/26 5:30pm Infected - 82,067 Dead - 1,177 3/27 5:30pm Infected - 100,392 Dead - 1,543 3/28 5:30pm Infected - 120,168 Dead - 1,993 thanks. to be fair, i used incorrect wording in the OP but corrected right away. however, my intention, which should have been obvious from reading the post, remains the same. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78471388 Switzerland 03/29/2020 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Idiot. A mortality rate doesn't double every 6 days. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ The mortality rate for Covid-19 in the US is less than 1%. A yuge amount of those infected never get tested or go to a hospital. He didn't say Mortality rate he said Deaths. I been keeping the Numbers for the USA since March 11th. Have look at the Deaths. 3/11 5:30pm Infected - 1,109 Dead - 31 3/12 5:30pm Infected - 1,573 Dead - 40 3/13 5:30pm Infected - 2,269 Dead - 48 3/14 5:30pm Infected - 2,836 Dead - 57 3/15 5:30pm Infected - 3,557 Dead - 68 3/16 5:30pm Infected - 4,411 Dead - 77 3/17 5:30pm Infected - 6,176 Dead - 102 3/18 5:30pm Infected - 8,993 Dead - 150 3/19 5:30pm Infected - 13,671 Dead - 191 3/20 5:30pm Infected - 18,756 Dead - 253 3/21 5:30pm Infected - 24,786 Dead - 290 3/22 5:30pm Infected - 32,356 Dead - 414 3/23 5:30pm Infected - 42,751 Dead - 520 3/24 5:30pm Infected - 52,983 Dead - 680 3/25 5:30pm Infected - 64,769 Dead - 910 3/26 5:30pm Infected - 82,067 Dead - 1,177 3/27 5:30pm Infected - 100,392 Dead - 1,543 3/28 5:30pm Infected - 120,168 Dead - 1,993 Actually, he did. view my post right above this one, where i stated this. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78689036 United States 03/29/2020 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the day is far from over yet, and we will likely see the total by the end of the day hit around ~34,500. Quoting: JJ Johns however, taking the numbers from now 32,000 today 64,000 6 days 128,000 12 days 256,000 18 days 512,000 24 days 1 mill 30 days 2 mill 36 days 4 mill 42 days 8 mill 48 days 16 mill 54 days 32 million in 60 days! that's only two months from now, assuming it doesn't continue to accelerate, as it has been. Unfortunately, that is a fairly realistic number... :( Do you honestly believe that? All the Asian countries have shown about a 4 week cycle between beginning and the highest spike in cases which btw can't even be verified as covid19 cases. (there is no reliable testing. that's been proven) But somehow, because orange man bad, the US is going to suffer numbers that we haven't even come close to seeing anywhere else! lol I'm at a loss. I always kind of wondered what a real emergency would look like and how it would affect people. I never figured once sane, rational people would completely lose it the way I'm seeing here. TDS + Corona hysteria = zombie apocalypse! |
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WRogers
User ID: 76176803 United States 03/29/2020 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fake figures Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701802 Covid scam Extremely (intentionally) flawed testing/data. The following is from a medical forum. The writer, who is a widely respected professional scientist in the US, prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days. *** I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments. This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues. The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. The problem is the test is known not to work. It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues. The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense. And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load. If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you. If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis. And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen. Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus. They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time. All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die. You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist. Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic. But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways. 1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead. 2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers. 3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience. 4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen. Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks. They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test. Op is 3fiddy or |
@MoonPie
User ID: 28698215 United States 03/29/2020 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the day is far from over yet, and we will likely see the total by the end of the day hit around ~34,500. Quoting: JJ Johns however, taking the numbers from now 32,000 today 64,000 6 days 128,000 12 days 256,000 18 days 512,000 24 days 1 mill 30 days 2 mill 36 days 4 mill 42 days 8 mill 48 days 16 mill 54 days 32 million in 60 days! that's only two months from now, assuming it doesn't continue to accelerate, as it has been. “Shallow men believe in luck or in circumstance. Strong men believe in cause and effect.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson “Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed.” — Albert Einstein. "Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does" — Janis Ian |
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Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 78700773 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand the title OP.... You would have to be pretty stupid to NOT understand it. You have a big following of SHILLS that either Mis-info....Dis-info... Or downright lie. IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
Gilly
User ID: 35818575 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked if they had tests, and she said no. I asked how she knew that patient had it, and she actually didn't know - it was just an assumption from the symptoms they had displayed, being respiratory and with a temperature. Her boss, the Dr, has decided in a fit of pique, prompted by the lack of information / downward communication, to say, bugger it, and has gone off on the holiday he's had scheduled for a while - which he would not have done had he seen an influx of likely corona patients, or even been provided with testing kits & kept updated from above. I'm in Lancashire. Love by Sir Walter Scott In peace, Love tunes the shepherd’s reed; In war, he mounts the warrior’s steed; In halls, in gay attire is seen; In hamlets, dances on the green. Love rules the court, the camp, the grove, And men below and saints above; For love is heaven, and heaven is love. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77043343 United States 03/29/2020 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the day is far from over yet, and we will likely see the total by the end of the day hit around ~34,500. Quoting: JJ Johns however, taking the numbers from now 32,000 today 64,000 6 days 128,000 12 days 256,000 18 days 512,000 24 days 1 mill 30 days 2 mill 36 days 4 mill 42 days 8 mill 48 days 16 mill 54 days 32 million in 60 days! that's only two months from now, assuming it doesn't continue to accelerate, as it has been. Unfortunately, that is a fairly realistic number... :( Do you honestly believe that? All the Asian countries have shown about a 4 week cycle between beginning and the highest spike in cases which btw can't even be verified as covid19 cases. (there is no reliable testing. that's been proven) But somehow, because orange man bad, the US is going to suffer numbers that we haven't even come close to seeing anywhere else! lol I'm at a loss. I always kind of wondered what a real emergency would look like and how it would affect people. I never figured once sane, rational people would completely lose it the way I'm seeing here. TDS + Corona hysteria = zombie apocalypse! Scary shit when People lose there shit so easy. How do you think people could prevent it? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9338962 United States 03/29/2020 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | go to this link and switch to the logarithmic version of the total deaths chart, and you con see the perfectly straight line from about 8 march until today, and how it is a perfetly straight line rising upwards, which also denotes exponential growth Quoting: JJ Johns [link to www.worldometers.info (secure)] The logarithmic chart confuses the tards even further. They can't even understand the linear one. |