UPDATE: We Broke the Trend! Deaths from COVID19 no longer doubling every 6 Days. Happy Easter!

Oh, you call that a relief fund, we call it a bailout over here. My wife asked me why the UK government were being so 'good' with their offers of help to all the laid off workers, self employed etc,

I told her they had no choice.

She looked at me strange.

The only part of the bailout you're going to get is the SHAFT, mark my words

where in my op, or anywhere on this thread have i said in the US? you're making dumb ass assumptions. fuck off

Lol india will never get hit hard, coronavirus is just a strain of the flu and its +30 all the time in india, it does not survive that weather, the only cases they have are probably from recent travelers

Tard!

"confirmed"?

Too few test kits = many people who have it, not counted.

This may be as high as 80% of the sick, not going to the hospital and not getting tested.

That mean the true more accurate mortality rate is 1/5 the current stat.

1.74 X (0.2) = 0.035...or about the same mortality rate for a typical flu season.

In the 2017-2018 USA flu season, there was 79,000 deaths.

You can bet your ass that Covid 19 flu has been here stateside since at least November. Someone already posted to this effect with sound evidence. There were over 170,000 people who flew into the USA from Wuhan, China on 02/01/20 alone. One day!

Get your head out of your dumbass and start thinking critically.

Fake figures


Covid scam

Extremely (intentionally) flawed testing/data.

The following is from a medical forum. The writer, who is a widely respected professional scientist in the US, prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days.

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I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.

This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.

The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.

Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.

The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is

The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.

And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.

If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.

Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive

PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.

There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.

Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.

Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.

Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.

2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.

3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.

4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen.

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.

I am using the data from the US to prove a point in terms of the death count. If you don't wish to use strictly US data, we can do that as well. So, if the death count worldwide (since that's what you're wanting to discuss) reaches 300K, that alone is still half of the number of people who approx die of the flu in any given year. HALF. And countries were not on lock down then.

Right now in NYC 2% of those who have contracted the virus have died.....almost precisely


678 deaths /33768 infections = 2.007%



Meanwhile , in Israel 15 people out of 4000 have died,
25 minutes ago:
[link to www.haaretz.com (secure)]


15deaths/4234 total infected= 0.375 death rate%

10 of these were extremely aged individuals and their testing positive likley only means they were vaccinated.

SO why is the death rate in new york 8 times what it is in Israel? Why is the death rate 100 times higher in Iran, and 42 times higher in italy??

I am using the data from the US to prove a point in terms of the death count. If you don't wish to use strictly US data, we can do that as well. So, if the death count worldwide (since that's what you're wanting to discuss) reaches 300K, that alone is still half of the number of people who approx die of the flu in any given year. HALF. And countries were not on lock down then.

i've been following and posting on this here over the past few weeks. The exponential growth (amount of deaths doubling every 6 days) continues. today we hit 32,000 deaths, and it's 6 days after 16,000 deaths were reached on 23. march, and that's was 6 days after we hit ~8,000 on 17 march.

Date / Total Dead
09. March 4,025
17. March 7,979
23. March 16,513
29. March 32,145

[link to www.worldometers.info (secure)]

ADD: to those of you that don't get this. you're missing this, i think: here in europe, we are ahead of you by a week to 10 days. the hospitals in northern italy and spain are completely over run. they don't have enough supplies. the drs. are working overtime. some are getting sick too.

when the hospitals get overrun like they have been, even more people die--people that may have otherwise survived. and, if you need emergency care, maybe for a car accident, a heart attack, a stroke, guess what--they don't have any bed for you, and you may die too.

NOTICE: if you're just posting attacks without any argument, sources, or logic, your post will be deleted. enough bullshit from shills. i don't give a shit if you don't like it. make your own thread then.

Stop basing growth on stats. The stats are incorrect.

Was this Covid 19 under a different name? With 1300 dead in less than two months with a mortality rate of 5.6% (23,000/1300) why wasn't there a fucking lock down back in mid December? If this wasn't Covid 19, why are we lockdown and under oppression now, while they destroy our economy over a dishonest, extremely biased (on the extreme high side) 1.74% U.S. Covid 19 mortality rate? Things than make you go hmmmmmm.....

Article is from Dec. 13th, 2019
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]

Stop basing growth on stats. The stats are incorrect.

ok, ow tell me how that changes anything in my original post. the rate of deaths are still doubling every 6 days. you're missing the point

Idiot. A mortality rate doesn't double every 6 days.

The mortality rate for Covid-19 in the US is less than 1%.

A yuge amount of those infected never get tested or go to a hospital.

I think this evidence alone completely destroys any type of modeling that's been used over the last month. When you factor in the extended time the virus has been here, it's actually less virulent than normal flu. When you consider the almost complete lack of flu cases reported this year by the CDC, you start to see the bigger picture. Covid19 is in FACT this year's flu bug.

Ir's not less than 1%. It is currently at 1.7%. Last Thursday it was 1.4%. So in 3 days, the mortality rate has gone from 1.4% to 1.7%. Of course, the mortality rate is going to get higher.

USA

Number of infected = 140,990

Number of deaths = 2,457

2,457 ÷ 140,990 x 100% = a death rate of 1.74%

The flu has a death rate of 0.1%

Wake up hoax tards.

You're missing the fucking point. Who gives a shit if deaths double every six days. The actual mortality rate is no different than the average seasonal flu, which is a fraction of those who fall ill (just .035%). Even if 120 million people get sick (very unlikely), two thirds of the population won't (240 million people). So your chance of dying from this is one tenth of one percent (0.001). Do you realize how many Americans die in automobile accidents annually? Do you? The chance of an American dying in a wreck is 1:114. Terrible odds right? Yet, people go outside and drive, EVERYDAY. Well, the chance of you dying from this disease in any given year is just 1:1000

NOT EVERYONE WILL FALL ILL. Got it?

Let's get back to work and school. Let this thing run it's course. Wash your hands. Get some rest. Eat health, and for God's sakes get out in the sun for some natural vitamin D.

What the fuck is wrong with people's critical thinking skills today?

So you can't have a NOVEL virus appear at same time/before/after traditional flu? You know what NOVEL means?

Get off man!

The Sheeple can only ingest what their masters feed them.

There are a lot of people on this forum who over the next few weeks, will be wishing for mass death just so they can come back here and say I told you so. Well that and they think the more death, the more Trump will look bad.

My sister’s best friend age 21 lives in Bozeman and has it. Recently came back from a hiking trip in Northern Cali, she had diarrhea, fatigue, and chest pressure. Woke up next morning fever 103, persistent dry cough, and shortness of breath/pressure/pain.

4 days in still feels bad but slightly better.



60+ year old lady in my hometown has had it for over a week, feels terrible, similar symptoms, still at home no complications. Slept next to her husband for week most likely contagious and he never got it/or hasn’t yet.



My cousins friend in Virginia, age 29 has it, very badly, hospitalized on ventilator. He has “auto immune” disorder? And is an extreme heavy drinker. Don’t know his update.


I woke up today tired, headache, some gas/stomach pains... no diarrhea, no fever, no cough... paranoid that I may be getting it.... I’ve been pretty isolated and live in Northern Idaho. 27/m...

hey tard, look at the trump 2020 in my signature. i voted for him last time around and i will again this year.
yes, i'm an american, despite my flag.

Where are the normal flu cases then? CDC is reporting practically none. We should have 20 million cases this year. Where they at?

Here's the problem. Even if the death count actually reaches 32,000 then it would STILL only be half of the flu deaths during the 2017 flu season. I don't remember the country being shut down for that.

Where are the normal flu cases then? CDC is reporting practically none. We should have 20 million cases this year. Where they at?

No they didn't.

They've been all over pointing out that the claims that they revised their numbers down is absurd. What they were saying is, if measures are taken to combat the virus, deaths will be lower, not that they were wrong and that it won't be as deadly as they thought.

I'm getting fed up saying this, it's all about overwhelming the hospitals/care system.

Forget traditional flu Covid-19 if either of those things lead to the possible deadly pneumonia complications the ICU/ventilators etc simply aren't available. They are attempting to manage this outbreak and godhelp us if they cant because a lot of folk will die a horrible death.