TOWNHALL (MARCH 29) -- Hydroxychloroquine: Help Is On The Way! | |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 72273633 United States 03/29/2020 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Democrats, the media, and people who despise the president don’t want these trials to succeed. Three Democrat governors have gone so far as to ban the use of the drug cocktail. And one has even threatened action against doctors who prescribe it. Which is an odd juxtaposition for the days we live in. It appears that the President cares more about their constituents in their states than their own governors do. [link to townhall.com (secure)] LoneStarRising |
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LoneStarRising
Forum Moderator User ID: 72273633 United States 03/29/2020 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not for prophylactic use, but you can get it here if you test positive for COVID-19. Thread: Telehealth company is already prescribing the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin drug combination for COVID-19 patients nationwide LoneStarRising |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78458193 United States 03/29/2020 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've bought it over the counter in Mexico, but you have to have a doctor's prescription to get it here in the U.S. I priced it out for buying it in the U.S. including doctors visits, and it would have cost me over $300. In Mexico it cost me $3 over the counter. If out have a friend (expatriate) living in Mexico you might have them buy you some, although it's probably all sold out by now. . |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/29/2020 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yay! Quoting: Prayandprepare000 It can have serious side effects so be forewarned. Not as serious as dying of virus though. Actually, side effects are minimal compared to the formerly-used form (Chloroquine), and any side effects are usually seen only during long-term treatment, not short-term like with COVID-19. |
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CK Dexter Haven
User ID: 77028752 Switzerland 03/29/2020 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NYC is using this and it isn't working as well as people think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78516599 Keep in mind that the number to treat is astronomically high in a compensated health system. For example, normal death rate is less than 1% in first world countries. So how many people do you have to treat before having statistically sound information that it helps? You will need probably a sample size of at 3000 if it is amazing and upward to 10k to 20k if it's minor. If you give 1000 people the drug, and no one dies, you averted 5 deaths. If you happen to have 4 deaths or 3 deaths, it is probably within statistical variance. If you averted all 5, you'd have to show this over a population of 2000 or 3000 with no deaths before having a p value less than 0.05, which would be stastically signnificant. If you give this drug only to people who are already almost terminally ill, then you have to change the criteria on who is getting it and at what severity of disease. This is an off label use for a medication that could be used for people who really need it for disabling autoimmune disease. There's an opportunity cost to taking a drug that is in limited supply used for a drug that DOES work and then taking it to treat a ton of people where it "might work". Then all the people who normally would use it for their disease where it is KNOWN to work won't be able to get it and their morbidity goes up. Catch 22. Apparently they have a different drug in mind to become the standard treatment? Quoting: CK Dexter Haven :lmmoney: Last Edited by CK Dexter Haven on 03/29/2020 05:22 PM |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/29/2020 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the article: Quoting: LoneStarRising The Democrats, the media, and people who despise the president don’t want these trials to succeed. Three Democrat governors have gone so far as to ban the use of the drug cocktail. And one has even threatened action against doctors who prescribe it. Which is an odd juxtaposition for the days we live in. It appears that the President cares more about their constituents in their states than their own governors do. [link to townhall.com (secure)] EXACTLY. And the Dems are now terrified that trump's going to get mega-credit for promoting the treatment while Dems were downplaying it and hoping it would fail (more deaths means more potential blame for Trump). |
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Ryain
User ID: 78136870 United States 03/29/2020 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yay! Quoting: Prayandprepare000 It can have serious side effects so be forewarned. Not as serious as dying of virus though. Actually, side effects are minimal compared to the formerly-used form (Chloroquine), and any side effects are usually seen only during long-term treatment, not short-term like with COVID-19. I have a couple of auto-immune disorders and I'm on this medication. It's life changing for many people! Thanks for sticking up for us! Was worried about my refill, but I had no problem getting it. A lot of people on my other forum, are having a hard time getting it refilled. Ryain |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78535400 United States 03/29/2020 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NYC is using this and it isn't working as well as people think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78516599 Keep in mind that the number to treat is astronomically high in a compensated health system. For example, normal death rate is less than 1% in first world countries. So how many people do you have to treat before having statistically sound information that it helps? You will need probably a sample size of at 3000 if it is amazing and upward to 10k to 20k if it's minor. If you give 1000 people the drug, and no one dies, you averted 5 deaths. If you happen to have 4 deaths or 3 deaths, it is probably within statistical variance. If you averted all 5, you'd have to show this over a population of 2000 or 3000 with no deaths before having a p value less than 0.05, which would be stastically signnificant. If you give this drug only to people who are already almost terminally ill, then you have to change the criteria on who is getting it and at what severity of disease. This is an off label use for a medication that could be used for people who really need it for disabling autoimmune disease. There's an opportunity cost to taking a drug that is in limited supply used for a drug that DOES work and then taking it to treat a ton of people where it "might work". Then all the people who normally would use it for their disease where it is KNOWN to work won't be able to get it and their morbidity goes up. Catch 22. there is no catch 22... RA is highly manageable via eating the right diet. i have a family member that went the "drugs" route at first and it made little difference... she changed her diet and voila!!! walking up and down stairs like a champ and walking 4 or 5 miles a day. no one cares about a study right now for its prophylactic use (we can look at this after the crisis is abated) but people on their death beds gasping for air? it is a game changer. but the real kicker here is NIH already admitted it was effective back in 2005... yep... you heard right... munchkin boy fauci has known it worked since 2005. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] they are trying to usher in communism with this thing. as far as the deaths in the usa? i've been watching the numbers like a hawk... they were trending lower and lower and then all of a sudden? they reversed trend? yeah right. they changed reporting criteria. . |
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User ID: 77028752 Switzerland 03/29/2020 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is suspicious they're trying to discredit this treatment out of hand when there seems to be substantial evidence it may be very helpful. Quoting: CK Dexter Haven Twitter going as far as to censor posts on it. I promise you you will be wrong. This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen pushed because of political reasons in all my years of living. New Orleans doctors already shat all over this bogus shit two days ago. Said it was dangerous because of prolonged QT and liver problems. I guarantee you this is nothing more than a political kick the can stunt by a bunch if neurotic devils. Wrong about what? What did I say that's wrong? This subject really pushes a nerve. |
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BeSkeptical
User ID: 46420627 United States 03/29/2020 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're referring to hospital usage--the governor has specifically forbidden outpatient prescription. The whole point here is that HCQ is best taken when symptoms first start, before the patient needs a hospital--or even before (as a preventative). The Polish government approved chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 on March 12. [link to twitter.com (secure)] Poland, a nation of 38 million people, has suffered only 22 COVID-19 deaths. [link to www.worldometers.info (secure)] Last Edited by BeSkeptical on 03/29/2020 05:44 PM |
BeSkeptical
User ID: 46420627 United States 03/29/2020 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I'm talking about ICU use. I have a few colleagues who are ICU doctors in NYC metropolitan area. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78516599 Exactly. ICU is way too late! Frankly, you have just told us why NYC is swimming in COVID-19 deaths. Tell them to prescribe HCQ on an outpatient basis, when symptoms first appear. (Cuomo be damned!) And tell them to prescribe it for themselves as a preventative. Last Edited by BeSkeptical on 03/29/2020 05:48 PM |
LoneStarRising
Forum Moderator User ID: 72273633 United States 03/29/2020 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I'm talking about ICU use. I have a few colleagues who are ICU doctors in NYC metropolitan area. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78516599 Exactly. ICU is way too late! Tell them to prescribe HCQ on an outpatient basis, when symptoms first appear. And tell them to prescribe it for themselves as a preventative. Almost all that need ICU have already developed Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS.) Whole other set of issues once people reach that stage. LoneStarRising |
panther0621
User ID: 27944307 United States 03/29/2020 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My doctor refused. Even for a close family member battling stage 4 cancer, and my asthmatic child. California... Yay! Quoting: Prayandprepare000 It can have serious side effects so be forewarned. Not as serious as dying of virus though. Actually, side effects are minimal compared to the formerly-used form (Chloroquine), and any side effects are usually seen only during long-term treatment, not short-term like with COVID-19. Your right that you do not want to take that drug for a long time. look up right here about side effects of quinines. www.quinism.org |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78535400 United States 03/29/2020 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NYC is using this and it isn't working as well as people think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78516599 Keep in mind that the number to treat is astronomically high in a compensated health system. For example, normal death rate is less than 1% in first world countries. So how many people do you have to treat before having statistically sound information that it helps? You will need probably a sample size of at 3000 if it is amazing and upward to 10k to 20k if it's minor. If you give 1000 people the drug, and no one dies, you averted 5 deaths. If you happen to have 4 deaths or 3 deaths, it is probably within statistical variance. If you averted all 5, you'd have to show this over a population of 2000 or 3000 with no deaths before having a p value less than 0.05, which would be stastically signnificant. If you give this drug only to people who are already almost terminally ill, then you have to change the criteria on who is getting it and at what severity of disease. This is an off label use for a medication that could be used for people who really need it for disabling autoimmune disease. There's an opportunity cost to taking a drug that is in limited supply used for a drug that DOES work and then taking it to treat a ton of people where it "might work". Then all the people who normally would use it for their disease where it is KNOWN to work won't be able to get it and their morbidity goes up. Catch 22. there is no catch 22... RA is highly manageable via eating the right diet. i have a family member that went the "drugs" route at first and it made little difference... she changed her diet and voila!!! walking up and down stairs like a champ and walking 4 or 5 miles a day. no one cares about a study right now for its prophylactic use (we can look at this after the crisis is abated) but people on their death beds gasping for air? it is a game changer. but the real kicker here is NIH already admitted it was effective back in 2005... yep... you heard right... munchkin boy fauci has known it worked since 2005. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] they are trying to usher in communism with this thing. as far as the deaths in the usa? i've been watching the numbers like a hawk... they were trending lower and lower and then all of a sudden? they reversed trend? yeah right. they changed reporting criteria. . RA is very complex. The entity is not a one solution box. In fact, RA has subtypes and what is working for your family member doesn't necessarily work for all. There are plenty of people who don't get better on this medication and are on biolgics like enbrel, humira, and remicade. For those that are on it - getting great results - then having it pulled from them - that's devasating. i find it almost a zero probability that anyone has had this med "pulled" from them. that said? RA isn't a contagious virus that has shut down a country and is killing people in the thousands with the potential for a lot more. let's get our priorities straight! . |
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