SOME PERSPECTIVE: CDC Statistical Estimates for the 2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season Compared With COVID-19

with only 19 deaths in India, 23 deaths in Mexico and 3500 deaths in America


clearly this is the biggest hoax ever

If we are unsure of how many people are infected, explain to me how we KNOW 13% will be hospitalized? You're completely full of shit and spreading disinformation purposefully. Fucking shill.

Is there a way to just the see the numbers for a specific city that is hard hit by both, over a specific time frame?

I'm on the fence with this but these stats don't strike me as terribly useful atm because the flu obviously had a huge head start and is already spread globally and Covid is still spreading.

It's basically like comparing covid now to Covid in December. Obviously Covid now is worse.

Flu being a worse overall disease atm is true numbers wise but misleading, it assumes both diseases have peaked and run their course.

The only way they are getting to that number, is if they start adding homicides,suicides and accidental deaths. Which they probably already are doing.

It's because their healthcare is so much better than ours ...lmao!

1. There is strong evidence there are multiple strains now. A recent article published estimates 8. Some are more or less lethal.

2. The death rate lags the infections by 3 to 4 weeks. India and Mexico are just getting started

3. Countries lie, we know China cooked the books and Iran just stopped reporting, the more honest countries seem to have a higher reported death rates.

Time will tell, we are only now just getting stared with this mess.

saw similar on Fluview

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Key Points
•Nationally, the percent of laboratory specimens testing positive for influenza at clinical laboratories continued to decrease while ILI activity continued to increase. More people are seeking care for respiratory illness due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

•Nationally, influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses are the most commonly reported influenza viruses this season. Previously, influenza B/Victoria viruses predominated nationally.

•Laboratory confirmed influenza-associated hospitalization rates for the U.S. population overall are higher than most recent seasons and rates for children 0-4 years and adults 18-49 years are the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Hospitalization rates for school-aged children (5-17 years) are higher than any recent regular season but remain lower than rates experienced by this age group during the pandemic.

•Pneumonia and influenza mortality levels have been low, but 155 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher than recorded at the same time in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic.

•CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu.

•Antiviral medications are an important adjunct to flu vaccine in the control of influenza. Almost all (>99%) of the influenza viruses tested this season are susceptible to the four FDA-approved

The current flu season is now winding down. These are the Preliminary Burden Estimates for the 2019-2020 Flu Season from the CDC.

Note that the figures for these four categories are only mid-line compared to the CDC estimate ranges.

U.S. Influenza-Related from October 1, 2019 to March 14, 2020:

TOTAL ILLNESSES: 46,000,000
MEDICAL VISITS: 22,000,000
HOSPITALIZATIONS: 565,000
DEATHS: 43,000 (including 100 children)

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Here are the U.S. COVID-19 stats as of March 31, 2020:

TOTAL ILLNESSES: 175,669
HOSPITALIZATIONS: 22,000
DEATHS: 3,424

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World Health Organization mid-line estimate for Influenza during 2019-2020 Flu Season:

GLOBAL DEATHS: 470,000

TOTAL GLOBAL COVID-19 DEATHS AS OF 3/31/20: 37,272

I find your response to be childish. The point if you like is that we can only go off of known data. If we use hypothetical numbers we have no basis or handle on this pandemic.We are only guessing. Just as models are only as good as the data inputted. So you can either A. use current known data sets or B. Use hypothetical data.

Or you could just as easily look at the available data and NYC hospitals being overwhelmed if you like. But something tells me that no facts or critical thinking will actually convince people.

We know that this virus is highly infectious and is a severe respiratory illness. Based on that alone it's common sense. Flu symptoms vs COVID-19 symptoms are much different. Not to mention that there is no vaccine or known cure. To many people here trying to stop the GLP effect. I guess or just naive.

The point being you have very little known data and what you do have is speculation because you have no idea how many people have been exposed. You fail to address that the CDC it's self found a respiratory illness (not flu) that was fairly wide spread as far back as December 2019. If that is indeed the case this virus has spread much farther than the numbers would indicate from a mid January outbreak. You throw around 13% like that's anything other than pie in the sky. 13% of what? Cases that have recently been tested for? That number drops completely out of sight if even 5-10% of the country has been exposed. I apologize for calling you a name. I'm tired of seeing numbers thrown around here like facts when they're obviously anything but. The fact of the matter is we're not getting the whole story. That I truly believe is by design.

There you go again bringing reality into the media/democrat/rino panic frenzy. You’re gonna mess up a perfectly good economic collapse.

Thanks! More perspective is always a good thing. One would think that our media would be doing the same thing, unless of course....they have an agenda?

I truly suspect that this issue of shutdown is related to something bigger than the virus, because these people must know that they’re toast otherwise if/when we get to the other side of this.

That death number is fucking huge

something tells me that the CDC lied about H1N1

Its still here, still spreading and highly active and extremely lethal

The current flu season is now winding down. These are the Preliminary Burden Estimates for the 2019-2020 Flu Season from the CDC.

Note that the figures for these four categories are only mid-line compared to the CDC estimate ranges.

U.S. Influenza-Related from October 1, 2019 to March 14, 2020:

TOTAL ILLNESSES: 46,000,000
MEDICAL VISITS: 22,000,000
HOSPITALIZATIONS: 565,000
DEATHS: 43,000 (including 100 children)

[link to www.cdc.gov (secure)]


Here are the U.S. COVID-19 stats as of March 31, 2020:

TOTAL ILLNESSES: 175,669
HOSPITALIZATIONS: 22,000
DEATHS: 3,424

[link to www.worldometers.info (secure)]


World Health Organization mid-line estimate for Influenza during 2019-2020 Flu Season:

GLOBAL DEATHS: 470,000

TOTAL GLOBAL COVID-19 DEATHS AS OF 3/31/20: 37,272

What about all the people who are infected but don’t go to the hospital? Or that are asymptotic?

Exactly... Which is why I keep asking about how these numbers compare in a sample. Say, new York. Over the past week. Flu vs Covid. That sounds like a useful comparison. This entire flu season vs. Covid is not.

I, like a few people with common sense on this forum have been saying this since day fuking 2 of this scam.

Apparently, a lot of people are loosing their ability to think here & are loosing their shit over this thing.

Reality completely thrown out the window.

Ok, I'll bite on. Strawman arguments piss me off.

Italy calculates their flu deaths different than the majority of the world. That's why statistically they say they lose about 300 people a year from the flu. How does that make any sense when comparing populations and flu deaths to any other Western country.

What a coincidence that a country that calculates the flu death different than the rest of the world to show very few flu deaths is facing the worst of the "pandemic" right at the time when people are comparing the numbers to the flu.

Currently the entire Western world is calculating COVID deaths strangely. Flu deaths are being wrapped up into it because COVID is quite similar to it. That's why it's called a strain of the coronavirus aka common cold/flu strains. The tests are coming back false-positive very frequently and complications of it are very similar to complications of the flu. Even then the numbers are still ridiculously low compared to the flu.

Could it be that this is a new strain of the flu which can cause a pneumonia-like complication... much like the flu?

Oh no, that's impossible because the TV tells me it's going to get really bad really soon even though the death numbers aren't there. I'll just cross reference how Italy records stats to the way the U.S. does and pretend they're the same to try to prove my point...

Next let's compare the way China records stats. Hey look, the pandemic is over!