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no mild-unnoticeable cases. lots of dead in the streets. No infrastructure left after a week.
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It was said from the beginning that this virus was not meant to kill the masses of people. It was meant to INFECT everyone, kill a percentage, send everyone into a panic and collapse countries. Can't remember any other virus that was designed to infect everyone with the properties it has.

So far, they nailed the design.
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If a virus is too lethal, it kills most of its victims so quickly that it can't keep spreading to other new victims. That was the case with the Ebola Virus.

The same is true if a microbe causes symptoms so immediately that infected people can be quickly singled out and isolated.
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I bet these doctors are dealing with poisonings, and multiple viruses. Multiple Coronas, multiple H1N?, SARS, Bird Flu, etc.

Symptoms are broad spectrum
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According to a couple of studies I've read, people with

existing infections of the gut, do the worst and end up in critical condition.

The HIV envelope disables the immune system and these infections immediately explode.

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Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance!

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I once read a post on here about chimeric viruses. That could definitely be what is going on.

There are 2 phases to a chimeric virusp. The first phase is to sread it wildly amomg the population. The second phase is to kill as many people as possible.

If this is a chimeric virus, then everyone is so focused on the first phase (the flu symptoms and pneumonia) that they are missing the second phase, which is what is really killing them.

It is probably a bioengineered virus...but i also have another theory.

They also use chimeric virus in medical research these days...to kill cancers, and to do gene therapy, etc...

What if this was a chimeric virus that was created for medicals use, and one escaped from the lab and mutated?

Or maybe a scientist who was pretending to study chimeric viruses for medical uses, was actually studying them for bioweapons. A "Breaking Bad virologist", if you will.

I hope I'm wrong.

It would make a good plot for a James Bond movie, though.
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I once read a post on here about chimeric viruses. That could definitely be what is going on.

There are 2 phases to a chimeric virusp. The first phase is to sread it wildly amomg the population. The second phase is to kill as many people as possible.

If this is a chimeric virus, then everyone is so focused on the first phase (the flu symptoms and pneumonia) that they are missing the second phase, which is what is really killing them.

It is probably a bioengineered virus...but i also have another theory.

They also use chimeric virus in medical research these days...to kill cancers, and to do gene therapy, etc...

What if this was a chimeric virus that was created for medicals use, and one escaped from the lab and mutated?

Or maybe a scientist who was pretending to study chimeric viruses for medical uses, was actually studying them for bioweapons. A "Breaking Bad virologist", if you will.

I hope I'm wrong.

It would make a good plot for a James Bond movie, though.
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Its called a double vector in the genetics field.

it actually happens every day in real life.
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wow, ventilators are what is killing people
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wow, ventilators are what is killing people
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Would explain why the Democrats are suddenly desperate to get their hands on them.
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Jake,

I bought a bottle 90 x 450mg of Wormwood pills.

Why isn't wormwood on your list? Its a flower that has been used extensively for anti-malaria and is a natural version of HC .

What's your opinion on Wormwood, or anyone else ?
 Quoting: DeploraVision ™


Wormwood is a bitter herb they are always good when there is digestive involvement.

About 40% with coronavirus have digestive involvement because they have other low grade infections in their gut.

According to a story on Fox News The people with digestive involvement end up in critical condition
 Quoting: Jake


Its obvious to me we have multiple disorders / diseases we are treating but, in Italy and China people were dying with Cytokine storm. This means they drown within 12 hours.

Taking Zinc will accelerate this to 6-8hrs if a person winds up with Cytokine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35676288

Zinc is a powerful antiviral but you can
decrease the Zinc and increase the angelica root, Cinchona bark, EGCG and Tinospora cordifolia.

All four of them known to stop the cytokine storm.

both EGCG and Tinospora proven in clinicals studies.
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Jake tell them Elderberry is BAD for the CYTOKINE Storm

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Tell him to George Webb this shit!
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[link to www.sinobiological.com (secure)]

Cytokines play a very important role in nearly all aspects of inflammation and immunity. Interleukins are a type of cytokines that were first seen to be expressed by leukocytes.
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DO NOT TAKE ELDERBERRY


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The Sambucol preparations increased the production of five cytokines (1.3-6.2 fold) compared to the control. Protec induced only a moderate production of IL-8 (1.6 fold) and IL-10 (2.3 fold) while Chizukit N caused only a moderate increase in IL-10 production (1.4 fold). Both Protec and Chizukit N caused moderate decreases in IL-1 beta, TNF alpha and IL-6 production. Lipopolysaccharide, a known activator of monocytes, induced the highest levels of cytokine production (3.6-10.7 fold).
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 Quoting: bleep


I thought it was ok to take as a preventative but a no no for if you’ve contracted covid.


There are other sources for zinc
The Lipopolysaccharides in the Elderberry Increases IL6 Interleukin 6.
The direct pathway the virus is taking is IL6.
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It’s five DIFFERENT things. Sometimes.
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Wormwood is a bitter herb they are always good when there is digestive involvement.

About 40% with coronavirus have digestive involvement because they have other low grade infections in their gut.

According to a story on Fox News The people with digestive involvement end up in critical condition
 Quoting: Jake


Its obvious to me we have multiple disorders / diseases we are treating but, in Italy and China people were dying with Cytokine storm. This means they drown within 12 hours.

Taking Zinc will accelerate this to 6-8hrs if a person winds up with Cytokine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35676288

Zinc is a powerful antiviral but you can
decrease the Zinc and increase the angelica root, Cinchona bark, EGCG and Tinospora cordifolia.

All four of them known to stop the cytokine storm.

both EGCG and Tinospora proven in clinicals studies.
 Quoting: Jake


Jake tell them Elderberry is BAD for the CYTOKINE Storm

Thread: DO NOT TAKE ELDERBERRY
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yes it is, as are most herbs from the ragweed family.

Plants in the Compositae (daisy) family that are commonly used in western herbal medicine include ragweed, arnica, boneset, calendula, chamomile, yarrow, burdock, artemisia (including wormwood, mugwort and southernwood), thistles (including milk thistle), daisy, chicory, tansy, wild lettuce (all Lactuca species), goldenrod, dandelion.

Last Edited by Slowly awakening on 04/05/2020 12:10 AM
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It was said from the beginning that this virus was not meant to kill the masses of people. It was meant to INFECT everyone, kill a percentage, send everyone into a panic and collapse countries. Can't remember any other virus that was designed to infect everyone with the properties it has.

So far, they nailed the design.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73458715


If a virus is too lethal, it kills most of its victims so quickly that it can't keep spreading to other new victims. That was the case with the Ebola Virus.

The same is true if a microbe causes symptoms so immediately that infected people can be quickly singled out and isolated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77274584


I bet these doctors are dealing with poisonings, and multiple viruses. Multiple Coronas, multiple H1N?, SARS, Bird Flu, etc.

Symptoms are broad spectrum
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35676288


According to a couple of studies I've read, people with

existing infections of the gut, do the worst and end up in critical condition.

The HIV envelope disables the immune system and these infections immediately explode.
 Quoting: Jake


Really
Well connect this dot.

Professor Jeong Goo-bo of Gachon University Lee Gil Ya Cancer and Diabetes Institute, also said, “I believe L. gasseri, derived from plants, can be effective in preventing COVID-19 spread because it affects the activation of purine enzyme, the energy source for AIDS, hepatitis, Ebola, and COVID-19 virus.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
This study confirmed that sea buckthorn leaves and berries are a rich source of phenolic compounds, especially quercetin derivatives and hydrocinnamic acid derivatives
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Its obvious to me we have multiple disorders / diseases we are treating but, in Italy and China people were dying with Cytokine storm. This means they drown within 12 hours.

Taking Zinc will accelerate this to 6-8hrs if a person winds up with Cytokine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35676288

Zinc is a powerful antiviral but you can
decrease the Zinc and increase the angelica root, Cinchona bark, EGCG and Tinospora cordifolia.

All four of them known to stop the cytokine storm.

both EGCG and Tinospora proven in clinicals studies.
 Quoting: Jake


Jake tell them Elderberry is BAD for the CYTOKINE Storm

Thread: DO NOT TAKE ELDERBERRY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77462041


yes it is, as are most herbs from the ragweed family.

Plants in the Compositae (daisy) family that are commonly used in western herbal medicine include ragweed, arnica, boneset, calendula, chamomile, yarrow, burdock, artemisia (including wormwood, mugwort and southernwood), thistles (including milk thistle), daisy, chicory, tansy, wild lettuce (all Lactuca species), goldenrod, dandelion.
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There are far less evasive oxygen delivery systems that you don't intubate with. These machines require the person to be in a semi medicated coma to use, and tubes are run down your throat into your lungs, it's serious shit. Many of them just need a supplementary oxygen mask and tank. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they are killing people with them, and cashing in making these machines.
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This person is in front of a green screen.
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And no, I’m not fucking joking.
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Cytokines play a very important role in nearly all aspects of inflammation and immunity. Interleukins are a type of cytokines that were first seen to be expressed by leukocytes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77462041




DO NOT TAKE ELDERBERRY


[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

The Sambucol preparations increased the production of five cytokines (1.3-6.2 fold) compared to the control. Protec induced only a moderate production of IL-8 (1.6 fold) and IL-10 (2.3 fold) while Chizukit N caused only a moderate increase in IL-10 production (1.4 fold). Both Protec and Chizukit N caused moderate decreases in IL-1 beta, TNF alpha and IL-6 production. Lipopolysaccharide, a known activator of monocytes, induced the highest levels of cytokine production (3.6-10.7 fold).
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I thought it was ok to take as a preventative but a no no for if you’ve contracted covid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77462041


There are other sources for zinc
The Lipopolysaccharides in the Elderberry Increases IL6 Interleukin 6.
The direct pathway the virus is taking is IL6.



Tinospora cordifolia protects against inflammation associated anemia by modulating inflammatory cytokines

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

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Intubation is considered to be a high risk procedure. An interesting study would be to know of those with severe pneumonia how many had a flu vaccine in the last three years and which type it was. It has been proven that the quadrivilent type flu vaccine complicates coronavirus infections and susceptibility.
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Intubation is considered to be a high risk procedure. An interesting study would be to know of those with severe pneumonia how many had a flu vaccine in the last three years and which type it was. It has been proven that the quadrivilent type flu vaccine complicates coronavirus infections and susceptibility.
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Thread: Flu vaccine raises vulnerability to coronavirus

Thread: Vaccine campaign in Italy in Jan'20 -Now the worst hitten region with CV Bergamo/Brescia

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Ooooooo, check out cnn.com. "Paid partner content" !

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CNN has sponsors too, and does not work for free. Shocking!
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Wonder if they need to be shielded from 5G which causes oxygen problems
such as described.is it rrlated to your serum ferrotom levels or heavy metsls from Vaccines hit with 5G. Jad a dream about this. Ypu put them in hyperbaric oxygen chamber inside a faraday cage in the dream
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Unreal I just watched this video and was telling my wife if this is true they should put these patience in a hyperbaric chamber. I didn’t throw the faraday cage in but why not to rule out 5G. I was just thinking of trying to help the oxygen transport. Someone should check if higher altitudes are having more difficulty with the covid crisis.
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kidneys produce a hormone called EPO.

EPO makes your body produce red blood cells.

THe kidneys are full of ACE2 receptors.

Everyone who suffers from this disease takes some damage to their kidneys.

While the kidneys are being attacked... they don't produce EPO...

Your body has a drastic decrease in red blood cells.

You have a much harder time getting oxygen.

The virus also attacks ACE2 receptors in the lungs.

The virus also attacks your lymphocytes, wiping out one layer of your immune system.

Altogether, the low oxygen levels in the body and lack of an immune system lead to the bacteria prevotella multiplying like crazy. This causes bacterial pneumonia in the lungs at this point.

AT this point the body tries to fight all this bacterial and viral infection with the only immune system it has... cytokines. You then get massive inflamation in the lungs and a cytokine storm that can damage your entire body. Leading to a runaway cascade of more and more damage and inflammation...

So....

You need to catch the disease early. First onset of symptoms... before your immune system is wiped out... before you get bacterial co-infections... before cytokine storms... before multi-organ damage and/or failure...

and treat it with an antiviral, an antibiotic, and an anti inflammatory.

I learned all this by the middle of February by reading reports made by Chinese doctors.

Do American doctors just not read the reports coming out of other countries? WTF
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wow, ventilators are what is killing people
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Thread: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine
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I once read a post on here about chimeric viruses. That could definitely be what is going on.

There are 2 phases to a chimeric virusp. The first phase is to sread it wildly amomg the population. The second phase is to kill as many people as possible.

If this is a chimeric virus, then everyone is so focused on the first phase (the flu symptoms and pneumonia) that they are missing the second phase, which is what is really killing them.

It is probably a bioengineered virus...but i also have another theory.

They also use chimeric virus in medical research these days...to kill cancers, and to do gene therapy, etc...

What if this was a chimeric virus that was created for medicals use, and one escaped from the lab and mutated?

Or maybe a scientist who was pretending to study chimeric viruses for medical uses, was actually studying them for bioweapons. A "Breaking Bad virologist", if you will.

I hope I'm wrong.

It would make a good plot for a James Bond movie, though.
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Its called a double vector in the genetics field.

it actually happens every day in real life.
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Yes, but the article I read said that bioengineered chimeric viruses are an evil virologist's wet dream...
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kidneys produce a hormone called EPO.

EPO makes your body produce red blood cells.

THe kidneys are full of ACE2 receptors.

Everyone who suffers from this disease takes some damage to their kidneys.

While the kidneys are being attacked... they don't produce EPO...

Your body has a drastic decrease in red blood cells.

You have a much harder time getting oxygen.

The virus also attacks ACE2 receptors in the lungs.

The virus also attacks your lymphocytes, wiping out one layer of your immune system.

Altogether, the low oxygen levels in the body and lack of an immune system lead to the bacteria prevotella multiplying like crazy. This causes bacterial pneumonia in the lungs at this point.

AT this point the body tries to fight all this bacterial and viral infection with the only immune system it has... cytokines. You then get massive inflamation in the lungs and a cytokine storm that can damage your entire body. Leading to a runaway cascade of more and more damage and inflammation...

So....

You need to catch the disease early. First onset of symptoms... before your immune system is wiped out... before you get bacterial co-infections... before cytokine storms... before multi-organ damage and/or failure...

and treat it with an antiviral, an antibiotic, and an anti inflammatory.

I learned all this by the middle of February by reading reports made by Chinese doctors.

Do American doctors just not read the reports coming out of other countries? WTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77967240


Here is a homeopathic approach to treating it. Don't laugh. A month ago, the Indian government told people to take homeopathic arsenicum album amd everyone laughed. But a month later, the US and Europe are overrun with cases, and India only has 2000 cases.

Homeopathy has a long history of succeess in pandemics.

Great article below.


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Worth a look at...we all know Bill's work


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Shut off the 60 GHz transceivers in the hospital!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duh!

60 GHz prevents oxygen from being absorbed by hemoglobin in the blood.

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cure for Covid.

- Cinchona bark powder (quinine) 500 mg. twice daily

- Angelica Archangelica root powder 500 mg. twice daily.

- Rose Hips powder 500 mgs 4 times daily.

- EGCG with Quercetin by Life extension foundation. 3 times daily.

- Tinospora cordifolia 1 cap twice daily.

- zinc 25 mgs daily
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Are you sure, Jake? Is this to keep from getting it, or to cure it after you have it?
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I think this idea, along with HCQS, is to avoid having it get beyond the ACE2 cells in the lungs.

Once that happens, other shit starts breaking down, and we don't know what to do. So I would try those sorts of things, because you can do a lot more to cure yourself at home than they can in the hospital once you're bad enough to be admitted.
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What other shit starts breaking down? Like other organs?
Doom is not dead.
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The most hit country wil be the united states because (COVID) alias pacman like to attach to fat tissue.
Fast food wil kill you
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The most hit country wil be the united states because (COVID) alias pacman like to attach to fat tissue.
Fast food wil kill you
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close, it kills most people with diabetes
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