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When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven

 
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When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
I understand that when a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven, the same place that Jesus promised on the cross to another robber. Before Jesus, when the saints died, they went to the better half of the hut, which was called the hem of Abraham. When Jesus died, He emptied that place and took the Old Testament Saints to paradise.

I understand that the believer's actual salary will be received before the judgment seat of Jesus in heaven (the so-called behma seat) after the resurrection at the same time as the ascended ones will be rewarded in heaven before the marriage of the Lamb. So not immediately after his death.

Of that judgment, Paul writes that fire is a temptation for every building of faith, and if the building endures, then he must receive a reward. He has built from precious building materials. If someone gets so bad that the whole faith building is back, then he will be left without pay. He has lived as a believer in himself and in the flesh, but because he has built Jesus on the foundation, that is, in faith in Jesus, he will still be saved because of the blood of Jesus. No one will be sent to destruction before the judgment seat of Christ, but those who have not been children of God will not even be brought before the judgment seat of Jesus. However, this is a completely different matter from the purgatory taught by Catholics.

The Saints will not even be condemned to the Last Judgment, but their only judgment will be here in heaven. Only after that wage judgment will the church become clean and spotless without any wrinkles, a beautiful bride that Jesus has fallen in love with. He then introduces his bride to the Father.

So what is that salary? Believers have been promised the crown of salvation. Those who have loved the coming of Jesus have been promised a wreath of righteousness (the crown in the original text). It is said that the glory of some is greater than that of others and those who have many people in righteousness may have shone as stars in the sky. It may be that the heavenly dwelling is an awesome lullaby in some and a little more modest in others, which, however, is beyond our wildest imagination. The location of this dwelling may be a reward for some closer to the throne of God than for others. Some live in Heavenly Jerusalem and others perhaps in the surrounding "countryside." There are certainly many of these reward opportunities and each one is much larger and more glorious than we might expect.

These are my understanding of the matter, and I do not claim to know everything about them at all. I look forward to that day and to hear from Jesus that you will come to the joy of your good and faithful servant Lord. God alone knows how His will and desires have been fulfilled in me. I know that in myself I would not even be heavenly, but because of the blood and atonement of Jesus, I still believe that I will at least get to heaven.
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
just made up.
Just don't make anything up.
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Stfu

Pray it away briantard

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04/07/2020 11:32 AM
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
You got this wrong
Because that teaching is the mouth of the beasts false translation


I understand that the believer's actual salary will be received before the judgment seat of Jesus in heaven (the so-called behma seat) a

It actually says if you read the original greek

THE ( OR HE OR ONE) FOR ALL US APPEARED AS BEHOVED BEFORE THE BEMATOS , THE CHRIST. THAT BOSRE CARRIED OFF AND PROVIDED FOR EVERYONE. THIS FOR THE SAKE OF THE BODY.
IN VIEW OF AND IN LIGHT OF AND TO THE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT CONTINUALLY DONE IN THE BODY, IF AND BOTH GOOD IF AND BOTH EVIL.
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You got this wrong
Because that teaching is the mouth of the beasts false translation


I understand that the believer's actual salary will be received before the judgment seat of Jesus in heaven (the so-called behma seat) a

It actually says if you read the original greek

THE ( OR HE OR ONE) FOR ALL US APPEARED AS BEHOVED BEFORE THE BEMATOS , THE CHRIST. THAT BORE, CARRIED OFF AND BROUGHT BACK AND PROVIDED FOR EVERYONE. THIS FOR THE SAKE OF THE BODY.
IN VIEW OF AND IN LIGHT OF AND TO THE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT CONTINUALLY DONE IN THE BODY, IF AND BOTH GOOD IF AND BOTH EVIL.
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04/07/2020 11:42 AM
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You got this wrong
Because that teaching is the mouth of the beasts false translation


I understand that the believer's actual salary will be received before the judgment seat of Jesus in heaven (the so-called behma seat) a

It actually says if you read the original greek

THE ( OR HE OR ONE) FOR ALL US APPEARED AS BEHOVED BEFORE THE BEMATOS , THE CHRIST. THAT BORE, CARRIED OFF AND BROUGHT BACK AND PROVIDED FOR EVERYONE. THIS FOR THE SAKE OF THE BODY.
IN VIEW OF AND IN LIGHT OF AND TO THE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT CONTINUALLY DONE IN THE BODY, IF AND BOTH GOOD IF AND BOTH EVIL.


And we already know that this complies with the doctrine of Jesus Christ
Unlike the false idea of believers being judged or recieving rewards ir loss based upon WORKS.
FOR THE WORD TEACHES HE EHO BELIEVES IS NOT JUDGED
ABD WE ARE TO KEEP THAT IS GAURD HIS JESUS WORDS AND HIS WORKS BY WHICH IS MEANS OF OUR JUSTFICATION HIS WORKS GOD GAVE HIM TO COMPLETE JUSTFIED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB ASWELL AS BY FAITH.
AND WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE THE CROWN OF LIFE AND HAVE BEEN MADE RIGHTIOUS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST JUSTIFIED THE CROWN OF RIGHTIOUSNESS
SO BOTH NOW WITH THE FUTURE REDEMPTION OF THE BODY THEY RESULT IN
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Yes He's Wrong...
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Unless, theoretically, you are a hardcore meditator type (and that includes sitting in a church or convent all day reciting prayers as some do, as that is mantra practice), you would go through some sort of limbo horror state and then eventually wake up as a new born baby again.. Or so the Tibetan Book of the Dead suggests, anyway.

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You got this wrong
Because that teaching is the mouth of the beasts false translation


I understand that the believer's actual salary will be received before the judgment seat of Jesus in heaven (the so-called behma seat) a

It actually says if you read the original greek

THE ( OR HE OR ONE) FOR ALL US APPEARED AS BEHOVED BEFORE THE BEMATOS , THE CHRIST. THAT BORE, CARRIED OFF AND BROUGHT BACK AND PROVIDED FOR EVERYONE. THIS FOR THE SAKE OF THE BODY.
IN VIEW OF AND IN LIGHT OF AND TO THE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT CONTINUALLY DONE IN THE BODY, IF AND BOTH GOOD IF AND BOTH EVIL.


And we already know that this complies with the doctrine of Jesus Christ
Unlike the false idea of believers being judged or recieving rewards ir loss based upon WORKS.
FOR THE WORD TEACHES HE EHO BELIEVES IS NOT JUDGED
ABD WE ARE TO KEEP THAT IS GAURD HIS JESUS WORDS AND HIS WORKS BY WHICH IS MEANS OF OUR JUSTFICATION HIS WORKS GOD GAVE HIM TO COMPLETE JUSTFIED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB ASWELL AS BY FAITH.
AND WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE THE CROWN OF LIFE AND HAVE BEEN MADE RIGHTIOUS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST JUSTIFIED THE CROWN OF RIGHTIOUSNESS
SO BOTH NOW WITH THE FUTURE REDEMPTION OF THE BODY THEY RESULT IN


He who believes is not judged
Grace is given for the human weakness of the body
Resisting grace is disobedience
This is due to ignorance still be conformed to the mind of the flesh
Thinking law thinking flesh the outcone is tresspassing mentality of law
But we are to fathon grasp we are dead to law and so dead to sin to live under grace which is the full obedience of faith.
But because we are slow the a
Ostles taught in obedience to christ we are ready to defend for every disobedience once your obeduence is full
This again was falsky translated as punish
But the word means defence defend
For it is the exact same word used by the pesistent widow
Who asked the unjust judge to defend her from her adversary
She did not adk th unjust judge to punish her.
And he who fears is not made perfect in love for fear has to do with punishment and perfect love ( GOD) casts out fear , casts out ( fear of pinishment therefore)
Aganit that was beast false translation affected by the beast ordering
The word in greek meaning punishment to be changed to torment or torture
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Not a believer only, but one’s actions must also be in accordance with the beliefs in order to go straight to third heaven.
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
I believe your main point is right though
Caught upto paradise.
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Stop with the (Rubbish)

Not one God Damn Person knows that he will be saved...

Read the bible (ITS IN THERE)...

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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Not a believer only, but one’s actions must also be in accordance with the beliefs in order to go straight to third heaven.
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Nope by grace by faith in Jesus christ only

I just wrote the apostles taught they are ready defend for every disobedience
You just were disobedient by teaching wotks salvation
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Stop with the (Rubbish)

Not one God Damn Person knows that he will be saved...

Read the bible (ITS IN THERE)...

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Jesus says i tell you the truth most assuredly he who bleieves on me HAS everlasting life and shall not be judged.
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Not a believer only, but one’s actions must also be in accordance with the beliefs in order to go straight to third heaven.
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Nope by grace by faith in Jesus christ only

I just wrote the apostles taught they are ready defend for every disobedience
You just were disobedient by teaching wotks salvation
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Matthew ch. 25 says otherwise. So watch out that you don’t end up as a victim of the ‘actions don’t matter’ scam pushed by some churches. Better safe than sorry I say.
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Food for thought. When Judas and the soldiers came to take Jesus and he asked, whom do ye seek? Why was Judas not be able to identify Jesus? Jesus told them who he was twice. Why did they not know it was him? Not even Judas could see the person he knew he betrayed. Did Jesus shapeshift? Is that why they could not see who he admitted he truly was? If he truly arrived as the Son of God , that would mean he was an extraterrestrial.
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
I believe your main point is right though
Caught upto paradise.
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hf
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Not a believer only, but one’s actions must also be in accordance with the beliefs in order to go straight to third heaven.
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Nope by grace by faith in Jesus christ only

I just wrote the apostles taught they are ready defend for every disobedience
You just were disobedient by teaching wotks salvation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23450332


Matthew ch. 25 says otherwise. So watch out that you don’t end up as a victim of the ‘actions don’t matter’ scam pushed by some churches. Better safe than sorry I say.
 Quoting: 3643297


Quote what passage your reffering to that you claim contradicts salvation by grace through belief that Jesus is the christ is the son of God
For its either a false translation or your not dividing the word of God correctly and trying to impose a old covenant law teaching in place of grace and truth of the spirit
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Re: When a believer dies, he goes to paradise in the third heaven
Not a believer only, but one’s actions must also be in accordance with the beliefs in order to go straight to third heaven.
 Quoting: 3643297


Nope by grace by faith in Jesus christ only

I just wrote the apostles taught they are ready defend for every disobedience
You just were disobedient by teaching wotks salvation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23450332


Matthew ch. 25 says otherwise. So watch out that you don’t end up as a victim of the ‘actions don’t matter’ scam pushed by some churches. Better safe than sorry I say.
 Quoting: 3643297


Quote what passage your reffering to that you claim contradicts salvation by grace through belief that Jesus is the christ is the son of God
For its either a false translation or your not dividing the word of God correctly and trying to impose a old covenant law teaching in place of grace and truth of the spirit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23450332


The entire chapter 25 is what I am referring to. Your translation or interpretation is entirely up to you. Just warning you. And besides that, almost all of Jesus’s words have to do with one’s actions and behavior, not belief. Belief only is a bait and switch scam.





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