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Food supply chains starting to crack under Covid-19.

 
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DELMARVA – A chicken company on Delmarva will be killing nearly two million chickens and not processing them for food because staffing is down amidst the COVID-19 pandemic and the plant can’t keep up. 47 ABC confirmed the report on Friday with Delmarva Poultry Industry Inc., although they would not say which company was behind the move.

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OP, you need to get a life, just saying. hf
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Agreed! After some thought on that very subject the day after I started the thread and the anxiety I was creating for myself, all in an attempt to "warn" others, I decided to hold back from proceeding any further.

So I have decided not to update this thread. I did what I thought was right sharing whats going on where I live. To continue be relaying information would only add to fear without any solutions to make things better.

There are going to be obvious disruptions. Not going to play into fear any further hf
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Disagree. Those asleep need to wake up before solutions can be found.
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I work as a data collection analyst for a major company. So its my job to search through reports for four to five hours every night and everything I read makes me want to shit in my pants.

Just tonight I read an article about Canadian farmers warning about potential food shortages because they couldn't get migrant labors in order to plant crops.

But that is just one example.

Other examples in the turd world countries is that the governments aren't allowing the farmers to ship their products to markets. So the crops are basically rotting in the field.

Or another example I saw the other night is that the EU returned a shipment back to Uruguay of about 1,200 lbs of premium meats due to lack of demand. i.e. meat that normally goes to expensive restaurants and hotels.

Or another example I saw a couple of days ago where cocoa farmers are facing hardships because the cost of cocoa is dropping below the cost that it takes for them to grow it.

And another example that I read that there were two major meat packers in the country that had to close down in order to sanitize the place because a worker got diagnosed with covid. Let me ask you how can businesses keep doing this and stay in business with a disease like this especially when sanitizing chemicals are in short supply? Imagine a company owner and having to close for 48 hours every few days.

So please people if you haven't started preparations you better. Don't be like the fuck tards that think this is gonna get better because it won't. Think about it for a second. They are using this virus as an excuse to shut down the worlds economy, and they are letting prisoners lose in order to create a crisis like the world has never seen before.

Imagine how desperate people will get when unemployment reaches over 30% and there are no government checks coming to feed you or your children. Now add a bunch of criminal scum that had no issue robbing, raping and killing during the best of times but now its the worst of times.. wtf do you think those criminals will be doing?

Think long and hard. Trump is the only one talking about getting rid of the lockdowns soon. Where as the Democrats and the media the only thing they know is lock it down and those fuckers are talking about locking us down till sometime in June. News flash this shit has only been going on for a few weeks and unemployment has jumped to 14 percent and at this level states are having difficulty paying for those benefits. But when it reaches 30% the states won't have money nor will you be able to find a job.

So if you have money do whatever you can to prepare even if its picking up some more pasta, beans and rice at the grocery store each time you visit. And if you have a job and overtime is available snag up as much as you can handle because that job might not be there in a couple more months.
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Excellent post. Green for you!
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Thanks for the heads up. Don't want to be anywhere near a store when the Trump money hits people's accounts. Going Tuesday... panic early, beat the rush!

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I work as a data collection analyst for a major company. So its my job to search through reports for four to five hours every night and everything I read makes me want to shit in my pants.

Just tonight I read an article about Canadian farmers warning about potential food shortages because they couldn't get migrant labors in order to plant crops.

But that is just one example.

Other examples in the turd world countries is that the governments aren't allowing the farmers to ship their products to markets. So the crops are basically rotting in the field.

Or another example I saw the other night is that the EU returned a shipment back to Uruguay of about 1,200 lbs of premium meats due to lack of demand. i.e. meat that normally goes to expensive restaurants and hotels.

Or another example I saw a couple of days ago where cocoa farmers are facing hardships because the cost of cocoa is dropping below the cost that it takes for them to grow it.

And another example that I read that there were two major meat packers in the country that had to close down in order to sanitize the place because a worker got diagnosed with covid. Let me ask you how can businesses keep doing this and stay in business with a disease like this especially when sanitizing chemicals are in short supply? Imagine a company owner and having to close for 48 hours every few days.

So please people if you haven't started preparations you better. Don't be like the fuck tards that think this is gonna get better because it won't. Think about it for a second. They are using this virus as an excuse to shut down the worlds economy, and they are letting prisoners lose in order to create a crisis like the world has never seen before.

Imagine how desperate people will get when unemployment reaches over 30% and there are no government checks coming to feed you or your children. Now add a bunch of criminal scum that had no issue robbing, raping and killing during the best of times but now its the worst of times.. wtf do you think those criminals will be doing?

Think long and hard. Trump is the only one talking about getting rid of the lockdowns soon. Where as the Democrats and the media the only thing they know is lock it down and those fuckers are talking about locking us down till sometime in June. News flash this shit has only been going on for a few weeks and unemployment has jumped to 14 percent and at this level states are having difficulty paying for those benefits. But when it reaches 30% the states won't have money nor will you be able to find a job.

So if you have money do whatever you can to prepare even if its picking up some more pasta, beans and rice at the grocery store each time you visit. And if you have a job and overtime is available snag up as much as you can handle because that job might not be there in a couple more months.
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Sounds about right
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I work as a data collection analyst for a major company. So its my job to search through reports for four to five hours every night and everything I read makes me want to shit in my pants.

Just tonight I read an article about Canadian farmers warning about potential food shortages because they couldn't get migrant labors in order to plant crops.

But that is just one example.

Other examples in the turd world countries is that the governments aren't allowing the farmers to ship their products to markets. So the crops are basically rotting in the field.

Or another example I saw the other night is that the EU returned a shipment back to Uruguay of about 1,200 lbs of premium meats due to lack of demand. i.e. meat that normally goes to expensive restaurants and hotels.

Or another example I saw a couple of days ago where cocoa farmers are facing hardships because the cost of cocoa is dropping below the cost that it takes for them to grow it.

And another example that I read that there were two major meat packers in the country that had to close down in order to sanitize the place because a worker got diagnosed with covid. Let me ask you how can businesses keep doing this and stay in business with a disease like this especially when sanitizing chemicals are in short supply? Imagine a company owner and having to close for 48 hours every few days.

So please people if you haven't started preparations you better. Don't be like the fuck tards that think this is gonna get better because it won't. Think about it for a second. They are using this virus as an excuse to shut down the worlds economy, and they are letting prisoners lose in order to create a crisis like the world has never seen before.

Imagine how desperate people will get when unemployment reaches over 30% and there are no government checks coming to feed you or your children. Now add a bunch of criminal scum that had no issue robbing, raping and killing during the best of times but now its the worst of times.. wtf do you think those criminals will be doing?

Think long and hard. Trump is the only one talking about getting rid of the lockdowns soon. Where as the Democrats and the media the only thing they know is lock it down and those fuckers are talking about locking us down till sometime in June. News flash this shit has only been going on for a few weeks and unemployment has jumped to 14 percent and at this level states are having difficulty paying for those benefits. But when it reaches 30% the states won't have money nor will you be able to find a job.

So if you have money do whatever you can to prepare even if its picking up some more pasta, beans and rice at the grocery store each time you visit. And if you have a job and overtime is available snag up as much as you can handle because that job might not be there in a couple more months.
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“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply. It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running. These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation’s livestock farmers. These farmers have nowhere to send their animals,” said Kenneth M. Sullivan, president and chief executive officer, for Smithfield.

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Smithfield Foods CEO

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply. It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running. These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation’s livestock farmers. These farmers have nowhere to send their animals,” said Kenneth M. Sullivan, president and chief executive officer, for Smithfield.

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Im wondering if this Smithfield Foods closure as well as other meat packing plants is a clue livestock is carrying the disease.

I know they are not saying that, but is it possible?
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Smithfield Foods CEO

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply. It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running. These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation’s livestock farmers. These farmers have nowhere to send their animals,” said Kenneth M. Sullivan, president and chief executive officer, for Smithfield.

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Im wondering if this Smithfield Foods closure as well as other meat packing plants is a clue livestock is carrying the disease.

I know they are not saying that, but is it possible?
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Tigers got it.
So anything is possible.

BTW - I was critical of the tiger testing until I saw they created their own test at the zoo so as to not use human tests.
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Smithfield Foods CEO

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply. It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running. These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation’s livestock farmers. These farmers have nowhere to send their animals,” said Kenneth M. Sullivan, president and chief executive officer, for Smithfield.

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Isn't Smithfield Farms the one that is now majority owned by the Chinese, and they announced a week or two ago that they were going to pull rank and force all current and future production to be exported to China to help feed their own population? There was a thread on GLP about it, but I might be getting the meat producer wrong.
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Isn’t big gov’t telling a lot of people to stop producing? Not only that but telling them to throw away what they already have?
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Smithfield Foods CEO

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply. It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running. These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation’s livestock farmers. These farmers have nowhere to send their animals,” said Kenneth M. Sullivan, president and chief executive officer, for Smithfield.

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Isn't Smithfield Farms the one that is now majority owned by the Chinese, and they announced a week or two ago that they were going to pull rank and force all current and future production to be exported to China to help feed their own population? There was a thread on GLP about it, but I might be getting the meat producer wrong.
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Yeah it was them. Here is the link I was thinking of. If this is all true their coronavirus outbreaks and shutdowns will likely hurt the Chinese more than Americans.

Thread: American Food Supply Collapse: China pulls ownership rank on Smithfield, ships all pork out of US to feed its own.
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OP, you need to get a life, just saying. hf
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He just left to go to work a 12 hour shift at a food processing plant in the Midwest, If what he says is true( which I believe it is) then he is warning about plants shutting down because of sick workers.
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Yep, I am following it myself. Thanks for the information, it was helpful.

Prayers for the OP. And I also been gathering information on it too. But like everything else, we doomed ourselves already a very very long time ago. Big Corporations and less and less facilities. It is all real sad.

Then you have specific industry classifications and with the restaurants closed, tons and tons food lost cause no one to buy it. Really sad too again.

I can go on and on but really, thanks for the information.
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Yes and schools are not going to be going back until fall, maybe.

I just seems to me that they could put cases of lunch milk on an empty shelf, at least there would be something( even if it came in little cartons, and the produce could be picked by consumers.

We have several orchards and fruit farms around here that will just charge by the bushel, or sell beans and other veg by the pound.

It is sad that most people would be to lazy to pick it themselves.
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Such people are not going to make it long term.
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I call bs, with all the hotels, restaurants, cafes and bars shut think of all the food not being used as normal.
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Do you think all the people who were eating in restaurants are just not eating now?
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My supermarket doesn't have Fruit Loops!!
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been weakening for several years due to poor harvests emergency back uo food has now run out what we grow is what we eat and thats likely to not be enough as crops continue to fail and farmers sell up
covid is just something else to blame it on
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Isn’t big gov’t telling a lot of people to stop producing? Not only that but telling them to throw away what they already have?
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They are also telling people to only buy what they need at the grocery store. Is there an agenda to this ?
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It is true that packaging is a challenge right now. I run the supply chain for a small pharma company. The company that makes our bottles is in Toronto Canada and they have extended production of bottles (and other containers they supply) for an additional 4 weeks (that's on top of their standard 6-8 weeks production time). Luckily, we got on it early and tripled our bottle order volumes when this thing first came out so we're covered for 2-3 mos of production until this all blows over. Any buyer/planner who didn't see this coming should find a line of work that better resonates for them.
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OP, you need to get a life, just saying. hf
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Agreed! After some thought on that very subject the day after I started the thread and the anxiety I was creating for myself, all in an attempt to "warn" others, I decided to hold back from proceeding any further.

So I have decided not to update this thread. I did what I thought was right sharing whats going on where I live. To continue be relaying information would only add to fear without any solutions to make things better.

There are going to be obvious disruptions. Not going to play into fear any further hf
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I am glad you said that. It is really hard. Thank you and God bless.
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the meat processing part is fascinating, but we have local meat. The farms are specifically for restaurants and it would take too much time and money for repacking equipment and then the fda.
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Is the Food Chain the Canary in the coal mine?

Food Chain, it made my brain hurt to work this backwards and then forwards...I probably missed things, but here it is:

The Farmer, is he well enough to plant/harvest?
Does he have all the machinery, equipment, in working order.
Does he have the seeds, the fertilizer, weed control, etc.
Crops have been harvested, are there Trucks/Truckers available to take to markets?

The Rancher, is he well enough to tend to livestock?
Does he have enough food, etc. for livestock?
Are there trucks/truckers to take livestock to processors?

Processors, are they open? Do they have the workforce they need?
Processors also need supplies to process and package the meats/ chicken/ other finished products. Are those supplies available, has that workforce been let go furloughed?

Semi Prepared Foods, Canned foods, boxed food goods, baked goods all would have similar, although not identical concerns.

Every aspect of the food chain relies upon so many other businesses.
Producers, supplies, transportation.
Workers, workforce at every step.
Transportation in between every step.
This can be said of almost any industry.

No idea what goes into Toilet Paper start to finish to market, if anyone wants to do that one!
Its not food but, apparently critical.
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Is the Food Chain the Canary in the coal mine?

Food Chain, it made my brain hurt to work this backwards and then forwards...I probably missed things, but here it is:

The Farmer, is he well enough to plant/harvest?
Does he have all the machinery, equipment, in working order.
Does he have the seeds, the fertilizer, weed control, etc.
Crops have been harvested, are there Trucks/Truckers available to take to markets?

The Rancher, is he well enough to tend to livestock?
Does he have enough food, etc. for livestock?
Are there trucks/truckers to take livestock to processors?

Processors, are they open? Do they have the workforce they need?
Processors also need supplies to process and package the meats/ chicken/ other finished products. Are those supplies available, has that workforce been let go furloughed?

Semi Prepared Foods, Canned foods, boxed food goods, baked goods all would have similar, although not identical concerns.

Every aspect of the food chain relies upon so many other businesses.
Producers, supplies, transportation.
Workers, workforce at every step.
Transportation in between every step.
This can be said of almost any industry.

No idea what goes into Toilet Paper start to finish to market, if anyone wants to do that one!
Its not food but, apparently critical.
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plenty of toilet paper, manufacturing loves you lol
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I'm a retired lady who is volunteering and starting a community garden here where I live. I'm not going to wait until there is no food available I'm going to start growing it this year.
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The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week.


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Restaurants use a lot of food. Their portions are beyond huge as it is. Maybe we'll get back to what true food portions should be.
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Lets see.....wear your mask even if we dont.

pork suppliers closing.Not beef though....pork

So no pork,wear a mask....what on earth could that mean??
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PA here. Not Philly or Pittsburgh. Outside one of the smaller cities. Went today, no truly empty shelves noted outside of TP and cleaning supplies. They did have paper napkins. Produce and fresh fruit were in abundance. Same with frozen meats and seafood. Canned veggies were plentiful. Same with bread. Oddly, turkey bacon was out of stock but there were 15 kinds of pig bacon. Lots of prepackaged deli meat.

Contact lens solution was all but sold out. No liquid hand soap.

Regular unleaded is $1.99, but we're a high gas tax state.
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04/13/2020 05:09 PM

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Re: Food supply chains starting to crack under Covid-19.
Amazon.com is very limited on choices and on amounts (2) they are willing to sell per week or so to any individual account.
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04/13/2020 05:17 PM

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Re: Food supply chains starting to crack under Covid-19.
My supermarket doesn't have Fruit Loops!!
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Even when you were there?
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A sterling, sterling retort. Lady Jayne, you are always a winner. Thanks for making my day.
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