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Covid-19 LIKE H.I.V. - GERMAN SCIENCE STUDY APPEARS IN MEDICAL JOURNAL 'NATURE'. ALSO: IT HIDES IN PEOPLE'S THROATS

 
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"The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV."

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The novel coronavirus can stow away in your throat without you knowing it, and every time you cough you’re broadsiding the people around you with the virus. To stay healthy and contain SARS-CoV-2, stay home and keep your distance.

Population-wide efforts to control coronavirus might not be so straightforward, however. The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.

Those are two of the main takeaways from an important new study by a team of 18 scientists in Germany.

Working in two separate laboratories, the scientists carefully studied the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the bodies of nine patients, taking daily measurements in order to understand each phase of the infection.

Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.


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In other words it’s an ingenious invisible enemy. Didn’t the potus trump say that?
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Yes he did.

He knows.
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It seems the dailybeast article is inserting its own bs into what the study talks about.


When aligned to viral load courses, it seems there is no abrupt virus elimination at the time of seroconversion. Rather, seroconversion early in week 2 coincides with a slow but steady decline of sputum viral load. Whether certain properties such as glycosylation pattern at critical sites of the glycoprotein play a role in the attenuation of neutralizing antibody response needs further clarification. In any case, vaccine approaches targeting mainly the induction of antibody responses should aim to induce particularl

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The Daily Beast is fake news.
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"The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV."

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The novel coronavirus can stow away in your throat without you knowing it, and every time you cough you’re broadsiding the people around you with the virus. To stay healthy and contain SARS-CoV-2, stay home and keep your distance.

Population-wide efforts to control coronavirus might not be so straightforward, however. The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.

Those are two of the main takeaways from an important new study by a team of 18 scientists in Germany.

Working in two separate laboratories, the scientists carefully studied the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the bodies of nine patients, taking daily measurements in order to understand each phase of the infection.

Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.


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If human antibodies do not destroy this virus, then how long does it stay in the body? What damage is it doing whilst it is quiescent? Does it eventually destroy the immune system?

Like HIV...?
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Antibodies don’t and have never destroyed a pathogen, double speak antibodies alert immune cells phagocytes to consume it. Double speak people.
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NOWHERE in that journal article does anything suggest that it is anything “like HIV”.
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I agree
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no shit sherlock. I knew this 3 months ago.
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Damn Germans must not be GLPers !
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Know what though...

It has walked itself into a trap then by getting itself isolated. Why? What is causing it to have to look for a place to hide?

Who is coming to get it?

Also, this would prove beyond any doubt this this is no virus at all. A virus isn't alive. A virus can't plot and think like what you have described.
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So, if I keep drinking booze, I should be fine?
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Gargle with TCP, that will kill anything.
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What is TCP?
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I'm sorry OP, but this is not what the German article says. The Daily Beast article where they talk about the virus being like HIV, was actually poorly researched and written. The same Peter Kolchinsky that you quoted says this in his Twitter in a reply to another person:


@ACiafardini . 19h
Replying to @PeterKolchinsky
Hi Peter - the daily beast article you are quoted in, one other person said the German study indicated that the virus was like HIV or Hepatitis C and that the response antibodies won’t destroy the virus. Do you share that view that’s what the study says?


@PeterKolchinsky . 19h
Just looked up that article. I disagree with any claims that antibodies won’t help clear the virus. That article is a patchwork of statements by various people taken out of context. SARS2 is nothing like HIV.
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I meant to say German study (not article). :)
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Oh sure. We can trust the Germans.
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Germans are more trust worthy then America or the British ever where. It has been 80 years since the Germans broke a treaty or agreement.

While America and Britain, violated the piss out of the Ukraine De-Nuclearization accords, when they spent over $5 billion dollars to overthrow the duly elected government of the Ukraine, because the Ukrainian President vetoed a bill to join the EU after natural gas deposits where found in the Crimea.

Britain and America, lied to start a war to invade Iraq.
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Funny, the Chinese and Americans already proven the virus kills T-Cells.

I really dont give two shots what a virologist or epidemiologist has to say.

They are a bunch of overpaid charlatans.

The proof is in the pudding.

Reinfections have been reported by those on the ground in the front lines since January. They may have seen reinfection but was more than likely reactivation.

South Korea is now seeing it also. Some with new symptoms.

And it is everything like HIV. It has the god damn spike protein built in and packaging.

Lie to my face bitch and see where it gets you.
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I'm sorry OP, but this is not what the German article says. The Daily Beast article where they talk about the virus being like HIV, was actually poorly researched and written. The same Peter Kolchinsky that you quoted says this in his Twitter in a reply to another person:


@ACiafardini . 19h
Replying to @PeterKolchinsky
Hi Peter - the daily beast article you are quoted in, one other person said the German study indicated that the virus was like HIV or Hepatitis C and that the response antibodies won’t destroy the virus. Do you share that view that’s what the study says?


@PeterKolchinsky . 19h
Just looked up that article. I disagree with any claims that antibodies won’t help clear the virus. That article is a patchwork of statements by various people taken out of context. SARS2 is nothing like HIV.
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So because one bloke says he disagrees with another that means he is right?
Jesus why do we need science anymore when we can take people at their words.

Go find the the report on how the virus kills T-Cells. Then get back with us. Scdp.com.

New York and Shanghai researchers both found it kills these cells and the old SARS virus did not.
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Scientists have made a discovery as they continue to research coronavirus, finding its cells have the ability to destroy the exact things that should be fighting it.

A team of researchers from Fudan University in Shanghai and the New York Blood Centre researched the virus’s ability to kill powerful immune cells – the exact things that are supposed to kill coronavirus.
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Obvious. They want us all to contract this thing. Slowly over time and offer the "cure" in the guise of societal control and manipulation provided by a vaccine.


Yep.
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no shit sherlock. I knew this 3 months ago.
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This ^^
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no shit sherlock. I knew this 3 months ago.
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Damn Germans must not be GLPers !
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The Indians must have been GLP'rs with their paper months ago showing this had HIV machinery in it.

This is an ELE but no book or movie was ever quite like this. This is a slow and steady removal of humans from the planet. Everyone gets it but most do not die initially. It keeps coming back and back in the body until it kills everyone.

The only way Earth humanity survives is if the gov really have a stargate or UFOs.
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NOWHERE in that journal article does anything suggest that it is anything “like HIV”.
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Lines 29 and 30:

"The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV."

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no shit sherlock. I knew this 3 months ago.
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Damn Germans must not be GLPers !
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The Indians must have been GLP'rs with their paper months ago showing this had HIV machinery in it.

This is an ELE but no book or movie was ever quite like this. This is a slow and steady removal of humans from the planet. Everyone gets it but most do not die initially. It keeps coming back and back in the body until it kills everyone.

The only way Earth humanity survives is if the gov really have a stargate or UFOs.
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Nurses and doctors on front lines in Wuhan leaked this to other doctors in UK and Tawain back in January. Spoke specifically on either reinfecrion or reactivation.

What they said was the doctors were on antivirals and cleared the virus, or si they thought, but some began to due of "heart attacks" later as antivirals weakened the heart and the virus finished them off.

Shit we knew months ago for 1000 Alex.

Now we know it attacks and kills the T-Cells and we know up to 30% of recovered patients may show low antibody build up (indicating antiviral use or malaria drugs) and we hear the seroconversion doesnt clear the virus out immediately but is a slow decline as it hides away.

Oh, and if I haven't said it once, HIV produces antibodies too. A lot of them

So the tests dont mean jack shit.

Then we have mutations and the virus around the globe that will move and be different by the time your body even tries to build any immunity.

Shit we all knew way back.
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Considering how deadly and easily transmissible this virus is how come more than half the deaths so far are in just four countries - Italy, France, the Uk and the US?

They only account for about 7 per cent of the global population but a clear majority of deaths.

Just makes no sense?
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Nothing really makes any sense of any of this.

Until we look at whose agendas are being satisfied by the chaos created, our eyes will never be open.

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Oh sure. We can trust the germans.
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well they published a whole study including epidemic data and social and economic consequences of a corona-hiv virus out of chinese wet market in 2012. Pretty accurate..10% death in 600 days with 3 waves of epidemic...the second the most letal.
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Considering how deadly and easily transmissible this virus is how come more than half the deaths so far are in just four countries - Italy, France, the Uk and the US?

They only account for about 7 per cent of the global population but a clear majority of deaths.

Just makes no sense?
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I keep saying, if this thing doesn’t kill at least 500K Indians it’s a nothingburger.
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Oh sure. We can trust the germans.
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well they published a whole study including epidemic data and social and economic consequences of a corona-hiv virus out of chinese wet market in 2012. Pretty accurate..10% death in 600 days with 3 waves of epidemic...the second the most letal.
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Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.
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I don’t trust scientists who say a virus learned something. Viri don’t learn things. Scientists who talk like that are exaggerators.
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Considering how deadly and easily transmissible this virus is how come more than half the deaths so far are in just four countries - Italy, France, the Uk and the US?

They only account for about 7 per cent of the global population but a clear majority of deaths.

Just makes no sense?
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I keep saying, if this thing doesn’t kill at least 500K Indians it’s a nothingburger.
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And how would you know?

We are now just getting leaks from japan to Dr.'s here in the US about their own conditions...finally.

One dr said colleagues have reported that they are swarmed in Tokyo.

Governments can hide and lie like no other.
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Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.
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I don’t trust scientists who say a virus learned something. Viri don’t learn things. Scientists who talk like that are exaggerators.
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Dude is just talking.

Same doctor that claims it is nothing like HIV when in fact it does almost exactly what HIV does in attacking CD4 cells and depleting both CD4 and CD8 cells. Only difference, thank god, is that it doesnt replicate within the immune cells.

Let us hope it doesn't "lesrn" that trick too. *sarcasm*
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The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.
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No, it is a single cell organism without a brain. It doesn't think and therefore isn't "clever" or "elusive".

The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,”

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No, it is a single cell organism without a brain. It doesn't learn, it evolves. It mutates rapidly and can therefore succeed when the correct combination of genetic traits and environmental factors allow it to do so. In this case, the "environment" is your throat, and this mutation of the virus apparently thrives there. Think of it like a pest swarm on a monocropped field ... nature finds a way to thrive when there is an opportunity to do so. We are the monocrop.





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