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Good info,

Also look up “Teaming with Microorganisms”

Fairly simple idea, make a bacterial culture from soil of a successful plant you want to grow. Mix the multiplied culture into your own soil before planting. PROFIT
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you know what i always find the coolest things. those closed systems they have in some bunkers. where they have fish in water with plants and those feed of something else and that in turn feeds veggies etc. forgot the name
hydrofarm?
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Aquaponics. Check out "Growing Power" in Milwaukee. Link: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

As for the book mentioned "Teaming With Microbes" I bought a first printing of the first edition when it first came out 14yrs ago.


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Good info,

Also look up “Teaming with Microorganisms”

Fairly simple idea, make a bacterial culture from soil of a successful plant you want to grow. Mix the multiplied culture into your own soil before planting. PROFIT
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you know what i always find the coolest things. those closed systems they have in some bunkers. where they have fish in water with plants and those feed of something else and that in turn feeds veggies etc. forgot the name
hydrofarm?
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Aquaponics. Check out "Growing Power" in Milwaukee. Link: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

As for the book mentioned "Teaming With Microbes" I bought a first printing of the first edition when it first came out 14yrs ago.


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Thank you!!!!
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Don't forget worm bins and the worm castings they produce. Great fertilizer. I'm tired of buying it so I have a worm bin on the way and getting red wigglers to make my own. You can make your own worm bin, too. Just have to keep the temps where the worms can stay alive. And bedding not too acid or too wet or overfed.
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If you want to have a garden that will feed your family you will need a large plot of land. I have grown a garden ever since Obummer was in office but never had enough land to rely on it as a main source of food. I had 2 gardens each were 10 feet wide and 20 feet long. I grew okra, butter beans, green beans, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash. but really only got a couple of servings a week so not enough to live off of or can. I learned to forage because there are a lot of plants that are tasty and grow all around you.
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Back To Eden Organic Gardening Film (using wood chips to grow food)
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Thank you, OP. A very beautiful documentary.
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If you want to have a garden that will feed your family you will need a large plot of land. I have grown a garden ever since Obummer was in office but never had enough land to rely on it as a main source of food. I had 2 gardens each were 10 feet wide and 20 feet long. I grew okra, butter beans, green beans, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash. but really only got a couple of servings a week so not enough to live off of or can. I learned to forage because there are a lot of plants that are tasty and grow all around you.
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Maybe try doing some research on the veggies they grow in bunkers since those systems seem to work and produce enough needed nutrients in a closed loop? but i guess those can grow all year long while youre stuck on seasons?
cool info!
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Back To Eden Organic Gardening Film (using wood chips to grow food)
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Wood chips get termites

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For later. Contemplating buying heirloom seeds & growing my own food starting this year.
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I'm a small scale vegetable farmer. I tried this. It DESTROYED the fertility of the 2000 square feet of garden I experimented with for 3 years running now.

Year 1: Worked ok. Suppressed weeds somewhat. Not nearly as good as the hype. I put the wood-chips 4 or 5 inches deep around established annuals.

Year 2: Despite valiant attempts to plant while keeping wood-chips at surface level, it became obvious quite a lot made it to subsurface levels. ANYWHERE wood-chips were covering, or were even nearby, plants were NOTICEABLY smaller, weaker, and often failed to produce at all, or were dramatically less productive.

Year 3: Raked off as many wood-chips as I could. Plants were still smaller than those in areas I treated as standard.

Apparently conventional science is right in this instance. Decomposing wood (or anything else) takes and holds nitrogen. And based on my results, I would suspect quite a lot of other nutrients.

If you don't like manual weeding (and who does?) I suggest getting a wheel hoe. I prefer the Hoss, but there are several good brands out there. Don't believe this back to Eden crap from people whose survival and future depends on the productivity of their gardens.
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Thats because wood chips take the nitrogen out of the soil or something.
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If you want to have a garden that will feed your family you will need a large plot of land. I have grown a garden ever since Obummer was in office but never had enough land to rely on it as a main source of food. I had 2 gardens each were 10 feet wide and 20 feet long. I grew okra, butter beans, green beans, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash. but really only got a couple of servings a week so not enough to live off of or can. I learned to forage because there are a lot of plants that are tasty and grow all around you.
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A squash plant will overwhelm you if you're growing zucchini or yellow squash. I can't imagine only getting a couple of servings a week out of a garden that size.

I plant tomatoes, squash, asian long beans, eggplant, peppers, lettuce, chives, okra and I had a space smaller than that. I was inundated with veggies, gave away to every neighbor on the block and donated to the senior center and froze 20 gallons of beans and tomatoes on top of all of that.
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Following. Was thinking of growing sprouts on my patio. Cheers OP.
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If you want to have a garden that will feed your family you will need a large plot of land. I have grown a garden ever since Obummer was in office but never had enough land to rely on it as a main source of food. I had 2 gardens each were 10 feet wide and 20 feet long. I grew okra, butter beans, green beans, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash. but really only got a couple of servings a week so not enough to live off of or can. I learned to forage because there are a lot of plants that are tasty and grow all around you.
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A squash plant will overwhelm you if you're growing zucchini or yellow squash. I can't imagine only getting a couple of servings a week out of a garden that size.

I plant tomatoes, squash, asian long beans, eggplant, peppers, lettuce, chives, okra and I had a space smaller than that. I was inundated with veggies, gave away to every neighbor on the block and donated to the senior center and froze 20 gallons of beans and tomatoes on top of all of that.
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He was using Brawndo
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Cool vid I found in the links. Amazing to see the possibilities!!!




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A better idea is to seed mock strawberries as ground cover -- they're self-seeding, spread very fast and as an added bonus they're edible.


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This is the complete tour of Paul Gautschi's Back to Eden garden on one video. After you watch "Back to Eden", the documentary on Paul Gautschi and his garden, this is the next video to watch. This is two hours of Paul talking about why he gardens the way he does and answering questions from people on his tour.

Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die.
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I did this four years ago now. Got large sheets of cardboard from a big box store. Ask for the ones they get that separate the pallet loads. They are like 8’x8’, have no ink and no staples. Free.. took some trips but eventually had enough to cover about 1200 square feet of lawn. Less to mow!

Our local power company brings me a huge load of wood chips free every spring too. Enough to put down about 10” all over.

So year one it just sat, cardboard under mulch for a solid year, spring to spring. Planted fruit trees the following spring and it’s been awesome. Hardly ever have to water. Trees are thriving although the deer have been another battle. The key is springtime sapling mulch mixed with hardwood mulch and some greens. It’s deep enough now that weeds just scuffle hoe right out.. What’s been really crazy is how well vegetables will grow out there too. Melons come back every year.

Other than labor, which I definitely don’t mind, it’s all been free except the trees. Grow food y’all!
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Great thread! Go vertical with vine plants: tomatoes, squash, zucchini, etc. if you’re low on space. Since we went vertical in our containers we’ve pretty much doubled our output. Easier to check for and pull/spray (organic) the bad pests, plus more sun to leaf exposure. Use stretchy vinyl gardening tape so you don’t cut your stems. (I know a lot of y’all know this already, these are just some tips for beginners.)
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Cool vid I found in the links. Amazing to see the possibilities!!!



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Fantastic, I love this!

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Some of us live in apartments, no land, in the desert no less, so no forest to forage in, no patio to put a pot to grow in. maybe I can pour compost on the concrete of my upstairs corridor.
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Also bear in mind that you can't do it all. Support your local farmers and they will remember you when times are tough. If you are able, sign up for a CSA share in a farm.

Another idea: work with neighbors. Have one family focus on chickens, another on greens, another on potatoes.

Community farming is also a good option, especially because people can help each other as familie become sick/deal with injury, etc.
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Some of us live in apartments, no land, in the desert no less, so no forest to forage in, no patio to put a pot to grow in. maybe I can pour compost on the concrete of my upstairs corridor.
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You can start a community garden even in a city. There are many. Do a google search for your area!
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This is the complete tour of Paul Gautschi's Back to Eden garden on one video. After you watch "Back to Eden", the documentary on Paul Gautschi and his garden, this is the next video to watch. This is two hours of Paul talking about why he gardens the way he does and answering questions from people on his tour.

Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die.
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Good to see you are here on GLP I’ve been following your YouTube for a bit. My farm is copying your method using wood chips, unfortunately the tree companies here all take their chips to businesses that turn them into mulch and top soil so I’ve been using my own as I clear land for fields and orchards. Your crops look great keep it up
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I love these videos!
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This is the complete tour of Paul Gautschi's Back to Eden garden on one video. After you watch "Back to Eden", the documentary on Paul Gautschi and his garden, this is the next video to watch. This is two hours of Paul talking about why he gardens the way he does and answering questions from people on his tour.

Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die.
 Quoting: Back to Eden 76756567


I did this four years ago now. Got large sheets of cardboard from a big box store. Ask for the ones they get that separate the pallet loads. They are like 8’x8’, have no ink and no staples. Free.. took some trips but eventually had enough to cover about 1200 square feet of lawn. Less to mow!

Our local power company brings me a huge load of wood chips free every spring too. Enough to put down about 10” all over.

So year one it just sat, cardboard under mulch for a solid year, spring to spring. Planted fruit trees the following spring and it’s been awesome. Hardly ever have to water. Trees are thriving although the deer have been another battle. The key is springtime sapling mulch mixed with hardwood mulch and some greens. It’s deep enough now that weeds just scuffle hoe right out.. What’s been really crazy is how well vegetables will grow out there too. Melons come back every year.

Other than labor, which I definitely don’t mind, it’s all been free except the trees. Grow food y’all!
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ok first i love this post like a horse laying his head on a stump

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Grow food now, or starve later.

Those that rely on Government to survive will die early.
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I have been working all day getting the vegetable garden back in working order and ready to plant. We can still have a frost over night where I live, so I don't plant until the oak trees start putting their leaves out.
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second i also love this stump
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Thanks back to eden awesome !!!!!! God bless
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I'm a small scale vegetable farmer. I tried this. It DESTROYED the fertility of the 2000 square feet of garden I experimented with for 3 years running now.

Year 1: Worked ok. Suppressed weeds somewhat. Not nearly as good as the hype. I put the wood-chips 4 or 5 inches deep around established annuals.

Year 2: Despite valiant attempts to plant while keeping wood-chips at surface level, it became obvious quite a lot made it to subsurface levels. ANYWHERE wood-chips were covering, or were even nearby, plants were NOTICEABLY smaller, weaker, and often failed to produce at all, or were dramatically less productive.

Year 3: Raked off as many wood-chips as I could. Plants were still smaller than those in areas I treated as standard.

Apparently conventional science is right in this instance. Decomposing wood (or anything else) takes and holds nitrogen. And based on my results, I would suspect quite a lot of other nutrients.

If you don't like manual weeding (and who does?) I suggest getting a wheel hoe. I prefer the Hoss, but there are several good brands out there. Don't believe this back to Eden crap from people whose survival and future depends on the productivity of their gardens.
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You did it 100% wrong you cannot EVER mix the wood chips down into the soil it will sap all the nitrogen from the soil to break it down. You put the woodchips directly on top of the soil and move them aside and grow the plant in the soil underneath it. The woodchips breakdown and add nutrients and food for the fungus and bacteria while slowly turning into top soil. After a few year you have incredibly rich loose soil as long as you repeat the chip process every year adding a little layer
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I'm a small scale vegetable farmer. I tried this. It DESTROYED the fertility of the 2000 square feet of garden I experimented with for 3 years running now.

Year 1: Worked ok. Suppressed weeds somewhat. Not nearly as good as the hype. I put the wood-chips 4 or 5 inches deep around established annuals.

Year 2: Despite valiant attempts to plant while keeping wood-chips at surface level, it became obvious quite a lot made it to subsurface levels. ANYWHERE wood-chips were covering, or were even nearby, plants were NOTICEABLY smaller, weaker, and often failed to produce at all, or were dramatically less productive.

Year 3: Raked off as many wood-chips as I could. Plants were still smaller than those in areas I treated as standard.

Apparently conventional science is right in this instance. Decomposing wood (or anything else) takes and holds nitrogen. And based on my results, I would suspect quite a lot of other nutrients.

If you don't like manual weeding (and who does?) I suggest getting a wheel hoe. I prefer the Hoss, but there are several good brands out there. Don't believe this back to Eden crap from people whose survival and future depends on the productivity of their gardens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73012045


You did it 100% wrong you cannot EVER mix the wood chips down into the soil it will sap all the nitrogen from the soil to break it down. You put the woodchips directly on top of the soil and move them aside and grow the plant in the soil underneath it. The woodchips breakdown and add nutrients and food for the fungus and bacteria while slowly turning into top soil. After a few year you have incredibly rich loose soil as long as you repeat the chip process every year adding a little layer
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Bingo! This is key to success!!
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Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die.
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Can you grow toilet paper?





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