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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495  United States04/22/2020 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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 User ID: 78094758 United States04/22/2020 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our gardens are all thick mulch. We never water our peach trees and get excellent harvests. Loquats are all thick mulched, no irrigation. Still use irrigation for tomatoes, peppers, green etc. We basically don't have plant death except for the odd sunflower etc. \ Cor 3:16 -- Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells inside you? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78520748 United States04/22/2020 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | watch the videos on Back to Eden. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76756567 Have not verified it but, he says wood chips give off heat and help to keep the plants warm. They most certainly do. Ive actually heard of piles self-igniting if they get to hot. I make about a truckload everyday. Its a burden to us, but smart country folk seize the opportunity all the time for us to dump in their back yard. Lol |
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| Cebeij
User ID: 77609613 United States04/22/2020 10:25 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good info, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72697360 Also look up “Teaming with Microorganisms” Fairly simple idea, make a bacterial culture from soil of a successful plant you want to grow. Mix the multiplied culture into your own soil before planting. PROFIT you know what i always find the coolest things. those closed systems they have in some bunkers. where they have fish in water with plants and those feed of something else and that in turn feeds veggies etc. forgot the name hydrofarm? yes, hydroponic systems with fish |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73012045  Canada04/22/2020 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a small scale vegetable farmer. I tried this. It DESTROYED the fertility of the 2000 square feet of garden I experimented with for 3 years running now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73012045 Year 1: Worked ok. Suppressed weeds somewhat. Not nearly as good as the hype. I put the wood-chips 4 or 5 inches deep around established annuals. Year 2: Despite valiant attempts to plant while keeping wood-chips at surface level, it became obvious quite a lot made it to subsurface levels. ANYWHERE wood-chips were covering, or were even nearby, plants were NOTICEABLY smaller, weaker, and often failed to produce at all, or were dramatically less productive. Year 3: Raked off as many wood-chips as I could. Plants were still smaller than those in areas I treated as standard. Apparently conventional science is right in this instance. Decomposing wood (or anything else) takes and holds nitrogen. And based on my results, I would suspect quite a lot of other nutrients. If you don't like manual weeding (and who does?) I suggest getting a wheel hoe. I prefer the Hoss, but there are several good brands out there. Don't believe this back to Eden crap from people whose survival and future depends on the productivity of their gardens. You did it 100% wrong you cannot EVER mix the wood chips down into the soil it will sap all the nitrogen from the soil to break it down. You put the woodchips directly on top of the soil and move them aside and grow the plant in the soil underneath it. The woodchips breakdown and add nutrients and food for the fungus and bacteria while slowly turning into top soil. After a few year you have incredibly rich loose soil as long as you repeat the chip process every year adding a little layer Bingo! This is key to success!! Yea, as a gardener with 20 years experience and a degree in chemistry I don't get that. The point of this thread I believed was to simplify gardening for noobs. TRY to keep the chips above ground. Its not possible. Unlike the back to the earth types, I actually have to live from what I can grow. Not only grow enough to eat, but grow the kind of quality people will pay for. Carry on. |
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| Eggcellently Deplorable
Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 1865245 United States04/22/2020 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to vimeo.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76756567 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Back To Eden Organic Gardening Film (using wood chips to grow food) Wood chips get termites And carpenter ants. And, at least here in the PNW, are very acid. "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78537041 United States04/22/2020 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good info, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72697360 Also look up “Teaming with Microorganisms” Fairly simple idea, make a bacterial culture from soil of a successful plant you want to grow. Mix the multiplied culture into your own soil before planting. PROFIT you know what i always find the coolest things. those closed systems they have in some bunkers. where they have fish in water with plants and those feed of something else and that in turn feeds veggies etc. forgot the name hydrofarm? I think those plants grown in water will lack nutrients people need. Sort of like lab created meat. It has to be lacking in essential vitamins and minerals. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78239842 United States04/22/2020 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Quoting: Back to Eden 76756567 This is the complete tour of Paul Gautschi's Back to Eden garden on one video. After you watch "Back to Eden", the documentary on Paul Gautschi and his garden, this is the next video to watch. This is two hours of Paul talking about why he gardens the way he does and answering questions from people on his tour. Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die. I think the mystery plant @32:00 might be burdock. After it flowers it develops cockle-burs. It is a plant from hell and spreads without mercy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76481808 United States04/22/2020 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good info, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72697360 Also look up “Teaming with Microorganisms” Fairly simple idea, make a bacterial culture from soil of a successful plant you want to grow. Mix the multiplied culture into your own soil before planting. PROFIT you know what i always find the coolest things. those closed systems they have in some bunkers. where they have fish in water with plants and those feed of something else and that in turn feeds veggies etc. forgot the name hydrofarm? I think those plants grown in water will lack nutrients people need. Sort of like lab created meat. It has to be lacking in essential vitamins and minerals. I agree. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78832102 United States04/22/2020 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Grow food now, or starve later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76756567 Those that rely on Government to survive will die early. Tell us about your flourishing garden, what you harvest, and how many people you can feed. Also don’t forget to tell us how many days a year you can provide 4000 calories per day. Thx |
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Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 1865245 United States04/22/2020 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A better idea is to seed mock strawberries as ground cover -- they're self-seeding, spread very fast and as an added bonus they're edible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75641809 IMAGE ( [link to www.gannett-cdn.com (secure)] ) Those look like REAL strawberries to me! "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78651209 04/23/2020 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Quoting: Back to Eden 76756567 This is the complete tour of Paul Gautschi's Back to Eden garden on one video. After you watch "Back to Eden", the documentary on Paul Gautschi and his garden, this is the next video to watch. This is two hours of Paul talking about why he gardens the way he does and answering questions from people on his tour. Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die. I think the mystery plant @32:00 might be burdock. After it flowers it develops cockle-burs. It is a plant from hell and spreads without mercy. That isn't Burdock, I had a burdock appear last year, made tincture and dried roots out of it, wonderful medicinal qualities! Don't know what his plant is, looks more like Sunflower. BTW, many are missing the fact that he uses compost with the wood chips... Chicken compost, neighbors farm manure, etc., it's a necessity, you cannot just use the wood chips alone and he even says that. |
| The Ghost of Comedian
User ID: 49838646 United States04/23/2020 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a gardener and I'm pretty good at it. Wood chips, especially wood chips containing bark, leaves and twigs, are great for your soil. It's all true. But there are some drawbacks. You will have slugs and snails, especially slugs. The chips can also harbor earwigs. They will devour your seedlings. You will have to pull back the chips to plant your vegetables, especially any leafy greens. Otherwise, this is a great way to make your soil fertile and to conserve water. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78834428 United States04/23/2020 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a small scale vegetable farmer. I tried this. It DESTROYED the fertility of the 2000 square feet of garden I experimented with for 3 years running now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73012045 Year 1: Worked ok. Suppressed weeds somewhat. Not nearly as good as the hype. I put the wood-chips 4 or 5 inches deep around established annuals. Year 2: Despite valiant attempts to plant while keeping wood-chips at surface level, it became obvious quite a lot made it to subsurface levels. ANYWHERE wood-chips were covering, or were even nearby, plants were NOTICEABLY smaller, weaker, and often failed to produce at all, or were dramatically less productive. Year 3: Raked off as many wood-chips as I could. Plants were still smaller than those in areas I treated as standard. Apparently conventional science is right in this instance. Decomposing wood (or anything else) takes and holds nitrogen. And based on my results, I would suspect quite a lot of other nutrients. If you don't like manual weeding (and who does?) I suggest getting a wheel hoe. I prefer the Hoss, but there are several good brands out there. Don't believe this back to Eden crap from people whose survival and future depends on the productivity of their gardens. You gotta watch more of his vids. He tells people not to only use woodchips. I use chips except for a few feet where I plant...it keeps moisture up and warmer soil...I mulch w hay or leaves around actual plants. Great results. Keep in mind bacteria that breaks down chips leach nitrogen out of soil as they decompose... So do not use chips right near plants and do supplement soil. Over time chips break down into good soil ... Take-home message is use mulch not just chips . |
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| Vision Thing
User ID: 78782479 United States04/24/2020 09:22 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did this four years ago now. Got large sheets of cardboard from a big box store. Ask for the ones they get that separate the pallet loads. They are like 8’x8’, have no ink and no staples. Free.. took some trips but eventually had enough to cover about 1200 square feet of lawn. Less to mow! Quoting: M.Gustave.H Our local power company brings me a huge load of wood chips free every spring too. Enough to put down about 10” all over. So year one it just sat, cardboard under mulch for a solid year, spring to spring. Planted fruit trees the following spring and it’s been awesome. Hardly ever have to water. Trees are thriving although the deer have been another battle. The key is springtime sapling mulch mixed with hardwood mulch and some greens. It’s deep enough now that weeds just scuffle hoe right out.. What’s been really crazy is how well vegetables will grow out there too. Melons come back every year. Other than labor, which I definitely don’t mind, it’s all been free except the trees. Grow food y’all! Great job, sounds like you did that just perfectly! Simpler than people like to make it out to be! |
| Vision Thing
User ID: 78782479 United States04/24/2020 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So while I personally believe that piling organic matter of all kinds on top of any old uncultivated soil and letting it rot (sheet composting), will build soil and fertility just fine, if you want super high productivity right away and super high intensive productivity is your most important factor, then a one-time double dig first and adding soil amendments before mulching and then planting, might be good. I personally wouldn't bother double digging I would do what the guy did a few posts up where he put the cardboard down and piled a deep layer of mulch on top and let it rot for a whole winter before planting. It will just keep getting better every year. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 64362764 United States05/06/2020 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Quoting: Back to Eden 76756567 This is the complete tour of Paul Gautschi's Back to Eden garden on one video. After you watch "Back to Eden", the documentary on Paul Gautschi and his garden, this is the next video to watch. This is two hours of Paul talking about why he gardens the way he does and answering questions from people on his tour. Don't rely on Grocery Stores and Government for anything unless you like to starve, become sick and die. Not everything in that video he says is true, when he said when you buy plants already growing in a store it does not grow in the garden at home, he is lying, I have 10 plants now that are growing very well in my garden that I bought in a store already grown and ready to go, besides bark is nothing new its been knowing for a long time.. What works for some in some climates don't always work for others.. Do what works for you...  |
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