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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66369238 United States 04/23/2020 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the sad reality is Trump panicked during his first pandemic... Trump says it in his press conference how Dr fauci came to him and said we have to shut down the country since Trump is just a former reality tv game show host, he panicked and shut the country down. that's the science. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76099739 United States 04/23/2020 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the sad reality is Trump panicked during his first pandemic... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66369238 Trump says it in his press conference how Dr fauci came to him and said we have to shut down the country since Trump is just a former reality tv game show host, he panicked and shut the country down. that's the science. He's a successful billionaire real estate developer, businessman, and President, you weak fuck. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77077223 United States 04/23/2020 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the sad reality is Trump panicked during his first pandemic... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66369238 Trump says it in his press conference how Dr fauci came to him and said we have to shut down the country since Trump is just a former reality tv game show host, he panicked and shut the country down. that's the science. He needs to fire him |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55303780 United States 04/23/2020 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the sad reality is Trump panicked during his first pandemic... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66369238 Trump says it in his press conference how Dr fauci came to him and said we have to shut down the country since Trump is just a former reality tv game show host, he panicked and shut the country down. that's the science. He's a successful billionaire real estate developer, businessman, and President, you weak fuck. Trump did for bankruptcies on his casinos. How in the fuck does one have to go bankrupt on a casino? What happens with a casino during the good times? People walk in give up all the money and leave with nothing in their pockets. But somehow Trump couldn’t even manage a casino. LOL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78739682 United States 04/23/2020 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tucker is the biggest shill there is. Here are just a few examples of his "misdirections": In talking about the midwestern states that have not locked down and have seen few cases, he said "Have those states suffered? No - at least not YET" - he himself said "yet," because he knows it could still be coming to those states. It's not prevalent in them yet because they aren't populous to begin with, and don't have a lot of people travelling to them. In talking about what scientists and experts said regarding stay at home orders in regards to the virus: "They claimed a lockdown would halt the spread of the virus" - FALSE. No one said it would HALT the spread of the virus. Every single expert has said they are trying to SLOW the spread, and reduce the number of peak cases to lower the burden on the healthcare system. And then of course, there is the fact that the President himself said yesterday when asked about Georgia lifting their stay at home orders, if he agreed - "I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia" Everyone loves to spout about "fake news," and somehow think that Tucker and his buddies at Fox tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they are just peddling the other side of fake. Sorry to rain on your Tucker love fest. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77554547 United States 04/23/2020 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Reality Show is our leaders are working from a point, of stupidity, fear, and authoritarianism. They should be coming from a point of knowledge, cooperation, support, and knowing. Maybe they don't know all of the facts, we are learning points of this virus everyday, but ignorance is no excuse. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75796884 United States 04/23/2020 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tucker is the biggest shill there is. Quoting: Triple_Triquetra Here are just a few examples of his "misdirections": In talking about the midwestern states that have not locked down and have seen few cases, he said "Have those states suffered? No - at least not YET" - he himself said "yet," because he knows it could still be coming to those states. It's not prevalent in them yet because they aren't populous to begin with, and don't have a lot of people travelling to them. In talking about what scientists and experts said regarding stay at home orders in regards to the virus: "They claimed a lockdown would halt the spread of the virus" - FALSE. No one said it would HALT the spread of the virus. Every single expert has said they are trying to SLOW the spread, and reduce the number of peak cases to lower the burden on the healthcare system. And then of course, there is the fact that the President himself said yesterday when asked about Georgia lifting their stay at home orders, if he agreed - "I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia" Everyone loves to spout about "fake news," and somehow think that Tucker and his buddies at Fox tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they are just peddling the other side of fake. Sorry to rain on your Tucker love fest. So the whole idea of these draconian lockdowns across the country is to slow the spread and help prevent hospitals from being overloaded, right? But they’re not overloaded and there’s really no evidence that lockdowns are performing as advertised. The virus takes its course and goes on its own curve regardless of whether we’re placed under house arrest or not. What is the plan? To rot in our homes unemployed for two years, waiting for a government approved vaccine for a coronavirus that has already mutated dozens of times? Is that the plan?? I’m glad Tucker is a voice for freedom and rationality. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26393615 United States 04/23/2020 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tucker is the biggest shill there is. Quoting: Triple_Triquetra Here are just a few examples of his "misdirections": In talking about the midwestern states that have not locked down and have seen few cases, he said "Have those states suffered? No - at least not YET" - he himself said "yet," because he knows it could still be coming to those states. It's not prevalent in them yet because they aren't populous to begin with, and don't have a lot of people travelling to them. In talking about what scientists and experts said regarding stay at home orders in regards to the virus: "They claimed a lockdown would halt the spread of the virus" - FALSE. No one said it would HALT the spread of the virus. Every single expert has said they are trying to SLOW the spread, and reduce the number of peak cases to lower the burden on the healthcare system. And then of course, there is the fact that the President himself said yesterday when asked about Georgia lifting their stay at home orders, if he agreed - "I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia" Everyone loves to spout about "fake news," and somehow think that Tucker and his buddies at Fox tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they are just peddling the other side of fake. Sorry to rain on your Tucker love fest. So the whole idea of these draconian lockdowns across the country is to slow the spread and help prevent hospitals from being overloaded, right? But they’re not overloaded and there’s really no evidence that lockdowns are performing as advertised. The virus takes its course and goes on its own curve regardless of whether we’re placed under house arrest or not. What is the plan? To rot in our homes unemployed for two years, waiting for a government approved vaccine for a coronavirus that has already mutated dozens of times? Is that the plan?? I’m glad Tucker is a voice for freedom and rationality. Never mind that several hundred million could die in the third world, if our global supply chain keeps collapsing! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78739682 United States 04/23/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tucker is the biggest shill there is. Quoting: Triple_Triquetra Here are just a few examples of his "misdirections": In talking about the midwestern states that have not locked down and have seen few cases, he said "Have those states suffered? No - at least not YET" - he himself said "yet," because he knows it could still be coming to those states. It's not prevalent in them yet because they aren't populous to begin with, and don't have a lot of people travelling to them. In talking about what scientists and experts said regarding stay at home orders in regards to the virus: "They claimed a lockdown would halt the spread of the virus" - FALSE. No one said it would HALT the spread of the virus. Every single expert has said they are trying to SLOW the spread, and reduce the number of peak cases to lower the burden on the healthcare system. And then of course, there is the fact that the President himself said yesterday when asked about Georgia lifting their stay at home orders, if he agreed - "I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia" Everyone loves to spout about "fake news," and somehow think that Tucker and his buddies at Fox tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they are just peddling the other side of fake. Sorry to rain on your Tucker love fest. So the whole idea of these draconian lockdowns across the country is to slow the spread and help prevent hospitals from being overloaded, right? But they’re not overloaded and there’s really no evidence that lockdowns are performing as advertised. The virus takes its course and goes on its own curve regardless of whether we’re placed under house arrest or not. What is the plan? To rot in our homes unemployed for two years, waiting for a government approved vaccine for a coronavirus that has already mutated dozens of times? Is that the plan?? I’m glad Tucker is a voice for freedom and rationality. The fact that they are not overloaded - which is not entirely true, because in some places they are - but the fact that they aren't is BECAUSE of the stay-at-home orders. Imagine how much worse it could have been if nothing was done. I agree about the economy stuff - we need to find a way to make sure people who are out of work can eat and pay their bills. That should be the number one priority after slowing the spread of the virus. But the virus is real, just ask any healthcare worker in a city that's effected. And it's nasty. It's easy enough to say it's no big deal until you know someone who dies from it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78076374 United States 04/23/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tuned out the InfoWars broadcast after AJ leapt head-first onto the coronahoax wagon, but he repeatedly mentioned that he spoke with various Faux News anchors behind the scenes. All the conservative news personalities are (from the sounds of it) being menaced & terrorized behind the scenes. I'd like to believe Tucker is one of the good guys trying to push as much truth as he can given the limits he's forced to work under. Don't really know though. After Fox torpedoed Ron Paul & excluded him from all their polling when he was leading in the Republican primaries, I vowed never to watch them again (aside from the occasional video on youtube). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78730444 Canada 04/23/2020 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the sad reality is Trump panicked during his first pandemic... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66369238 Trump says it in his press conference how Dr fauci came to him and said we have to shut down the country since Trump is just a former reality tv game show host, he panicked and shut the country down. that's the science. He's a successful billionaire real estate developer, businessman, and President, you weak fuck. Trump did for bankruptcies on his casinos. How in the fuck does one have to go bankrupt on a casino? What happens with a casino during the good times? People walk in give up all the money and leave with nothing in their pockets. But somehow Trump couldn’t even manage a casino. LOL And here you are talking shit on a conspiracy forum. What the fuck do you contribute other than spreading your bullshit toxicity? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76799292 United States 04/23/2020 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are trying to manipulate the public, to get to the point they are encouraging the police to go searching random people and taking away rights. They want the liberals especially cheering the police on to pressure them to arrest people so then the police can say their actions were from public outcry, wasn't their fault, they were "just doing our jobs." Riling up the public is how you do anything you want, especially starting wars. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78687233 Belgium 04/23/2020 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Antibody test in New York show that 2.7 million New Yorker's may have already caught it. That comes out to around a 0.8% mortality rate but more realistically it's probably 1% or higher due to the lag effect. If 70% of the population caught it that comes out to around 1.8 million deaths. The Science is sound. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78739682 United States 04/23/2020 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tuned out the InfoWars broadcast after AJ leapt head-first onto the coronahoax wagon, but he repeatedly mentioned that he spoke with various Faux News anchors behind the scenes. All the conservative news personalities are (from the sounds of it) being menaced & terrorized behind the scenes. Quoting: XeroGravity I'd like to believe Tucker is one of the good guys trying to push as much truth as he can given the limits he's forced to work under. Don't really know though. After Fox torpedoed Ron Paul & excluded him from all their polling when he was leading in the Republican primaries, I vowed never to watch them again (aside from the occasional video on youtube). I think all of them are part of the game they like us to keep playing - pitting us against one another. The cries of "fake news" do get tiresome when it's constantly used to discredit anything that paints Trump in a negative light. There is just as much fake news on the right, but because it praises him, it gets a pass. Of course when someone on Fox calls out the prez on anything, they are lambasted too, and sometimes even shown the door, or leave on their own. Fake news exists on all sides - not just the left. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75796884 United States 04/23/2020 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tucker is the biggest shill there is. Quoting: Triple_Triquetra Here are just a few examples of his "misdirections": In talking about the midwestern states that have not locked down and have seen few cases, he said "Have those states suffered? No - at least not YET" - he himself said "yet," because he knows it could still be coming to those states. It's not prevalent in them yet because they aren't populous to begin with, and don't have a lot of people travelling to them. In talking about what scientists and experts said regarding stay at home orders in regards to the virus: "They claimed a lockdown would halt the spread of the virus" - FALSE. No one said it would HALT the spread of the virus. Every single expert has said they are trying to SLOW the spread, and reduce the number of peak cases to lower the burden on the healthcare system. And then of course, there is the fact that the President himself said yesterday when asked about Georgia lifting their stay at home orders, if he agreed - "I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia" Everyone loves to spout about "fake news," and somehow think that Tucker and his buddies at Fox tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they are just peddling the other side of fake. Sorry to rain on your Tucker love fest. So the whole idea of these draconian lockdowns across the country is to slow the spread and help prevent hospitals from being overloaded, right? But they’re not overloaded and there’s really no evidence that lockdowns are performing as advertised. The virus takes its course and goes on its own curve regardless of whether we’re placed under house arrest or not. What is the plan? To rot in our homes unemployed for two years, waiting for a government approved vaccine for a coronavirus that has already mutated dozens of times? Is that the plan?? I’m glad Tucker is a voice for freedom and rationality. The fact that they are not overloaded - which is not entirely true, because in some places they are - but the fact that they aren't is BECAUSE of the stay-at-home orders. Imagine how much worse it could have been if nothing was done. I agree about the economy stuff - we need to find a way to make sure people who are out of work can eat and pay their bills. That should be the number one priority after slowing the spread of the virus. But the virus is real, just ask any healthcare worker in a city that's effected. And it's nasty. It's easy enough to say it's no big deal until you know someone who dies from it. The virus has raced along on an exponential curve in the US and especially New York even with lockdowns. Tucker is quoting a scientific study that says lockdowns are costing trillions of dollars with no real effect on hospital crowding. He’s right, it’s a huge experiment on the American population and not having any demonstrated value. There’s such a tiny death rate. This thing isn’t SARS or MERS and doesn’t merit this hysterical response. We’re probably just making it worse, prolonging the outbreak and helping the virus. |
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User ID: 73724632 United States 04/23/2020 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is lengthy but THIS is what I think is behind the virus response - it's not what you think. It's worse. What we've seen....and we don't understand it yet....is the birth of a "new" religion. It's not really new as it's an outgrowth of paganism/Luciferianism but it's expanded enormously in the past 20 years or so. They even have their own sacred holiday, which was yesterday - Earth Day. Their beliefs are pretty well expressed by the UN Agenda 21 and now 2030. They hate human beings and view as an infestation on the Planet. They think there are too many of us and they want to get rid of as many as possible. This is what is behind much of the worship of abortion and soft kill techs like vaccines. They are fascist in their beliefs and practices because they don't value humans and know that we won't support their beliefs. They're like a priesthood that has to force things on us, frequently without our knowledge or against our will. So they secretly practice technologies like chemtrailing against us. And they have to keep us under surveillance because they know that the impulse for freedom will break out and we'll start plotting against them. They are very technology based and they can do all their shit digitally. They don't like people anyway so they don't need much social contact except for their rituals, lol. They think they are the technological masters of the world and they have nothing but contempt for people who work with their hands - or who work with other people. That's most of us. I think there is a lot of autism in this group as well. They are terrified of death and will do ANYTHING to stay alive. They think the worst thing is death, more than any other value. they do not value freedom or liberty at all. Conformity is their highest value and staving off death for themselves. Because of their religious beliefs the afterlife doesn't look too promising for them so they plan to stay here as LONG as possible. This makes them OBSESSED with safety rather than taking a risk. Another feature is their vegetarianism and veganism, which is more about establishing their class credentials than caring for actual animals. They really don't like animals any more than they like people....but they'd rather side with them against us. It's part of: Lowering the quality of life for the general population. They want us to go back to pre-industrial standards while they fly around in jets to meetings where they discuss how to kill more of us. They want us not to work, or be able to travel, or to have a good diet. We can eat BUGS. Full of protein. They don't want us to have air-conditioning. Just sweat you, peasant. I can go on, but....this is basically a RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT. I don't think people get this yet. That is why you have the insane fervor. But they all basically believe the same stuff and one has to ask....how did they all get indoctrinated into this new religion...Must be the SCHOOLS. |
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User ID: 78762682 Canada 04/23/2020 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the sad reality is Trump panicked during his first pandemic... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66369238 Trump says it in his press conference how Dr fauci came to him and said we have to shut down the country since Trump is just a former reality tv game show host, he panicked and shut the country down. that's the science. He's a successful billionaire real estate developer, businessman, and President, you weak fuck. Trump did for bankruptcies on his casinos. How in the fuck does one have to go bankrupt on a casino? What happens with a casino during the good times? People walk in give up all the money and leave with nothing in their pockets. But somehow Trump couldn’t even manage a casino. LOL And here you are talking shit on a conspiracy forum. What the fuck do you contribute other than spreading your bullshit toxicity? I get your point, but it's not like he's wrong, I too have been curious how exactly success is measured in regards to Mr. Trump. While I have first-hand seen his real-estate fuck-ups I wouldn't disagree that he is successful in that field but there are really no shortage of other good examples of surprising failure like his casinos which while don't make much sense can happen through logical means, but then there are also astoundingly stupid business choices such as selling steaks out of the Sharper Image of all places or Trump Shuttle which for some reason thought people would be flocking to his golf-courses thereby floating his airline in package deals, or that he is a proud and vocal non-drinker so he wants to sell really dirty Vodka (Like if you haven't tried it and you happen to ever see someone with a bottle, try a shot over-ice, it's impressively bad, like Walker's might be better) obviously there are more examples of his lack of success without talking shit about the guy and getting into his personal life (Which for the most part I think should be off-limits with some VERY obvious exceptions) So my question pretty much from the start with Mr. Trump is that, when dealing with someone that has has so many public failures and really has a huge lack of personal accountability do we say That he is successful, do we say that he is a failure or do we say that he tries different things and sometimes they are successful and sometimes not? I just don't see someone mentioning his failures as necessarily "Spreading toxicity" but I don't see how people can blindly fallow only looking at the positive and disregarding the negative either. Lastly, I think that right now we really should be refraining from taking a partisan stance on the efforts to contain the spread on this, people on both sides have had valid points and globally and really what we need to be focused on is getting back to normal as quick as possible without loss of life that would have otherwise been prevented, but "What the fuck do you contribute other than spreading your bullshit toxicity?" Not much, but quite a bit more than you. Last Edited by SbX-01 on 04/23/2020 01:16 PM "Our masters have not heard the people's voice for generations and it is much, much louder than they care to remember." ~ Alan Moore |
Blue State Rebel
User ID: 73724632 United States 04/23/2020 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What they're doing right now....is FORCING US to change our way of life and accept their basic progressive ideas....to save the planet. They brought this about in the form of a "virus" so that draconian and unprecedented measures could be used. THIS IS DOG TRAINING. Getting us used to a new normal, with reduced contact, money, supplies, and FREEDOM. It's the only way the extreme Progressive Climate Change left - which IS their religion...could accomplish these goals because NOBODY WOULD EVER VOTE FOR THIS SHIT. Not to this extent. So they had to create the conditions to FORCE US TO CHANGE HOW WE LIVE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76855775 United States 04/23/2020 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Antibody test in New York show that 2.7 million New Yorker's may have already caught it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78687233 That comes out to around a 0.8% mortality rate but more realistically it's probably 1% or higher due to the lag effect. If 70% of the population caught it that comes out to around 1.8 million deaths. The Science is sound. Clearly you've never studied logic. In fact, you're committing two right now. Confusing cause and effect, and fallacy of composition. If 100 people are 'infected', and 1% (or less) of people have 'symptoms', then LOGIC alone tells you that is not the cause of disease symptoms. This is saying: (part of the whole) A has attribute X, therefore, every A has attribute X. This is the same as saying: Atoms are colorless, Dogs are made of atoms, therefore dogs are colorless. Or saying: This ball is green, therefore every ball is green. It's not 'sound science', it's a nonsense fallacy. Clearly, if less than 1% of people elicit symptoms, and the other 99% of people do not, what they are calling the CAUSITIVE agent is NOT the cause of the disease. This is why there are ZERO scientific studies proving this virus has been truly isolated, shown to replicate and induce symptoms, NONE. The only studies the junk science apologists have propounded are those showing a piece of non pathogenic cellular RNA that they didn't bother to isolate, then, mixed the sample with lab goop, monkey vero cells, anti-biotics and other agents, and couldn't prove it spread. In fact, they had to use a fallacious 'PCR' test to amplify the sample because they didn't even work with the original. All of this, WITHOUT A CONTROL, therefore the studies are nonsense, and certianly NOT 'SOUND'. |
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