Is baptism really required of a disciple? Why did Jesus get baptized, was he a sinner?

How many of the Apostles and other disciples were baptised in water by John the Baptist?

We don't know.

Neither Jesus nor anyone else baptised during Jesus ministry.

Jesus supposedly said "baptise in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit", YET...they write to baptise "in Jesus' name" only.

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this is he concerning whom I said, After me doth come a man, who hath come before me, because he was before me: and I knew him not, but, so that he might be manifested to Israel, because of/through this I came with the water baptizing.

"Neither Jesus nor anyone else baptised during Jesus ministry."

Incorrect.

Matthew 3:13
[ The Baptism of Jesus ] Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.

Matthew 3:16
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.

Mark 1:9
[ The Baptism and Testing of Jesus ] At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Luke 3:21
[ The Baptism and Genealogy of Jesus ] When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened

John 3:22
[ John Testifies Again About Jesus ] After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.

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Trampled soil with a bird coming to land on it.

Trampled soil: This person finds little time to prepare for his Bible study session. He often cancels his Bible study or misses meetings because he is busy doing other things.
Rocky soil.

Rocky soil: This person allows pressure or opposition from his peers or family to prevent him from obeying Jehovah and living by His standards.
Soil with thorns growing in it.

Soil with thorns: This person likes what he learns about Jehovah, but he feels that having money and possessions will make him feel happy and secure. He often misses his personal Bible study sessions because he is working or is engaging in some kind of recreation.
Soil with wheat growing abundantly in it.

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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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Anyone can baptize you...literally ANYONE.

As long as they are believers too...

Baptism signifies something spiritual not physical so does circumcision

Affirmation.

Nwt..leaves out verse 37...

Now as they were going along the road, they came to a body of water, and the eunuch said: “Look! Here is water; what prevents me from getting baptized?” 37 —— 38 With that he commanded the chariot to halt.

What does the received text based on manuscript's dated to 125 ad say?
1611kjv

Acts 8:37

“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

King James Version (KJV

I believe that jesus christ is the son of God.


John 8:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

That was initially true in the infancy of Christianity, but later as the apostasy started spreading corrupting doctrines accurate knowledge became required;

Learn How to Learn GROWING up requires learning how to learn. To grow up spiritually a Christian needs to learn how to learn. This is because Christianity is based on a learning process; the true Christian must continually take in life-giving knowledge. He must do this to be pleasing to “God, whose will is that all kinds of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.”—1 Tim. 2:3, 4, NW.

No

Did Jesus baptise anyone during His ministry?
Did the Apostles baptise anyone while Jesus was on earth?

NOPE

That's what I meant.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

The Ethiopian only had a few scriptures from the Old Testament. Phillip preached Jesus unto him. The Ethiopian afterward immediately asks to be baptized. Phillip had to have included that in preaching Jesus for him to know to ask.

How did the Ethiopian know baptism was in water and that he needed to do that when he admitted he knew nothing at the beginning.

Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

no Jesus was not a sinner. are you sure you're a Christian?

Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He could not have been baptized for sin, because he had to die for our sin. The baptism instituted on the Day of Pentecost was after he died for our sin and arose and ascended back to Heaven. We are baptized into Christ Romans 6.

So is baptism required to be saved?

I'm saved and fully believe in the trinity and that Jesus died on the cross and rose on the third day. He forgave all our sins.

How did you acquire authority for judgement day exemption and declare your own self saved?

Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend. Ja2:19

I believe Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected. I also believe in Gods grace and Jesus died for our sins. I also asked for forgiveness of my sins.

Works don't get us into heaven.

If you're invited to serve with the 'Little flock' in heaven what is you're assignment there?
“Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom. 33 Sell your belongings and give gifts of mercy. Make money pouches that do not wear out, a never-failing treasure in the heavens, where no thief gets near and no moth consumes. 34 For where your treasure is, there your hearts will be also. Lk12:32

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The ones baptized in Jesus' name at Pentecost 33CE and the Ethiopian helped by Philip to understand how Jesus fulfilled Isa. 53 and other scriptures, were all faithful Dzywws and proselytes, part of a nation already dedicated to Jehovah "bought from the [Red] Sea" -an immersion - and having promised at Mount Sinai "All you have said, we are willing to do, we and our children."

In the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, Jehovah said concerning the seventieth and last week out of the seventy weeks of years that were involved with the Messiah: “And after the sixty-two weeks [that followed the previous seven weeks] Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. . . . And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week [from autumn of 29 C.E. to autumn of 36 C.E.]; and at the half of the week [in spring of 33 C.E.] he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease [by virtue of his own perfect human sacrifice].”
[36 CE, end of the "70th week of years", Roman army officer Cornelius was the first Gentile baptized]
Jesus presented himself to do God's will, symbolized by water baptism, at the beginning of his ministry, and individuals now can "present YOUR bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with YOUR power of reason. 2
And quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making YOUR mind over, that YOU may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." [Romans 2], publicly symbolized by water baptism. But it's voluntary and no one is born "dedicated" under a law covenant no human could fulfill until Jesus.

DGN ,do you think that's right that "no one is born dedicated"? Please feel free to correct , or not [or delete, of course]. There's so much more to this, here for instance- [link to wol.jw.org (secure)] that I'm actually glad someone like TLS prompts me to look at, but then get too tired to write right. thx

"do you think that's right that "no one is born dedicated"?
I think I don't understand the question.

You probably don't get the gift of the Holy Spirit if you are not baptized. After Jesus was baptized, it is said The Holy Spirit descended onto him like a dove. After that he went out and started teaching and doing miracles. It kind of implies that the Holy Spirit gave him the power to do all those things.

I tend to believe you probably don't need it. The criminal crucified with Jesus wasn't baptized, but repented, and received forgiveness. Jesus said he would join him later that evening in heaven. But... if you want the full gift, and all of the assistance that goes along with it, you have to be baptized.

That's the way it reads to me.

Baptism is actually a ritualistic social symbol of one's education, repentance, and dedication, yes. BYW did Jesus tell the evil doer he was going to heaven?

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

(Hebrews 4:14-15)

Luke 23:43 43Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

Seems that way. I don't know how else you'd read it.

What does this look like to you?

Doing the Father's Will could be construed as "works".

We can also call them "fruits of the Spirit".

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;

but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them*, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.