Is baptism really required of a disciple? Why did Jesus get baptized, was he a sinner?

Its a ritual.

They can't even proclam Belief in Christ nor the Father.

On the other side of the coin, who are we to say that the Holy Spirit can't have any effect on a little one?

Its a ritual.

My understanding is that he was baptized because he was born of a woman, therefore guilty of the same "sin" as every other human - original sin.

If he was guilty of sin would his ransom sacrifice for ours be valid?

The sin wasn't inherently his, but either way baptism is believed to wash one free of all sin - including original sin. If he committed no sin after baptism he would have been considered sinless.

I'm not a follower, and in truth find the entire ritual around his sacrifice macabre. Also, the idea that one can, or would, lay their sins at an innocent's feet is repulsive to me personally.

No offense, truly. My sister is a born again Christian. I have nothing but respect for her and the path she has chosen for herself, as I do with all true believers, it's just not my path.

"the idea that one can, or would, lay their sins at an innocent's feet" What do you mean by this?

He was only an acceptable sacrifice because of his perfect sinlessness - he was innocent.

It is a moral argument for me, not a theological one.

I don't understand why you argue against your savior, your invitation to inherit the earth after the Tribulation, which we're 5 months into. Do you have alternative future plans to reccomend?

:) No, I think it's best for you to stick with your current plan.

All the best to you.

He got baptized so that we could walk in the Clouds of Remembrance one day.

please edit the subject and remove "was he a sinner?" how can you be a Christian and not know this? see Hebrews 5.

Where does scripture say that the Apostles were baptised in water?

It doesn't.

Yet they all received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

So they weren't baptized?

If a baptism is in a bought and paid for cult of Pa$tor Payola'$ is it valid to God?

Scripture doesn't tell us if by water.

Remember what John the Baptist said about Jesus.

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:
but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:
he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

That happened at Pentecost.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

What then did the Teacher mean?
Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28:19

Born of water of women's wombs and of the Holy Spirit. Those synthetic creatures not born of a woman's womb are not acceptable, strange flesh and clones.

no, baptism is required to join a religious organization ... Jesus got baptized to "satisfy the law" and publicly step out of the river of sin that Humanity is wont to swim in


it is not part of Hebrew Tradition, but is an old Gnostic ritual ...

we are only "sinners" in the eyes of "god" - our Creator gave us free will, and does not judge how we use it. We are the only ones keeping score, our punishment is Self-inflicted, unless we surrender our free will and submit slavery in the "kingdom of god" or submit to the limitations of the inequitable society that he established to conceal Truth, and retard Consciousness of who we are, why we are here, and where we are going - so that we will not realize our full potential, as Sovereign Individuals.

What Is in Your Heart?

Jesus likened the message found in the Bible to seed and human hearts to different types of soil. (Luke 8:4-8) Perhaps you have been studying the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses for some time. Why not read Luke 8:11-15 and ask yourself, ‘My heart matches which kind of soil?’

Trampled soil with a bird coming to land on it.

Trampled soil: This person finds little time to prepare for his Bible study session. He often cancels his Bible study or misses meetings because he is busy doing other things.
Rocky soil.

Rocky soil: This person allows pressure or opposition from his peers or family to prevent him from obeying Jehovah and living by His standards.
Soil with thorns growing in it.

Soil with thorns: This person likes what he learns about Jehovah, but he feels that having money and possessions will make him feel happy and secure. He often misses his personal Bible study sessions because he is working or is engaging in some kind of recreation.
Soil with wheat growing abundantly in it.

Fine soil: This person regularly studies the Bible and tries to apply what he learns. His priority in life is that of pleasing Jehovah. Despite trials and opposition, he persists in telling others what he knows about Jehovah.

You control what is in your heart. Like the different types of soil in Jesus’ illustration, your symbolic heart can be softened, weeded, and improved. Remember, you choose the type of soil that you are.

Thank you for this..
I am Soil with thrones.

I am trying my best
my name is Jordan and I live in Alberta, Canada.

Please pray for me.