Is baptism really required of a disciple? Why did Jesus get baptized, was he a sinner?

AND G-d said he was not a man, nor the son of man (Numbers 23:19) and that each man shall die for their own sins (Ezekiel 18:20-22), but here you are following JC and quoting Saul.

There are folks that claim G-d is a man who died for their sins. It's not biblical.

See what I mean?

Will the resurrected need to be baptized, if they wish to share in making the earth Eden?

Will idolators that think G-d is a man be part of the New Earth? Torah says otherwise; thankfully the Oral Torah understands and makes exceptions for man's ignorance.

Well, baptism is a mental cleansing.

The bible is symbolic, true baptism is of the soul

Very good;
"It is very easy to defile the conscience. If we relax our vigilance and adopt worldly standards of morality instead of Scriptural standards, our conscience will stop working for us. We must be alert to errors and learn from our blunders. When wrongs are committed we should seek the forgiveness of Jehovah and our brothers. Faith in the blood of Jesus Christ makes it possible for us to make the request to God for a clean conscience." (1 Pet. 3:21; Heb. 9:14; 10:22)

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"J" is just an Anglicanized "Y".

Yahovah or Yehovah - either one I'm pretty sure Father God would accept.


Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Here's a couple of tidbits from Isaiah.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength.

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And to prove my point further, look at the names of the places given in these verses.

Genesis 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Exodus 17:15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovah-nissi:

Judges 6:24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovah-shalom: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.

Abraham, Moses and Gideon ALL KNEW the Father's name.

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Oh goodie - a Jesus-denying Pharisee.

Are you guys still waiting on that red heifer's time to be over before you roll out YOUR "Messiah"?

What are you people afraid of?

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Yet the fact remains that Father God continuously gave corrections, tasks etc....TO the prophets - that the Hebrews CONSTANTLY ignored.

Pure arrogance. And it started early - during the time of the Judges. Only David and Solomon slowed it down for a while - only to have it "explode" after Solomon died.

God doesn't have a SON? HOW do ANY of you KNOW that?

You don't. Your ancestors railed at the thought of it - even though MANY believed that Jesus WAS sent by the Father and became Christians.

Pagan Romans created the "Jesus is God" / trinity. A critical look at the statements made by Jesus prove that He said the Father is God.

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

And that must be what led to excruciating modern mispronunciation of so-called 'J'words such as those highlighted below, in their proper pre- 1500's spellings ! :

...but the quarte aspect betwixt Sol and Iupiter wyll take it awaye: the sixte daye greate wyndes with rayne and hayle: the seuen th daye wyndye: the eyght day in the mornynge fayre, but about after noone rayne and hayle: the nynthe day drye and somwhat wyndy. the tenthe fayre, and somewhat hotter then before: the eleuenth shall be a cold and moyste daye. And you shall haue aboute the xii. of Iune aforesayd rayne and hayle: the xiii. of Iune aforesayde in the mornynge cloudye, in the after¦noone fayre, but somewhat to hotte, the xiiii. of Iune] aforesayde sommewhat wyndy in the mornynge, and the same wynde is lyke to continue all the same day, the xv. of Iune aforesaid cloudy in the forenoone, but after noon faire and somwhat hot wether: The .xvi. of Iune aforesaid in the morning ther shalbe a litle swete dew of raine, y xvii. of Iune in the mornyng somwhat windye, but faire wether with whyte cloudes, but at tenne a clocke cloudye and close, and at after noon: and specially that nyght somewhat hotter then it was before, the xviii. daye aboute the after noone wyndye somewhat hotter then before:

It is a gift. Look at the third dying next to Jesus on the cross. What required him to get to paradise?

All the prophets that spoke on behalf of G-d, spoke in accordance with the Torah and tried to bring Israel back to proper Torah observance. Not a single prophet added or subtracted from the Torah as per G-d's Command.

So you believe that a man can die for your sins? That goes against G-d and his Torah. G-d doesn't have a human son, that too is a pagan idea. You really need to go back and study your Torah again without inserting JC into every passage. It would do you some good and maybe then you would be a true servant of G-d.

Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
"This is how you know that the inspired statement is from God: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God. 3 But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world." 1Jo4

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If it contradicts G-d's Torah which he called perfect and ever lasting then it isn't from G-d. GO read the end of Deuteronomy again. You aren't to add to the law which is exactly what the Christian faith has done. There is no command that G-d will become a man and die for ones sins. In fact human sacrifice was against the Law's of G-d.

You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe, knowing from whom you learned them 15 and that from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Ti3:16

Ezekiel 18:20-22

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

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Or you could read the Book of Jonah and see that G-d spared them because the repented.

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Who shall we believe, G-d or Saul? You seem to only quote one of them ...

Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

This is a must.

" For since the Law has a shadow of the good things to come, but not the very substance of the things, it* can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered year after year, make those who approach perfect. 2 Otherwise, would not the sacrifices have stopped being offered, because those rendering sacred service once cleansed would have no consciousness of sins anymore? 3 On the contrary, these sacrifices are a reminder of sins year after year, 4 for it is not possible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take sins away." Hb10

A person's name is entered into God's Book of Life at conception. That includes all the names of the sparrows that have ever been conceived and died. God decided to take care of that part on His own so nothing would 'be lost'.
Any questions about who 'the God of the living' will invite into the perfected version of this flawed earth as the Kingdom of Heaven takes us under her wing?

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Interesting that you continue to quote Paul, G-d said otherwise.

Deuteronomy 30:11-20

11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Deuteronomy Chapter 31

24 As soon as Moses had completed writing the words of this Law in a book in their entirety,

25 Moses commanded the Levites who carry the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, saying:

26 “Take this book of the Law and place it at the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, and it will serve as a witness there against you.

27 For I myself well know your rebelliousness and your stubbornness. If you have been so rebellious against Jehovah while I am still alive with you, then how much more so will you be after my death!

28 Gather together to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, and let me speak these words in their hearing, and let me take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against them.

29 For I well know that after my death you will surely act wickedly and turn aside from the way about which I have commanded you. And calamity will certainly befall you at the close of the days, because you will do what is bad in the eyes of Jehovah and you will offend him by the works of your hands.”

Yes how many will qualify?

Yes, because all the Torah is extrapolated out of the Ten Commandments which were the only thing kept in the ark. The laws are a what we are judged by; offering life or death based on ones free will choice.

Nothing to do with JC or them being replaced by a demi-god human sacrifice.

Good try though!

I just had an epiphany by the river, Jesus Christ is the biggest lie to cross the horizon.

Even Jesus was a sinner.

Maybe you inhaled some diesel exhaust from a passing locomotive.

ONLY you Pharisees claim that Jesus was a "mere man".

And Jesus - the SON OF God - SENT by the Father - would most certainly have been TOLD what to tell the Pharisees concerning their OWN "additions" to the written Torah.

And even correct them concerning their interpretation of the written Torah.

Which He did.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

God didn't become a man. He SENT His SON.

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You modern day Pharisees have merely taken up the same arrogance that your ancestors had in Jesus' times.

Father God said the Torah was "perfect"?

Psalm 19:7 IS NOT "thus saith the LORD".

And who's to say that Father God CAN NOT modify His rules should He see the need to?

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Your ancestors were WARNED by Gamaliel.

Acts 5

38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for
if this counsel or this work be of men, it
will come to nought:

39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it;
lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

And WHAT things happened in history AFTER that?

***Your ancestor's hero Saul was converted BY Jesus to Paul, and he preached at all the synagogues north of Israel. He even wrote about his experiences.

***The temple and Jerusalem were utterly destroyed by the "Pharisee-buddy" Romans just 40 years later.

***60 years after that, multi-thousands of Hebrews lost their lives to MORE Roman killings, while your ancestor Pharisees were "allowed" to sneak off and hide.

***Remaining Hebrews around the world were castigated for the next 1800 years.

And what happened to Christianity during ALL that time?

It flourished.

Imagine that.

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His name is YH"VH and as shown throughout the entire Hebrew Scripture, His son is the Israel the Nation of Priests to be a light unto the world.

Why do you cherry pick and not believe the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures where there is no mention of a man dying for your sins and that the laws shouldn't be added to because they were perfect and everlasting.