Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? | |
MlCHAEL
User ID: 75756457 Canada 05/12/2020 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Total credit market debt = 363,614,000,000 364 Billion Dollars Total credit market debt is the money supply It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 258,682,000,000 259 Billion Dollars It's the money the US Government has borrowed from the money supply by issuing bonds. In 1945 the US government had borrowed 259 Billion dollars of the 364 Billion dollar money supply. 259/364 = 0.71 So the US Government had borrowed 71% of the money supply by the end of WW2. Current situation? Total credit market debt = 77,283,520,000,000 77.2 Trillion Dollars. It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 25,162,474,000,000 25.1 Trillion Dollars 25.1/77.2 = 0.32 Meaning that the US Government has borrowed 32% of the money supply. The US Government could borrow another 25 Trillion dollars and still be less in debt than they were following WW2. The USA is not close to bankruptcy. Of course online you all seem to get suckered by promoters of this disinformation. MlCHAEL |
Sledster the Deplorable
User ID: 78325860 United States 05/12/2020 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? It almost seems like they are trying to crash the whole Damn thing. Quoting: ~Newton's Own~ They are borrowing and printing money at a furious pace to keep the house of cards standing for just a little while longer, while at the same time closing food production plants and selling food supplies overseas. You got red states trying to open up and blue states calling for more lock downs, more restrictions. Food supply is going to become a real issue in the coming months. Just what are they buying time for? They can't keep these payments up for long, so just what IS this all about? The last gasp of our Republic. Demonrats only want to destroy it to usher in the NWO. I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78902101 United States 05/12/2020 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? The Rothchild central bank is gone. They will be stuck with the bill because we are not responsible for illegal debt. Our constitution is clear, money is gold and silver. Quoting: ac 18900190 We are going back to an asset backed currency. We are almost there. Watch for Judy Shelton to be hired. Trump has nominated her, but the crooked senate has been holding up the vote. Under the emergency act he could just put her in place. Once Shelton is on board we will see a new system. No more slaves to the Rothchilds. The best part of all of this is it will force the congress to spend responsibly. Most in congress today will be gone soon. The 0.1% is either going to give up their ill gotten gains or end up on a barbecue spit. WE are at that juncture in human history, why do you think they are so desperate clamping down? ANd how effective is their defense when a kid pops a firecracker and they all dive for cover? There is no bread, eat the 0.1% That's the facts! I'm all for capitalism but put some fucking checks and balances back in. This crony monopoly capitalism game is fucked! Labor should reward the producers Taxing the producers is just one of the totally evil aspects of capitalism. ALL taxation should be derived FROM PROFIT AND CAPITAL GAINS, not paychecks for services rendered. |
~Newton's Own~
(OP) User ID: 77801149 United States 05/12/2020 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? They're talking about another $2000 stimulus to each American next month, including all illegals this time. Lol. If this isn't a push for a UBI, I don't know what is. "New normal". A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
jkm1864
User ID: 77810344 United States 05/12/2020 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78093232 Nothing you are saying is untrue, op. the only question is what are you going to do to protect yourself and your loved ones from the pending destructive forces? best of luck. . We're prepared. Thanks for asking. Best of luck to you as well. we have built a monetary system which depends upon the continuous creation of debt. we have leveraged that up and extended our monetary powers throughout the world. we have (as a nation) gotten rich beyond excess using unsound principles and methods. every monetary system throughout history has a beginning and an ending. we are witnessing end effects of the current system. Agreed. But they are also buying time, prolonging that collapse for some very special reason. I just can't figure out what it is yet. I don't think they are prolonging the system I think they are using Covid19 to bring the current system down so they can bring in a new system. The only thing I'm concerned about is the new system going to be fairer for the working class. Pussy Grabber Extraordinaire |
~Newton's Own~
(OP) User ID: 77801149 United States 05/12/2020 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? At the end of WW2 this is how it looked. Quoting: MlCHAEL Total credit market debt = 363,614,000,000 364 Billion Dollars Total credit market debt is the money supply It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 258,682,000,000 259 Billion Dollars It's the money the US Government has borrowed from the money supply by issuing bonds. In 1945 the US government had borrowed 259 Billion dollars of the 364 Billion dollar money supply. 259/364 = 0.71 So the US Government had borrowed 71% of the money supply by the end of WW2. Current situation? Total credit market debt = 77,283,520,000,000 77.2 Trillion Dollars. It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 25,162,474,000,000 25.1 Trillion Dollars 25.1/77.2 = 0.32 Meaning that the US Government has borrowed 32% of the money supply. The US Government could borrow another 25 Trillion dollars and still be less in debt than they were following WW2. The USA is not close to bankruptcy. Of course online you all seem to get suckered by promoters of this disinformation. How much debt are other nations carrying? A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72375200 United States 05/12/2020 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Key strokes, it’s just key stroke 0’s. Even at 25T debt we have an estimated 144T in US assets. Buildings, roads, tunnels, bridges, homes, businesses, ect. They will keep borrowing, and the Fed, IMF, World Bank will keep lending. And then there’s the most powerful military on Earth when they won’t lend |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77960078 Palestine 05/12/2020 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Federal Reserve is printing directly now, most likely. Check out grocery prices, now rising at 30% annualized rate, highest in 46 years. [link to godlike.com (secure)] You're about to see enormous inflation in stuff people need, beyond anything anyone in the US has ever seen before. |
Matrix User ID: 78861709 Australia 05/12/2020 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? From the pensions, 401k and superannuation of those living with their land and property and banked savings held as collateral/bail ins and from the pensions, 401k and superannuation funds from those yet unborn with no inheritance for them. When a wheel barrow of cash is needed to buy the everyday things, people will take the more convenient debt digital currency(credits), and so their privacy, personal information and intellectual property will also be held as collateral. Information is power.....:vlwc: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78902101 United States 05/12/2020 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Hitler did a very interesting thing that I find extremely attractive. What he did is make each laborer a profit sharer and co owner of the company they worked for. He also criminalize usury. It's no wonder he scared the fuck out of the tribe. |
~Newton's Own~
(OP) User ID: 77801149 United States 05/12/2020 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? we have built a monetary system which depends upon the continuous creation of debt. we have leveraged that up and extended our monetary powers throughout the world. we have (as a nation) gotten rich beyond excess using unsound principles and methods. every monetary system throughout history has a beginning and an ending. we are witnessing end effects of the current system. Agreed. But they are also buying time, prolonging that collapse for some very special reason. I just can't figure out what it is yet. I don't think they are prolonging the system I think they are using Covid19 to bring the current system down so they can bring in a new system. The only thing I'm concerned about is the new system going to be fairer for the working class. Um, I can almost promise you it won't. They will use this to strip every bit of rights you have. I read a story today where two cops chased down, tackled and arrested to guys for shaking hands in the fucking park man. Get used to the new normal. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
~Newton's Own~
(OP) User ID: 77801149 United States 05/12/2020 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Federal Reserve is printing directly now, most likely. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77960078 Check out grocery prices, now rising at 30% annualized rate, highest in 46 years. [link to godlike.com (secure)] You're about to see enormous inflation in stuff people need, beyond anything anyone in the US has ever seen before. My grocery bill has gone up $70 a month already. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78902101 United States 05/12/2020 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78093232 we have built a monetary system which depends upon the continuous creation of debt. we have leveraged that up and extended our monetary powers throughout the world. we have (as a nation) gotten rich beyond excess using unsound principles and methods. every monetary system throughout history has a beginning and an ending. we are witnessing end effects of the current system. Agreed. But they are also buying time, prolonging that collapse for some very special reason. I just can't figure out what it is yet. I don't think they are prolonging the system I think they are using Covid19 to bring the current system down so they can bring in a new system. The only thing I'm concerned about is the new system going to be fairer for the working class. Um, I can almost promise you it won't. They will use this to strip every bit of rights you have. I read a story today where two cops chased down, tackled and arrested to guys for shaking hands in the fucking park man. Get used to the new normal. Only a matter of time before people start shooting back now |
Irish eyes
User ID: 30780236 United States 05/12/2020 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? It almost seems like they are trying to crash the whole Damn thing. Quoting: ~Newton's Own~ They are borrowing and printing money at a furious pace to keep the house of cards standing for just a little while longer, while at the same time closing food production plants and selling food supplies overseas. You got red states trying to open up and blue states calling for more lock downs, more restrictions. Food supply is going to become a real issue in the coming months. Just what are they buying time for? They can't keep these payments up for long, so just what IS this all about? When your money is the world reserve currency then you can do whatever you want. Inflation is still a real thing, but that is easy to keep tabs on. And thats the whole reason all of this happened. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ANY MORE you moron. Yep. Few see it but the experiment is over Irish eyes |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78902101 United States 05/12/2020 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Key strokes, it’s just key stroke 0’s. Even at 25T debt we have an estimated 144T in US assets. Buildings, roads, tunnels, bridges, homes, businesses, ect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72375200 They will keep borrowing, and the Fed, IMF, World Bank will keep lending. And then there’s the most powerful military on Earth when they won’t lend Yep, and 120 Trillion of it is owned by the working blue and white middle class. Real property and equity. Yep And thats what their after |
~Newton's Own~
(OP) User ID: 77801149 United States 05/12/2020 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? ... Quoting: ~Newton's Own~ Agreed. But they are also buying time, prolonging that collapse for some very special reason. I just can't figure out what it is yet. I don't think they are prolonging the system I think they are using Covid19 to bring the current system down so they can bring in a new system. The only thing I'm concerned about is the new system going to be fairer for the working class. Um, I can almost promise you it won't. They will use this to strip every bit of rights you have. I read a story today where two cops chased down, tackled and arrested to guys for shaking hands in the fucking park man. Get used to the new normal. Only a matter of time before people start shooting back now That's just it. I'm afraid that's what they want, what they're waiting for. They keep pushing and pushing. Just extended lock down in L.A. for THREE more months man. Just got off the phone with my father in law out there man, and they aren't having it. This is a slow fuse, but its burning. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78905284 United States 05/12/2020 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? At the end of WW2 this is how it looked. Quoting: MlCHAEL Total credit market debt = 363,614,000,000 364 Billion Dollars Total credit market debt is the money supply It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 258,682,000,000 259 Billion Dollars It's the money the US Government has borrowed from the money supply by issuing bonds. In 1945 the US government had borrowed 259 Billion dollars of the 364 Billion dollar money supply. 259/364 = 0.71 So the US Government had borrowed 71% of the money supply by the end of WW2. Current situation? Total credit market debt = 77,283,520,000,000 77.2 Trillion Dollars. It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 25,162,474,000,000 25.1 Trillion Dollars 25.1/77.2 = 0.32 Meaning that the US Government has borrowed 32% of the money supply. The US Government could borrow another 25 Trillion dollars and still be less in debt than they were following WW2. The USA is not close to bankruptcy. Of course online you all seem to get suckered by promoters of this disinformation. WW2 is an extremely anomalous data point. It was preceded by huge deflation from the Great Depression which offset some initial inflation, 1940 to 1946 actually had 50+% inflation and the economy had massive price controls, some things were outright banned. Get ready for a surprise. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78902101 United States 05/12/2020 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? ... Quoting: jkm1864 I don't think they are prolonging the system I think they are using Covid19 to bring the current system down so they can bring in a new system. The only thing I'm concerned about is the new system going to be fairer for the working class. Um, I can almost promise you it won't. They will use this to strip every bit of rights you have. I read a story today where two cops chased down, tackled and arrested to guys for shaking hands in the fucking park man. Get used to the new normal. Only a matter of time before people start shooting back now That's just it. I'm afraid that's what they want, what they're waiting for. They keep pushing and pushing. Just extended lock down in L.A. for THREE more months man. Just got off the phone with my father in law out there man, and they aren't having it. This is a slow fuse, but its burning. Cops dont have to enforce unconstitutional laws or behave in a criminal manner, but if they do they're just another armed and dangerous criminal IMO. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77820347 United States 05/12/2020 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? It almost seems like they are trying to crash the whole Damn thing. Quoting: ~Newton's Own~ They are borrowing and printing money at a furious pace to keep the house of cards standing for just a little while longer, while at the same time closing food production plants and selling food supplies overseas. You got red states trying to open up and blue states calling for more lock downs, more restrictions. Food supply is going to become a real issue in the coming months. Just what are they buying time for? They can't keep these payments up for long, so just what IS this all about? Trump is borrowing the money and massively adding to the nation's debt. |
~Newton's Own~
(OP) User ID: 77801149 United States 05/12/2020 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? ... Quoting: ~Newton's Own~ Um, I can almost promise you it won't. They will use this to strip every bit of rights you have. I read a story today where two cops chased down, tackled and arrested to guys for shaking hands in the fucking park man. Get used to the new normal. Only a matter of time before people start shooting back now That's just it. I'm afraid that's what they want, what they're waiting for. They keep pushing and pushing. Just extended lock down in L.A. for THREE more months man. Just got off the phone with my father in law out there man, and they aren't having it. This is a slow fuse, but its burning. Cops dont have to enforce unconstitutional laws or behave in a criminal manner, but if they do they're just another armed and dangerous criminal IMO. He is a staunch democrat man, california liberal, wears a white guilt bracelet and he is turning on Gavin Newsome. We've never gotten along now I hear him stating the same points I used to state to him! They've had enough. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78908170 Germany 05/12/2020 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? It almost seems like they are trying to crash the whole Damn thing. Quoting: ~Newton's Own~ They are borrowing and printing money at a furious pace to keep the house of cards standing for just a little while longer, while at the same time closing food production plants and selling food supplies overseas. You got red states trying to open up and blue states calling for more lock downs, more restrictions. Food supply is going to become a real issue in the coming months. Just what are they buying time for? They can't keep these payments up for long, so just what IS this all about? Have you ever raised the same question (or at least a similar one) over military spending? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5461667 United States 05/12/2020 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? If you could print your way to wealth, security and a high life style Zimbabwe would be the richest nation in the world. And don't think they are unaware of the disaster they are going to cause. Problem/Reaction/Solution this time will leave you all serfs scratching for a bowl of bat soup and a stale crust of bread for a long day's toil. Just like those paupers you might see in a medieval story book. The chosen will sit like kings and eat the good stuff. Find a hard money candidate and support him or her, that's all you can do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73380539 United States 05/12/2020 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Here is your answer [link to i.4cdn.org (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5461667 United States 05/12/2020 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Not so- they could cut the Empire, cut the freebies, run off the illegals, put the country back to work and pay them in hard currency, raise interest rates, remove the FED and have congress issue such currency as is required to provide trade and a GNP. Do we need bases in most every country around the world? 60,000 troops in Germany and So Korea? We need hardened electrical grid, repaired bridges, flood control projects and roads. Not more war. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78908183 United States 05/12/2020 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? Hitler did a very interesting thing that I find extremely attractive. What he did is make each laborer a profit sharer and co owner of the company they worked for. He also criminalize usury. It's no wonder he scared the fuck out of the tribe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78902101 that's how he fixed Germany in five years. . |
MlCHAEL
User ID: 75756457 Canada 05/12/2020 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? At the end of WW2 this is how it looked. Quoting: MlCHAEL Total credit market debt = 363,614,000,000 364 Billion Dollars Total credit market debt is the money supply It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 258,682,000,000 259 Billion Dollars It's the money the US Government has borrowed from the money supply by issuing bonds. In 1945 the US government had borrowed 259 Billion dollars of the 364 Billion dollar money supply. 259/364 = 0.71 So the US Government had borrowed 71% of the money supply by the end of WW2. Current situation? Total credit market debt = 77,283,520,000,000 77.2 Trillion Dollars. It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 25,162,474,000,000 25.1 Trillion Dollars 25.1/77.2 = 0.32 Meaning that the US Government has borrowed 32% of the money supply. The US Government could borrow another 25 Trillion dollars and still be less in debt than they were following WW2. The USA is not close to bankruptcy. Of course online you all seem to get suckered by promoters of this disinformation. How much debt are other nations carrying? How about this. The same system in operation in the USA is the same system in operation globally. 99% of what you utilize as money in the USA exists as electromagnetic polarity differentials on hard disk platters. Most of what you utilize as money is in fact credit or debt. You all globally use previously created debt or an asset inflated in price by previously created debt as collateral backing your request of a commercial bank to create new debt. It's been like this since before anyone alive was born. The entire history of the USA and world has been financed into existence this way. MlCHAEL |
MrReality
User ID: 47345121 Canada 05/12/2020 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where is the trillions coming from for payments and bailouts when our nation is essentially bankrupt? At the end of WW2 this is how it looked. Quoting: MlCHAEL Total credit market debt = 363,614,000,000 364 Billion Dollars Total credit market debt is the money supply It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 258,682,000,000 259 Billion Dollars It's the money the US Government has borrowed from the money supply by issuing bonds. In 1945 the US government had borrowed 259 Billion dollars of the 364 Billion dollar money supply. 259/364 = 0.71 So the US Government had borrowed 71% of the money supply by the end of WW2. Current situation? Total credit market debt = 77,283,520,000,000 77.2 Trillion Dollars. It's all the money the population has requested commercial banks to create or issue. The public debt = 25,162,474,000,000 25.1 Trillion Dollars 25.1/77.2 = 0.32 Meaning that the US Government has borrowed 32% of the money supply. The US Government could borrow another 25 Trillion dollars and still be less in debt than they were following WW2. The USA is not close to bankruptcy. Of course online you all seem to get suckered by promoters of this disinformation. That's just wizardry. To make it simple, the reality is: The USA was worth more then or had a higher GDP. Now the gold is gone, the infrastructure falling apart, etc. Not so much good faith in the USA from the world. Total expenditure US gov 2019 - 4.5 trillion Total revenue US gov 2019 - 3.5 trillion So even before the "Covid thing" there is a massive deficit annualy. Now the USA is seeking to borrow 3 trillion next quarter. The harlot that is mystery Babylon has been entreating her lovers like is written in the bible, now they turn on her. wmMmw |
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