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Op,

What is your opinion of the Devine secret garden series?
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Hi. I have never heard of it. Please give us a summary if you can :)



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Well that would take some time. There are 8’ish books written by a person who has “broken through” the dogma and has spent a lot of time documenting his experiences and understandings.

He sounds a lot like you...insisting we live in a created matrix’ish 3-D world, but we really exist in the fourth dimension and are projecting ourselves to the 3-D, and warns against being reincarnated...

His theory is not so much of this world being a training ground, but we can evolve out of it over many lifetimes....as Christ eventually did.

I will write more if you are interested.
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Cameron Day video from a couple days ago, he only has two videos up, this one is great well worth a listen:



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Great video. He has developed a real belief Trump is a good guy. I hope he is correct.

Cameron Day also has some incredible interviews he did with various shows/podcasts. They are on youtube if you search them.

This important article he wrote is a MUST READ:

Part 1: [link to www.ascensionhelp.com]

and the extremely important

Part 2: [link to www.ascensionhelp.com]

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Sorry, my message got mixed up with yours..

hello there I saw the Matrix one time I was maybe dreaming of it like I was there enter the pink color of it and woke up just like Neo when he woke up in the tube of it..but I fell asleep in it so

I woke up in my body so I just wonder if this dream was real or not my question is will I able to time travel and change thing or not also my friend told me I will be reborn again and again like I don't remember my past or future all easers all over again

now that bad..
so how do I don't do this all over again but break free from it..so write back OPhiding
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Hi. Fascinating to hear you experienced the TUBE.

I have personall never experienced it but have heard from MANY people around the world who have.

One person I have chatted with numerous times and consider very intelligent and credible told me about when he what happened to him while he was doing psychedelics:

He woke up in a tube similar to those seen the first matrix movie. It was filled what a weird substance that he said looked like pink sand. He sat up briefly and saw numerous other pods/tubes. He was the approached by an INSECTOID ALIEN who said "You must go back to sleep! You will be punished" The being then shocked him with what looked like a high tech version of a cattle prod.



ok I have another Question for u do you know anything about the world of supernatural people Vampire,other supernatural being who have super gift super speed..and thought anyway another question is this if u astral projection which I am trying to do it but just to expore other realms so can I also time travel to the past and future?? write back thank you op
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We are all trapped inside of a SIMULATED UNIVERSE. It is currently controlled by the brutally evil ARCHONS.

The Satanic Global Elite worship the Archons and herd humanity in exchange for power.

After Physical Death all humans are routed into the ASTRAL AFTERLIFE. Many people have been there during ASTRAL PROJECTION and LUCID DREAMING. The Afterlife is very similar to our Dimension and has houses, building, cars etc.

Sadly it is under even more control than this enslaved dimension. All deceased humans are subjected to long term PROGRAMMING/MIND CONTROL to get them to accept the completely made up scam known as KARMIC DEBT.

The psychotic parasites known as THE ARCHONS pose as Guides/Lords/Ascended Masters. They are brutally cruel and demonic LOOSH ENERGY PARASITES.

They created REINCARNATION. The only purpose of reincarnation is to ENSLAVE HUMANITY.

If you want this madness to end and create real freedom: ABSOLUTELY REFUSE REINCARNATION



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Op is either trolling or is a complete and utter idiot. Either way fuck off op.
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Op is either trolling or is a complete and utter idiot. Either way fuck off op.
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Wow, what a powerful argument!

After reading EVERY post in the entire thread, as well as the LINKS posted, consuming hours and hours of time to digest.... YOU ALONE have completely convinced me beyond all doubt! Your argument is so informed and advanced in thought and analysis, that no other argument can possibly stand against it!

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Op is either trolling or is a complete and utter idiot. Either way fuck off op.
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Please do not be involved in this thread. You do not meet the minimum I.Q. requirement necessary for participation.

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We are all trapped inside of a SIMULATED UNIVERSE. It is currently controlled by the brutally evil ARCHONS.

The Satanic Global Elite worship the Archons and herd humanity in exchange for power.

After Physical Death all humans are routed into the ASTRAL AFTERLIFE. Many people have been there during ASTRAL PROJECTION and LUCID DREAMING. The Afterlife is very similar to our Dimension and has houses, building, cars etc.

Sadly it is under even more control than this enslaved dimension. All deceased humans are subjected to long term PROGRAMMING/MIND CONTROL to get them to accept the completely made up scam known as KARMIC DEBT.

The psychotic parasites known as THE ARCHONS pose as Guides/Lords/Ascended Masters. They are brutally cruel and demonic LOOSH ENERGY PARASITES.

They created REINCARNATION. The only purpose of reincarnation is to ENSLAVE HUMANITY.

If you want this madness to end and create real freedom: ABSOLUTELY REFUSE REINCARNATION



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I am called a retard for exposing how humanity has been completely conned and manipulated.

Please enjoy your never ending FORCED REINCARNATIONS INTO ENSLAVEMENT.

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You should become a sci-fi writer.
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Sci Fi is fiction. These are facts.

I have no interest in profiting from this in any way. I want to help bring REAL FREEDOM to all SENTIENT BEINGS.

Please remember this conversation when you are about to be sent back and reborn into ENSLAVEMENT.



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So...

We die. We go to an astral hell. Then, after 30 years, we get reincarnated and come back to this hell. And it doesn't matter how good or bad we are in this life...it's all a crap shoot how we'll fare in the astral and how we'll turn out here again when we get reincarnated. But even the best of lives and deaths are still kind of shitty.

Or we can try to fight the astral existence and remain here as an earth-bound ghost after discorporating. (And how long do ghosts stay here for? Do we have caveman ghosts, or do ghosts eventually get reincarnated too eventually?)

You're saying these are the only possible scenarios? Ghost or astral/reincarnation, repeat ad nauseam. You don't really tell us how to get to the special FREE place.

Also, if we're all the unlucky ones who got trapped here in this Earth/astral hell cycle, how come there are billions of people alive today, but only a few hundred million a few centuries ago?? Where did all of these other souls come from? How can we have like 8 billion on Earth today, when back in the 1700s there were less than 1 billion people living?

And who is the REAL me?? If I've been reincarnated hundreds or thousands of times and my memory has been wiped, who is the REAL ME if/when I escape this MATRIX and reach that special Nirvana?

Still, I find your theory intriguing, OP.
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I tend to think it's the energy we build and exude in this life that manifests who we are in the next. I don't think it's entirely futile, that is, our thoughts, choices, actions that we manifest into being. I believe there is something to the universal laws - the law of attraction, the law of reflection, the law of projection, the law of manifestation, the law of frequency or vibration, etc:
[link to universalspirituallaws.blogspot.com (secure)]

I believe there is a lot of truth to what Gandhi said:

“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”

I sense we carry these energies with us - it is what we create and it is what we manifest from the here and now, onto the passing into the next realm and into our next incarnation. It could be why we manifest our next lives in certain places, families, periods in time, even our physical bodies.

I do believe this realm is a soul trap - John the Baptist described this hellish creator of this realm in the The Apocryphon of John (aka The Secret Book of John and The Secret Revelation of John):

[link to gnosis.org]

I also believe our spark of divinity is powerful in manifesting ourselves up and out of this realm. I don't know how but believe we can remove the shackles that tether us into this being, into this realm.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead has a rite of passage they read when one departs this realm and enters the afterlife:

[link to www.near-death.com (secure)]

I've been reflecting a lot on death lately. My sister lost her battle with cancer and passed away nearly 2 weeks ago. I know she did not want to die. I know she died painfully and full of fear. I can't find anything comforting about her death - only that the physical pain is gone.
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Hi. You should try to connect and visit her in the Astral Afterlife. I visited my deceased uncle last night.



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So...

We die. We go to an astral hell. Then, after 30 years, we get reincarnated and come back to this hell. And it doesn't matter how good or bad we are in this life...it's all a crap shoot how we'll fare in the astral and how we'll turn out here again when we get reincarnated. But even the best of lives and deaths are still kind of shitty.

Or we can try to fight the astral existence and remain here as an earth-bound ghost after discorporating. (And how long do ghosts stay here for? Do we have caveman ghosts, or do ghosts eventually get reincarnated too eventually?)

You're saying these are the only possible scenarios? Ghost or astral/reincarnation, repeat ad nauseam. You don't really tell us how to get to the special FREE place.

Also, if we're all the unlucky ones who got trapped here in this Earth/astral hell cycle, how come there are billions of people alive today, but only a few hundred million a few centuries ago?? Where did all of these other souls come from? How can we have like 8 billion on Earth today, when back in the 1700s there were less than 1 billion people living?

And who is the REAL me?? If I've been reincarnated hundreds or thousands of times and my memory has been wiped, who is the REAL ME if/when I escape this MATRIX and reach that special Nirvana?

Still, I find your theory intriguing, OP.
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I tend to think it's the energy we build and exude in this life that manifests who we are in the next. I don't think it's entirely futile, that is, our thoughts, choices, actions that we manifest into being. I believe there is something to the universal laws - the law of attraction, the law of reflection, the law of projection, the law of manifestation, the law of frequency or vibration, etc:
[link to universalspirituallaws.blogspot.com (secure)]

I believe there is a lot of truth to what Gandhi said:

“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”

I sense we carry these energies with us - it is what we create and it is what we manifest from the here and now, onto the passing into the next realm and into our next incarnation. It could be why we manifest our next lives in certain places, families, periods in time, even our physical bodies.

I do believe this realm is a soul trap - John the Baptist described this hellish creator of this realm in the The Apocryphon of John (aka The Secret Book of John and The Secret Revelation of John):

[link to gnosis.org]

I also believe our spark of divinity is powerful in manifesting ourselves up and out of this realm. I don't know how but believe we can remove the shackles that tether us into this being, into this realm.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead has a rite of passage they read when one departs this realm and enters the afterlife:

[link to www.near-death.com (secure)]

I've been reflecting a lot on death lately. My sister lost her battle with cancer and passed away nearly 2 weeks ago. I know she did not want to die. I know she died painfully and full of fear. I can't find anything comforting about her death - only that the physical pain is gone.
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Hi. You should try to connect and visit her in the Astral Afterlife. I visited my deceased uncle last night.



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OP,

What are the GOOD things about the Earth plane?

Good will, love, caring for others, pets, animals, beauty... do these things offer us any respite from the Matrix, or does surrounding ourselves with them or acting upon good will eschew the INFLUENCE of the Archons in any way?

Or does continuing to participate in the false Earth Matrix in ANY capacity simply reinforce its control over us, and entrap us further?
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The objective in this PHYSICAL DIMENSION is to RAISE YOUR PERSONAL VIBRATION and EXPAND YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. The Archons and their henchmen the SATANIC GLOBAL ELITE want to keep humanity down and create as much DENSE LOW VIBRATIONAL ENERGY as possible. This is why they create False Flags, Wars and perform brutally evil SATANIC RITUALS.


Good will, love and caring for others, pets and and all animals creates strong fields of HIGH VIBRATION. At point humanity as a whole VIBRATES ABOVE THE MATRIX. If the majority of people woke up, learned the hidden truth, and changed they way they think the evil cabal could not control us.



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Hello again OP,

I wish there was a way I could email you some links. I have all the books. And I also have them in an audio format where and automatic reader is narrating so I can listen to it without having to read through it.The audios are 6 to 9 hours long each.

I love to be able to talk to folks that have walked down this road, might say to the point where they know we’re in the matrix. Sort of like Neo, he knew there was something different going on. Problem with me is I’m not very spiritual. Sometimes I see things and sometimes I have lucid dreams, but I’ve never been in an astral plane that I know of or had an out of body experience.Although having said that, I do believe that when we are young we have a lot of out of body experiences. For instance the common dream of being able to fly is in my opinion, and out of body experience.

Anyway if there is a way to pass along an email, I could share a link to the audio, they are almost 200 MB each so they cannot be emailed directly.
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Hello again OP,

I wish there was a way I could email you some links. I have all the books. And I also have them in an audio format where and automatic reader is narrating so I can listen to it without having to read through it.The audios are 6 to 9 hours long each.

I love to be able to talk to folks that have walked down this road, might say to the point where they know we’re in the matrix. Sort of like Neo, he knew there was something different going on. Problem with me is I’m not very spiritual. Sometimes I see things and sometimes I have lucid dreams, but I’ve never been in an astral plane that I know of or had an out of body experience.Although having said that, I do believe that when we are young we have a lot of out of body experiences. For instance the common dream of being able to fly is in my opinion, and out of body experience.

Anyway if there is a way to pass along an email, I could share a link to the audio, they are almost 200 MB each so they cannot be emailed directly.
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Hi. Can do you mind putting your email address on here. I will contact you and we can discuss much more material.

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I would appreciate any information on how to train myself to “tune into” the higher vibrations. The best I can do is, when all is super calm and I have not been drinking, I can watch the back of my eyelids until images appear...but usually as they become clear it surprises me and I jump back to my conscious state...once in a while I can achieve a “lucid” state where I am able to see while I am “aware I am seeing.” I believe this is my pineal gland kicking in. But it is futile to try...futile to force it...it must come form a different state of meditation...I just have t found it yet.
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Hello again OP,

I wish there was a way I could email you some links. I have all the books. And I also have them in an audio format where and automatic reader is narrating so I can listen to it without having to read through it.The audios are 6 to 9 hours long each.

I love to be able to talk to folks that have walked down this road, might say to the point where they know we’re in the matrix. Sort of like Neo, he knew there was something different going on. Problem with me is I’m not very spiritual. Sometimes I see things and sometimes I have lucid dreams, but I’ve never been in an astral plane that I know of or had an out of body experience.Although having said that, I do believe that when we are young we have a lot of out of body experiences. For instance the common dream of being able to fly is in my opinion, and out of body experience.

Anyway if there is a way to pass along an email, I could share a link to the audio, they are almost 200 MB each so they cannot be emailed directly.
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Hi. Can do you mind putting your email address on here. I will contact you and we can discuss much more material.

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I will think about it :)

If I do it will be in a series of posts and you will have good e together.

More later, must retire. Thanks for the thread
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I would appreciate any information on how to train myself to “tune into” the higher vibrations. The best I can do is, when all is super calm and I have not been drinking, I can watch the back of my eyelids until images appear...but usually as they become clear it surprises me and I jump back to my conscious state...once in a while I can achieve a “lucid” state where I am able to see while I am “aware I am seeing.” I believe this is my pineal gland kicking in. But it is futile to try...futile to force it...it must come form a different state of meditation...I just have t found it yet.
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How To Visualize Your Way to Lucid Dreams: [link to www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com (secure)]



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Hi OP,

Tell us about human aging.

Why do we age, why do we live such specific lifespans (72 yrs avg)?

We have this specific time on 3rd Dimensional Earth and it is very "set" and specific with certain "laws" that never deviate.

Do the ARCHONS, Elites have tech to LIVE LONGER?
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Hi. It is way past my bedtime. I will be back tomorrow and answer all your questions in great detail :)



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Ever hear of the book of the dead? this guys on the money. The way out?

Become a god become an immortal and free yourself.
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Ever hear of the book of the dead? this guys on the money. The way out?

Become a god become an immortal and free yourself.
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Hi. Basically that is what we are trying to do: Spread the actual truth. Get people to think differently. REMOVE THE ARCHONS FROM POWER. PERMANENTLY END REINCARNATION.

The True Nature of humanity is to BECOME IMMORTAL. People need to stop praying to Deities.

All Sentient Beings are meant to ETERNALLY EXPAND. Become a LIMITLESS CREATOR.



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Ever hear of the book of the dead? this guys on the money. The way out?

Become a god become an immortal and free yourself.
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Hi. Basically that is what we are trying to do: Spread the actual truth. Get people to think differently. REMOVE THE ARCHONS FROM POWER. PERMANENTLY END REINCARNATION.

The True Nature of humanity is to BECOME IMMORTAL. People need to stop praying to Deities.

All Sentient Beings are meant to ETERNALLY EXPAND. Become a LIMITLESS CREATOR.



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Ever hear of the book of the dead? this guys on the money. The way out?

Become a god become an immortal and free yourself.
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Hi. Basically that is what we are trying to do: Spread the actual truth. Get people to think differently. REMOVE THE ARCHONS FROM POWER. PERMANENTLY END REINCARNATION.

The True Nature of humanity is to BECOME IMMORTAL. People need to stop praying to Deities.

All Sentient Beings are meant to ETERNALLY EXPAND. Become a LIMITLESS CREATOR.



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Ever hear of the book of the dead? this guys on the money. The way out?

Become a god become an immortal and free yourself.
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Hi. Basically that is what we are trying to do: Spread the actual truth. Get people to think differently. REMOVE THE ARCHONS FROM POWER. PERMANENTLY END REINCARNATION.

The True Nature of humanity is to BECOME IMMORTAL. People need to stop praying to Deities.

All Sentient Beings are meant to ETERNALLY EXPAND. Become a LIMITLESS CREATOR.



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Ever hear of the book of the dead? this guys on the money. The way out?

Become a god become an immortal and free yourself.
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Hi. Basically that is what we are trying to do: Spread the actual truth. Get people to think differently. REMOVE THE ARCHONS FROM POWER. PERMANENTLY END REINCARNATION.

The True Nature of humanity is to BECOME IMMORTAL. People need to stop praying to Deities.

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OP i am not allowed to post thread details are i am being banned.

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Re: After Physical Death all humans are sent into the ASTRAL AFTERLIFE. It is even worse there...
One more thing OP, how is the country of birth decided? I have seen cases where the individual was born in west and claimed to be eastern in last life.

Cuz i dont fit in this eastern culture. For me being born in a third world country and non white is the biggest curse.
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Real interesting thread. Couple of comments.

Your link to the Falling man and the tarot didn't work. Interestingly, I believe I wrote one of the first (if not the first) blog entry on that topic many years ago. I notice now there are others and mine is vanished since I changed websites... but anyhow, fascinating subject. I went into more detail about there being collective archetypes that manifest in the real world, but some other people did some good work on that subject matter too, so kudos, that is the power of the internet we all contribute to a subject.

So with that in mind, I would like to comment specifically about your theory of reincarnation. I can see how you, as an astral traveler, would find the idea of being reincarnated endlessly a burden. But I personally delight in the idea of getting another chance to do better the next time around. In fact it is of great comfort to think I will get another chance to do better given another chance. I feel I was real close to accomplishing my goals and given another try or two (or three lol) I can really achieve some of my material goals.

Secondly, your description of the astral plane sounds glorious to me. I would love to knock back some drinks, get some free sex, and hang out in a club and watch Sublime perform! Sounds like heaven! Better than angels with harps.

I think telling some people to stay away from the light could be disastrous. Being stuck in a simulation as a ghost? No thanks! And these psychics you are describing as morons... they could be trying to relieve the ghosts' pain or torment. I am guessing many of these ghosts are trapped because they were still attached to something here in the simulation and weren't ready to move on... but they are clearly not going to accomplish anything here are they? Even you said the chance for them to figure out how to escape is a long shot at best. So it sounds like these psychics are helping them by telling them to go to the light. At least they can come back and participate in the collective again, and not just "haunt".

But like someone else said in this thread, what might be true for me is not true for you. For some people, religion gives their lives meaning. And for me maybe reincarnation and this astral plane sounds enjoyable, while for others it is a trap because they prefer to live forever without a memory wipe. What about people who experienced trauma? A memory wipe might be good for them.

Now as far as these archons are concerned, I feel it is maybe a trade off. They provide us with reincarnation and a realistic holographic simulation and we provide them with the energy they crave. Maybe that is why we watch movies, to create these emotions for them. We can feel fear in the context of a movie and maybe avoid the real thing. We are not all tormented by fears. And what about laughter, joy, pleasure (you said they get off on sex)? Those are pleasurable emotions so maybe a win-win on those. I don't know, I am just throwing that out there to further the discussion, but I have no problem allowing my laughter and joy to be shared with others. I definitely don't want to be traumatized, or in pain, but really I have avoided that in my life for the most part. That is why we have painkillers. And again, maybe movies and tv and video games are a substitute for real fear and other negative emotions. It seems some people like to watch horror movies and be scared, so maybe that is why?

I hear what you are saying about the millions of impoverished 3rd world people and I agree I wouldn't want to be one of them, but do you really think your message of stay away from the light is going to affect those people? Let's face it they are focused on the mundane, trying to stay alive and fed, I doubt very much they can think of anything beyond that ... and are you telling me this astral plane is worse than being impoverished? Doesn't sound like it to me? Sounds like a trip to Vegas the way you described it.

The only thing that bothers me about the concept of reincarnation is this memory wipe. I want to be able to continue where I left off. I don't need all the details, but it would be nice to have some talents that I developed remain, and I think they do... how else do you explain musical prodigies who at the age of 4 can play piano concertos like a seasoned pro? Maybe most of your memories are wiped for the sake of the illusion, but I am guessing some of your talents might remain, and even you intimated your subconscious will still draw you to certain things based on previous experiences.

Well that is my two cents for now, but great thread, I love all the contributions and I don't think anyone was wrong in their ideas, I think we all have unique experiences based on what it is we are trying to experience or accomplish, and the idea of reincarnation can give people relief in knowing their dead relatives or loved ones are not lost forever or trapped in hell (unless of course that is what they wanted to experience for some reason).
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Re: After Physical Death all humans are sent into the ASTRAL AFTERLIFE. It is even worse there...
Matthew 10:28 (Jesus speaking)

"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul;

but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Because soul is the self, right ? One's unique identity and memories as an individual, like Lazarus had when he "obeyed Jesus' voice" ["My sheep know my voice."] and came out of his tomb, where he'd lain dead for 4 days. He didn't report any NDE-type experiences or other while-dead adventures, but resumed his own life where he'd left off, as far as we're told, except now Jesus' enemies were determined to kill Lazarus too, because this was widely known and causing a 'sensation' among the people, which might cause a Roman crackdown on them all. And though it was 'sad u see' the Saducees 'knew' there was no afterlife of any kind and the Pharisees believed in re-incarnation to a different body and identity , they having undergone a Zoroastrian-type cultural enrichment process that resulted in this new understanding/gnosis
that was different from the scriptural one. --the one expressed by Lazarus'
sister Martha when she said, "i know he will rise, Lord, at the last day." [not realizing she was just about to receive a foretaste, though only temporary, of what that promise when fulfilled "at the last day" will be like.

And "hell" is the grave, right ? And fire destroys completely, which is what becomes of a soul/self/ identity when God chooses to forget that individual [if it's a proven hopeless case].
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Thread: Does Enoch Explain the Jesus / Thief "Paradise" & the "Lazarus / Rich Man" Places?
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Levirate marriage :


Thread: The meaning of "Lazarus and the Rich Man" (Page 2)

Raising up son for Er's name , even ?

Tamar and Judah's son, Perez is in Jesus' genealogies in Luke [and Matthew]-
[link to wol.jw.org (secure)]

Marginal References

Ruth 4:12
12 May your house become like the house of Perez,+ whom Tamar bore to Judah, through the offspring that Jehovah will give you by this young woman.”+


Ruth 4:18, 19
18 Now this is the family line* of Perez:+ Perez became father to Hezron;+ 19 Hezron became father to Ram; Ram became father to Amminadab;


1 Chronicles 2:4, 5
4 Tamar, Judah’s daughter-in-law, bore to him Perez and Zerah. Judah had five sons in all.
5 The sons of Perez were Hezron and Hamul.


Jesus' friends Lazarus and his sisters lived in Bethany-
It is generally believed that the Benjamite city of Ananiah (Ne 11:32) was the ancient site corresponding to the village of Bethany in Jesus’ day.
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Real interesting thread. Couple of comments.

Your link to the Falling man and the tarot didn't work. Interestingly, I believe I wrote one of the first (if not the first) blog entry on that topic many years ago. I notice now there are others and mine is vanished since I changed websites... but anyhow, fascinating subject. I went into more detail about there being collective archetypes that manifest in the real world, but some other people did some good work on that subject matter too, so kudos, that is the power of the internet we all contribute to a subject.

So with that in mind, I would like to comment specifically about your theory of reincarnation. I can see how you, as an astral traveler, would find the idea of being reincarnated endlessly a burden. But I personally delight in the idea of getting another chance to do better the next time around. In fact it is of great comfort to think I will get another chance to do better given another chance. I feel I was real close to accomplishing my goals and given another try or two (or three lol) I can really achieve some of my material goals.

Secondly, your description of the astral plane sounds glorious to me. I would love to knock back some drinks, get some free sex, and hang out in a club and watch Sublime perform! Sounds like heaven! Better than angels with harps.

I think telling some people to stay away from the light could be disastrous. Being stuck in a simulation as a ghost? No thanks! And these psychics you are describing as morons... they could be trying to relieve the ghosts' pain or torment. I am guessing many of these ghosts are trapped because they were still attached to something here in the simulation and weren't ready to move on... but they are clearly not going to accomplish anything here are they? Even you said the chance for them to figure out how to escape is a long shot at best. So it sounds like these psychics are helping them by telling them to go to the light. At least they can come back and participate in the collective again, and not just "haunt".

But like someone else said in this thread, what might be true for me is not true for you. For some people, religion gives their lives meaning. And for me maybe reincarnation and this astral plane sounds enjoyable, while for others it is a trap because they prefer to live forever without a memory wipe. What about people who experienced trauma? A memory wipe might be good for them.

Now as far as these archons are concerned, I feel it is maybe a trade off. They provide us with reincarnation and a realistic holographic simulation and we provide them with the energy they crave. Maybe that is why we watch movies, to create these emotions for them. We can feel fear in the context of a movie and maybe avoid the real thing. We are not all tormented by fears. And what about laughter, joy, pleasure (you said they get off on sex)? Those are pleasurable emotions so maybe a win-win on those. I don't know, I am just throwing that out there to further the discussion, but I have no problem allowing my laughter and joy to be shared with others. I definitely don't want to be traumatized, or in pain, but really I have avoided that in my life for the most part. That is why we have painkillers. And again, maybe movies and tv and video games are a substitute for real fear and other negative emotions. It seems some people like to watch horror movies and be scared, so maybe that is why?

I hear what you are saying about the millions of impoverished 3rd world people and I agree I wouldn't want to be one of them, but do you really think your message of stay away from the light is going to affect those people? Let's face it they are focused on the mundane, trying to stay alive and fed, I doubt very much they can think of anything beyond that ... and are you telling me this astral plane is worse than being impoverished? Doesn't sound like it to me? Sounds like a trip to Vegas the way you described it.

The only thing that bothers me about the concept of reincarnation is this memory wipe. I want to be able to continue where I left off. I don't need all the details, but it would be nice to have some talents that I developed remain, and I think they do... how else do you explain musical prodigies who at the age of 4 can play piano concertos like a seasoned pro? Maybe most of your memories are wiped for the sake of the illusion, but I am guessing some of your talents might remain, and even you intimated your subconscious will still draw you to certain things based on previous experiences.

Well that is my two cents for now, but great thread, I love all the contributions and I don't think anyone was wrong in their ideas, I think we all have unique experiences based on what it is we are trying to experience or accomplish, and the idea of reincarnation can give people relief in knowing their dead relatives or loved ones are not lost forever or trapped in hell (unless of course that is what they wanted to experience for some reason).
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Good comments. The universe within each of us may be different so it is not wise to project your discovered truths on others.
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