Is the Holy Spirit a third divine being or God's active force? What did it do at Jesus' baptism?

It gave him 'Validation'!

If he was possessed what did the alien cause him to do, teach and heal?

Seems to me the confusion, contradictions, conflicts of hundreds of Pa$tor Payola cult$ make themselves look schizophrenic as the Teacher foretold;

"“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 ;By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 ;Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.
21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Mt7:21

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'Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." rv20:7

Your bolded probably applies to many of them, even your own.

As late as 1955, a person did not need to be baptised by a Watchtower representative to be considered one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Baptism by another Christian denomination was considered valid, provided it was as an adult by full immersion. The Watchtower 1955 Jul 1 p.412 paragraph 20 explained that re-baptism was necessary only if the previous baptism was not in symbol of a dedication, or if it was not by immersion.

It was not until 1956 that a Watchtower baptism became mandatory.

"Yes, one must be baptized again. Obviously, by any of such religious systems one was never in reality baptized "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit," because had he been so baptized he would have appreciated the authority and office of such true Higher Powers." Watchtower 1956 Jul 1 p.406

Fast forward to today. Is this still your baptism vow?

“Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”

Is that a baptism or corporate membership?

Does this answer the question?

Acts 8:14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

"Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28:19
Are qualified new disciples baptized into a cooperate membership or the Christian congregation?

Whole story has been re-written by the false church, for starter Yeshua wasn't a j*w. Let that cook for a while.

He was only half J* w.

"Chi, prana, Holy Spirit and other terms for the Spirit are all salvific"

The Holy Spirit, Chi, and the Other
"Chi, prana, Holy Spirit and other terms for the Spirit are all salvific in that they can save us within ourselves and in relation to others. Chi embraces life and makes it whole. It will heal and bring life to what is broken. Therefore, it is essential that humanity recognize this Spirit and affirm it in their lives. Chi has an emancipatory element as it frees us from the bonds of oppression that prevent us from celebrating life. When humanity neglects or ignores the force of Chi, problems of animosity and oppression can arise.”


"One Spirit or Many?

Christians want a pneumatology that includes both transcendental and immanent dimensions of the Holy Spirit. God is not merely the 'Wholly Other' but also the 'God with us and in us.' At the beginning of the third millennium, Christians long to see, touch, and feel the presence of the Divine Spirit. Come, Holy Spirit! As Christians seek this, they come into dialogue with other religions that may have experienced Spirit in a similar fashion. Chi and other global understandings of the Spirit also express this Divine within us. Chi, prana, and ha are all versions of the life-giving Spirit and the essential element for all life to exist. If human beings can recognize this and accept this, we can all live in more harmony and peace with one another.

Chi will be a crucial element in how one does theology. It is found in all parts of the world by various ethnic groups and may be the binding element that will keep us from destroying ourselves, each other, and the planet. It is a Spirit that bonds and pulls humanity closer with all other living creatures. It will sustain us and keep us aware of our interconnectedness and interreliance. We need to turn to Chi and welcome its presence in our bodies and our lives so that we can be more aware of the Spirit.

Chi, prana, Holy Spirit and other terms for the Spirit are all salvific in that they can save us within ourselves and in relation to others. Chi embraces life and makes it whole. It will heal and bring life to what is broken. Therefore, it is essential that humanity recognize this Spirit and affirm it in their lives. Chi has an emancipatory element as it frees us from the bonds of oppression that prevent us from celebrating life. When humanity neglects or ignores the force of Chi, problems of animosity and oppression can arise.”

When Asian contextual theology encounters the Chi of Taoism and its spirituality, it expands the dimension of the Spirit. The understanding of the Spirit moves toward a cosmic-natural process of living organisms for the multireligious mystical experience of human life. Although the Spirit in Christianity is not equated with an immanent and impersonal force, Jesus does say, "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit" (John 3: 8).

It is important to recognize the similarities between the Holy Spirit and other manifestations of the Spirit in our world. With this acceptance, it is then crucial to accept and welcome the Other who have different forms of expressing the same phenomena. In particular, the racialized immigrants who come to the West come here to begin a new life with many hopes and dreams. It is important not to make them the Other and have power and authority over them, but rather to embrace and empower each other. The power of Chi can help build bridges that have been torn down by ignorance and dominance. The destructive powers of separation can be overcome through Chi. Chi dwells in all things and within us. It has the power to make a positive difference in this world. Thus it is important to acknowledge that Chi is crucial for our livelihood and to realize that Chi is the Spirit in all things. This Spirit is the same Spirit of God. If God dwells within us, it makes a difference in how we live and treat others and nature.

There is much to learn from the many Eastern traditions and from one another. The Eastern traditions cannot be easily dismissed and ignored as their concept of Chi adds richness and new dimension to the Christian concept of God. In Christianity, there needs to be a stronger awareness of the Spirit within us. It is this Spirit that gives us life and maintains our life. In the West, we are so concerned with the physical being and the physical body that the Spirit does not come into the forefront. Rather we have largely adopted a "technical," even mechanical view of the body. We need to recognize the importance of the Spirit within our daily lives. In doing so, we may recognize the commonalities that exist between us and the Other. We will then be in a position to welcome and embrace one another. This is of crucial importance as we live in this global village where everything is becoming closer and more interconnected.

God within Us

We have encountered a God who also inhabits all created things. For Martin Luther, the creatures of God are not only human beings. God's creatures include "Water, air , the earth and all its products.” Likewise the creatures indwelled by God are not limited to the human. Luther insisted that God and Christ are actually present not only in human beings but in all created things. We are a dwelling place of Christ crucified, who lived and died for the sake of abundant life for all, and whose love for human beings could be stopped by nothing. God makes a home in matter for God's presence is felt within matter . The finite bears the infinite. As we awaken each morning, the great Lover and Liberator is alive in and among our bodies. The mystery of creation "Is the indwelling of God within it.” We creatures from the earth are home to One who breathes through creation, healing, making whole, undoing injustice, and restoring right relationships, so that all might have life and have it abundantly.

Chi reminds us of many things above or about the Divine. God and God's Spirit is always within us. This is what has given us life and sustains us throughout our life. We are the holy temples of God and this knowledge should make all the difference in how we treat ourselves, others, and nature. It is clearly evident that once we recognize that God is within us, we will treat ourselves , others, and nature with respect, love, and ultimate care. As we live in this ever-growing society of multinational corporations, imperialism , and colonialism, we need to take a deep breath and recognize these dangers and work toward justice and peace. This is ever crucial to us as we try to live on this planet and try to preserve it for the next generations.

Nope not at all, you can't be half a religion.

Jesus Name was Yeshua and He Was A Gnostic
Just a reminder.

A Gnostic, Oh Abrahamic fools you've been lied to.

The Romans and Catholic demons edited the scriptures, killed the true believers. Why do you think there has always been genocide against Gnostic groups???

But not to confuse the blind, the OT is genuine with its evil Yahweh and his barbaric male unbalance. The editing took place in the NT. Lots of it in the Pauline scriptures. Like that laughable line where Paul says to obey your leaders because they were ordained by God. Romans took over the Gnostic movement and flipped it to control its people. Why else would they make it the official religion of the biggest empire on Earth? Don't forget the Romans were some of the most sinful people this planet has ever seen.

Yeshua was the ultimate anarchist and the Christians are embarrassing sheep followers.

Also, Yeshua is no Mr Nice Guy fake smiling chump. He is the fire, the water, the dark and the light. He isn't coming back individually but collectively in the souls of men and women who looked within like he taught the Gnostic way, not those who look for him in churches and corrupted texts.

Be the lion, not the flock