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Large Study On Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine Finds Negative Results

 
Catseye

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the only recourse now for OP is to come back and apologize and admit they were wrong.
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not likely, brainwashed and headstrong with it, thinks the medical profession is actually working to make him healthy, lol
Forgive your enemies, it messes with their heads.

Thoughts create, mind them well.
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Another ideology-induced D dumbf.....
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in other words


the combination of HCQ + zinc resulted in a decrease of a whopping 95% of patients needing ICU or ventilator.

that's fucking significant you absolute piece of shit OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72884611


Oh FFS.
That is not what the "95%" means, moron.
You really don't know even the basics of this, do you?
The "95%" is the confidence interval (CI) of the mean or median value... in this case the odds ratio (OR).
Try graduating from high school before trying to fake your way through science, dimwit.
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From your cited pre-print study:
"In univariate analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was not associated with a decrease in length of hospital stay, duration of mechanical ventilation, maximum oxygen flow rate, average oxygen flow rate, average fraction of inspired oxygen, or maximum fraction of inspired oxygen during hospitalization (Table 2). In bivariate logistic regression analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate was associated with decreased mortality or transition to hospice (OR 0.511, 95% CI 0.359-0.726), need for ICU (OR 0.545, 95% CI 0.362-0.821) and need for invasive ventilation (OR 0.562, 95% CI 0.354-0.891) (Table 3). However, after excluding all non-critically ill patients admitted to the intensive care unit, zinc sulfate no longer was found to be associated with a decrease in mortality."
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Re: Large Study On Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine Finds Negative Results
The "study" was a retrospective of heterogeneous patients allegedly normalized for various comorbidities. The word "zinc" never appeared once in the study, and the dose and duration were not normalized either.

I've not read the study in depth, yet a cursory glance seems to indicate that this is a blackwash of the entire HCQ perspective.

I'll read more when I have time for it.
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05/22/2020 04:11 PM
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in other words


the combination of HCQ + zinc resulted in a decrease of a whopping 95% of patients needing ICU or ventilator.

that's fucking significant you absolute piece of shit OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72884611


Oh FFS.
That is not what the "95%" means, moron.
You really don't know even the basics of this, do you?
The "95%" is the confidence interval (CI) of the mean or median value... in this case the odds ratio (OR).
Try graduating from high school before trying to fake your way through science, dimwit.
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From your cited pre-print study:
"In univariate analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was not associated with a decrease in length of hospital stay, duration of mechanical ventilation, maximum oxygen flow rate, average oxygen flow rate, average fraction of inspired oxygen, or maximum fraction of inspired oxygen during hospitalization (Table 2). In bivariate logistic regression analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate was associated with decreased mortality or transition to hospice (OR 0.511, 95% CI 0.359-0.726), need for ICU (OR 0.545, 95% CI 0.362-0.821) and need for invasive ventilation (OR 0.562, 95% CI 0.354-0.891) (Table 3). However, after excluding all non-critically ill patients admitted to the intensive care unit, zinc sulfate no longer was found to be associated with a decrease in mortality."
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Try learning to read and take some high school science classes before you drown in your own ignorant drool...
 Quoting: Reality420


Mortality is generally low to none from COVID or other disease in "non-critically ill" patients!

Pay attention!
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Multinational
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Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells.

Zinc inhibits viral replication.

Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc.

And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc.

Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November.
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Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells.

Zinc inhibits viral replication.

Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc.

And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc.

Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176


Exactly.

Fuck the fear. Recognize real danger and recognize that nobody will save you except yourself.

Try skydiving solo.
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lol, it’s like they left the zinc out on purpose, sounds like an agenda planned study

if it was an expensive drug you can bet your ass the study would have different results
 Quoting: Catseye


Retard.

The cabal/elite/illuminate/deep state are losing trillions of dollars due to the worldwide lockdowns. If Hydroxychloroquine worked they WOULD be using it.

Trump recently gave his rich friends = cabal/elite/illuminate/deep state trillions of dollars to stop their businesses going bankrupt. If Hydroxychloroquine worked they WOULD be using it.

Lots of countries have lost tens of thousands of their people to the virus. If Hydroxychloroquine worked they WOULD be using it.

You are claiming the whole worldwide medical profession is stopping something that works. A study of 96,000 patients from 671 hospitals in six continents proves Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work and is dangerous.
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05/22/2020 11:21 PM
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Love Trump...Hate Trump...it don't matter.

There is no lie too small or big they won't tell to discredit Trump.

That should tell you all you need to know....
From the author of Blade Runner:

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A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients has found no support for the opinion that they help treat the disease.
On the contrary, the data show those who took the medications actually actually had a higher risk of death and cardiac problems.
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[link to www.statnews.com (secure)]
"A new study underlines safety concerns about using the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat Covid-19, and heightens questions about whether or not the drugs are effective at all.
...
One of the findings of the current study seems hard to ignore: that the drugs increase the risk of dangerous disturbances in heart rhythms. These are known side effects of both medicines, but the increases in the study are striking. After adjustment for other risk factors, it appears that patients on hydroxychloroquine had double the risk of ventricular arrhythmias, and those on chloroquine had triple. When an antibiotic such as azithromycin was added, as some proponents have advocated, the risk jumped to fivefold.
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Eric Topol, director and founder of the Scripps Research Translational Institute and a cardiologist, noted the risk in a series of tweets. “It’s no longer that hydroxychloroquine has no sign of efficacy,” he wrote, “it is associated with an increase in mortality.”"

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The study:
[link to www.thelancet.com (secure)]
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Behold the dangers of taking medical advice from self-promoting French 'Brave Maverick Doctors' and ignorant politicians.
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Don't fall for unevidenced hype and anecdote... always demand the actual data and study it. If there is no data or some sort of kooky cargo cult version of data reject everything the loons are saying as they cannot provide evidence other than "Because I said so.".
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Have fun and take care.

Reality
 Quoting: Reality420


slaphim

THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,


yourere
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05/22/2020 11:34 PM
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Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells.

Zinc inhibits viral replication.

Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc.

And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc.

Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176


Does the zinc prevent the ventricular arrhythmias associated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and macrolides? If it doesn't solve that problem, this study still destroys Trump's wonder cure.
Anonymous Coward
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05/23/2020 12:06 AM
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Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells.

Zinc inhibits viral replication.

Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc.

And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc.

Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176


Does the zinc prevent the ventricular arrhythmias associated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and macrolides? If it doesn't solve that problem, this study still destroys Trump's wonder cure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77969143


MOST people don't get arrhythmias - especially if they're dosed correctly and are in good health to start with. Chloroquine and HCQ are nearly useless without adequate zinc, and macrolide antibiotics are just a diversion from the real solution. Yes, they can help, but they're not part of the important test for safety and efficacy.

I read the Nature article in depth and it never even mentioned zinc! There was inadequate data to identify health status vs HCQ dosing.

In short, I'll tend to discount this particular study even though it comes from a prestigous journal.
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Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells.

Zinc inhibits viral replication.

Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc.

And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc.

Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176


Does the zinc prevent the ventricular arrhythmias associated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and macrolides? If it doesn't solve that problem, this study still destroys Trump's wonder cure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77969143


That's why I am skeptical of HCQ as prophylaxis.

But...as treatment...


If I had COVID-19...I might be willing to risk heart arythmia.


Just sayin'
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Thread: How do we educate DOCTORS and the entire MEDICAL System that ZINC needs to be taken, when taking Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with antibiotics?
:DOCSRBAFFLED::redblueLED::DONTBEAPANDEMICS:
Only you can stop the fake pandemic for yourself, no one will ever tell you the pandemic is over. It's time to WIN.
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With Z-pak...but what about Zinc?
 Quoting: Builder of the Adytum

What about it?
Didier didn't mention zinc nor did Trump...
My zinc levels are fine, thank you.
Are you saying all those 96,000 subjects were deficient in zinc?
Please produce some evidence for this delusion.
 Quoting: Reality420


No, he is not saying that. He means that treatment with chloroquines must be complemented with zinc to avoid or control undesirable side effects.
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So...

they didn't use ZINK.


Even TRUMP said ZINK.

( ; )

Oh well, fewer liberals...

but some(LIBERALS) have already admitted they were

saved by TRUMP's ADVICE !
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Hundreds of millions of doses over the decades, and now their worried about HCQ.

laugh1
 Quoting: Vicious Deplorable dollop


Hundreds of millions of doses with no reported cardiac fatalities.

This bullshit isn't about Trump so much as it is Big Pharma trying to discourage use of an off patent drug that they can't profit from.

While they have competing drugs that haven't proven any more effective and don't have the proven safety record of HCQ.

It's really shameful propaganda that has probably cost many lives.

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Is that what you charge per HCQ tab, pharmashill?
Why are you promoting drugs that don't do anything for the disease and are dangerous?
How much is Big pHARMA paying you to promote this idiocy?
 Quoting: Reality420


Actually, Big Pharma doesn't see beautiful profits in Hydroxychloroquine, so a drug around for decades isn't going to quite float their boat.

If anything, the Bill Gates of the system are going to tout everything and anything but long-time medications.
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Nice find OP. It's really common knowledge to anyone who isn't brainwashed that this drug does more harm then good.

Just keep putting the facts in front of their noses...it makes them uncomfortable.
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This just proves we need to pull ALL drugs that have been safely used for over 60 years like HQC!!!
Anonymous Coward
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A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients...

Have fun and take care.

Reality
 Quoting: Reality420


3.50
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75449616


Is that what you charge per HCQ tab, pharmashill?
Why are you promoting drugs that don't do anything for the disease and are dangerous?
How much is Big pHARMA paying you to promote this idiocy?
 Quoting: Reality420


that's the pot calling the kettle black.
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A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients has found no support for the opinion that they help treat the disease.
On the contrary, the data show those who took the medications actually actually had a higher risk of death and cardiac problems.
.
[link to www.statnews.com (secure)]
"A new study underlines safety concerns about using the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat Covid-19, and heightens questions about whether or not the drugs are effective at all.
...
One of the findings of the current study seems hard to ignore: that the drugs increase the risk of dangerous disturbances in heart rhythms. These are known side effects of both medicines, but the increases in the study are striking. After adjustment for other risk factors, it appears that patients on hydroxychloroquine had double the risk of ventricular arrhythmias, and those on chloroquine had triple. When an antibiotic such as azithromycin was added, as some proponents have advocated, the risk jumped to fivefold.
...
Eric Topol, director and founder of the Scripps Research Translational Institute and a cardiologist, noted the risk in a series of tweets. “It’s no longer that hydroxychloroquine has no sign of efficacy,” he wrote, “it is associated with an increase in mortality.”"

.
The study:
[link to www.thelancet.com (secure)]
.
Behold the dangers of taking medical advice from self-promoting French 'Brave Maverick Doctors' and ignorant politicians.
.
Don't fall for unevidenced hype and anecdote... always demand the actual data and study it. If there is no data or some sort of kooky cargo cult version of data reject everything the loons are saying as they cannot provide evidence other than "Because I said so.".
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Have fun and take care.

Reality
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Yet other studies show it works. You can't trust any of these studies anymore.
I believe in science NOT religion. Giving me bad karma for that, is anti-religious (you're passing judgement) I am just a man. Of no significance. Who found religion to be full of lies, and wrong doing, conflicted teachings
I understand microwave communications.
I do not stand for the NWO, it sucks.
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With Z-pak...but what about Zinc?
 Quoting: Builder of the Adytum


yup.

ZINC is ALWAYS MISSING when they "debunk"

so obvious shill shill
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A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients...

Have fun and take care.

Reality
 Quoting: Reality420


3.50
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75449616


Is that what you charge per HCQ tab, pharmashill?
Why are you promoting drugs that don't do anything for the disease and are dangerous?
How much is Big pHARMA paying you to promote this idiocy?
 Quoting: Reality420


wow.....pot calls kettle black. Bet you gonna be the first to line up and get your pHARMa c-shot.

cruisewuflu
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This whole war on HCQ has been a fraud scam ruse whatever you wanna call it - now apologize OP for the deaths for thousands upon thousands on your sheer faith in the MSM. Please go find a way to suck the stench off MSMs fecal exit route

yoda
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Lancet study super fraudulent and retracted.

Used data from a fake company called surgifraud:



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lol, it’s like they left the zinc out on purpose, sounds like an agenda planned study

if it was an expensive drug you can bet your ass the study would have different results
 Quoting: Catseye


Its totally dependent on the timing.
Its a preventative, not a cure once infection is allowed to take hold.

ALL THE OFFICIAL STUDIES WAITED UNTIL PATIENTS WERE ON DEATHS DOOR.

NOTHING WORKS WELL AGAINST THE FULLY MAXIMIXED VIRAL INFECTION.
THATS WHY THEY WAIT TO TREAT AND DONT PREVENT/PROTECT.
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lol, it’s like they left the zinc out on purpose, sounds like an agenda planned study

if it was an expensive drug you can bet your ass the study would have different results
 Quoting: Catseye


Its totally dependent on the timing.
Its a preventative, not a cure once infection is allowed to take hold.

ALL THE OFFICIAL STUDIES WAITED UNTIL PATIENTS WERE ON DEATHS DOOR.

NOTHING WORKS WELL AGAINST THE FULLY MAXIMIXED VIRAL INFECTION.
THATS WHY THEY WAIT TO TREAT AND DONT PREVENT/PROTECT.





GLP