Large Study On Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine Finds Negative Results | |
Catseye
User ID: 78925577 Dominican Republic 05/22/2020 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the only recourse now for OP is to come back and apologize and admit they were wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72884611 not likely, brainwashed and headstrong with it, thinks the medical profession is actually working to make him healthy, lol Forgive your enemies, it messes with their heads. Thoughts create, mind them well. |
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Reality420
(OP) User ID: 49477262 United States 05/22/2020 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in other words Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72884611 the combination of HCQ + zinc resulted in a decrease of a whopping 95% of patients needing ICU or ventilator. that's fucking significant you absolute piece of shit OP Oh FFS. That is not what the "95%" means, moron. You really don't know even the basics of this, do you? The "95%" is the confidence interval (CI) of the mean or median value... in this case the odds ratio (OR). Try graduating from high school before trying to fake your way through science, dimwit. . From your cited pre-print study: "In univariate analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was not associated with a decrease in length of hospital stay, duration of mechanical ventilation, maximum oxygen flow rate, average oxygen flow rate, average fraction of inspired oxygen, or maximum fraction of inspired oxygen during hospitalization (Table 2). In bivariate logistic regression analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate was associated with decreased mortality or transition to hospice (OR 0.511, 95% CI 0.359-0.726), need for ICU (OR 0.545, 95% CI 0.362-0.821) and need for invasive ventilation (OR 0.562, 95% CI 0.354-0.891) (Table 3). However, after excluding all non-critically ill patients admitted to the intensive care unit, zinc sulfate no longer was found to be associated with a decrease in mortality." . Try learning to read and take some high school science classes before you drown in your own ignorant drool... Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. — Thomas Jefferson Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action. — Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78928743 United States 05/22/2020 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The "study" was a retrospective of heterogeneous patients allegedly normalized for various comorbidities. The word "zinc" never appeared once in the study, and the dose and duration were not normalized either. I've not read the study in depth, yet a cursory glance seems to indicate that this is a blackwash of the entire HCQ perspective. I'll read more when I have time for it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78928743 United States 05/22/2020 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in other words Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72884611 the combination of HCQ + zinc resulted in a decrease of a whopping 95% of patients needing ICU or ventilator. that's fucking significant you absolute piece of shit OP Oh FFS. That is not what the "95%" means, moron. You really don't know even the basics of this, do you? The "95%" is the confidence interval (CI) of the mean or median value... in this case the odds ratio (OR). Try graduating from high school before trying to fake your way through science, dimwit. . From your cited pre-print study: "In univariate analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was not associated with a decrease in length of hospital stay, duration of mechanical ventilation, maximum oxygen flow rate, average oxygen flow rate, average fraction of inspired oxygen, or maximum fraction of inspired oxygen during hospitalization (Table 2). In bivariate logistic regression analysis, the addition of zinc sulfate was associated with decreased mortality or transition to hospice (OR 0.511, 95% CI 0.359-0.726), need for ICU (OR 0.545, 95% CI 0.362-0.821) and need for invasive ventilation (OR 0.562, 95% CI 0.354-0.891) (Table 3). However, after excluding all non-critically ill patients admitted to the intensive care unit, zinc sulfate no longer was found to be associated with a decrease in mortality." . Try learning to read and take some high school science classes before you drown in your own ignorant drool... Mortality is generally low to none from COVID or other disease in "non-critically ill" patients! Pay attention! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78169176 Sweden 05/22/2020 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells. Zinc inhibits viral replication. Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc. And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc. Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78928743 United States 05/22/2020 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176 Zinc inhibits viral replication. Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc. And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc. Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November. Exactly. Fuck the fear. Recognize real danger and recognize that nobody will save you except yourself. Try skydiving solo. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78932061 United States 05/22/2020 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol, it’s like they left the zinc out on purpose, sounds like an agenda planned study Quoting: Catseye if it was an expensive drug you can bet your ass the study would have different results Retard. The cabal/elite/illuminate/deep state are losing trillions of dollars due to the worldwide lockdowns. If Hydroxychloroquine worked they WOULD be using it. Trump recently gave his rich friends = cabal/elite/illuminate/deep state trillions of dollars to stop their businesses going bankrupt. If Hydroxychloroquine worked they WOULD be using it. Lots of countries have lost tens of thousands of their people to the virus. If Hydroxychloroquine worked they WOULD be using it. You are claiming the whole worldwide medical profession is stopping something that works. A study of 96,000 patients from 671 hospitals in six continents proves Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work and is dangerous. |
WaitTressSandwhich
User ID: 78846383 United States 05/22/2020 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love Trump...Hate Trump...it don't matter. There is no lie too small or big they won't tell to discredit Trump. That should tell you all you need to know.... From the author of Blade Runner: “There will come a time when it isn't 'They're spying on me through my phone' anymore. Eventually, it will be 'My phone is spying on me'.” Philip K. Dick |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78940408 Mexico 05/22/2020 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients has found no support for the opinion that they help treat the disease. Quoting: Reality420 On the contrary, the data show those who took the medications actually actually had a higher risk of death and cardiac problems. . [link to www.statnews.com (secure)] "A new study underlines safety concerns about using the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat Covid-19, and heightens questions about whether or not the drugs are effective at all. ... One of the findings of the current study seems hard to ignore: that the drugs increase the risk of dangerous disturbances in heart rhythms. These are known side effects of both medicines, but the increases in the study are striking. After adjustment for other risk factors, it appears that patients on hydroxychloroquine had double the risk of ventricular arrhythmias, and those on chloroquine had triple. When an antibiotic such as azithromycin was added, as some proponents have advocated, the risk jumped to fivefold. ... Eric Topol, director and founder of the Scripps Research Translational Institute and a cardiologist, noted the risk in a series of tweets. “It’s no longer that hydroxychloroquine has no sign of efficacy,” he wrote, “it is associated with an increase in mortality.”" . The study: [link to www.thelancet.com (secure)] . Behold the dangers of taking medical advice from self-promoting French 'Brave Maverick Doctors' and ignorant politicians. . Don't fall for unevidenced hype and anecdote... always demand the actual data and study it. If there is no data or some sort of kooky cargo cult version of data reject everything the loons are saying as they cannot provide evidence other than "Because I said so.". . Have fun and take care. Reality THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC,THE ZINC, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77969143 United States 05/22/2020 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176 Zinc inhibits viral replication. Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc. And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc. Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November. Does the zinc prevent the ventricular arrhythmias associated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and macrolides? If it doesn't solve that problem, this study still destroys Trump's wonder cure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78928743 United States 05/23/2020 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176 Zinc inhibits viral replication. Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc. And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc. Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November. Does the zinc prevent the ventricular arrhythmias associated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and macrolides? If it doesn't solve that problem, this study still destroys Trump's wonder cure. MOST people don't get arrhythmias - especially if they're dosed correctly and are in good health to start with. Chloroquine and HCQ are nearly useless without adequate zinc, and macrolide antibiotics are just a diversion from the real solution. Yes, they can help, but they're not part of the important test for safety and efficacy. I read the Nature article in depth and it never even mentioned zinc! There was inadequate data to identify health status vs HCQ dosing. In short, I'll tend to discount this particular study even though it comes from a prestigous journal. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78842581 United States 05/23/2020 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chloroquine opens channels for zinc to enter the cells. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78169176 Zinc inhibits viral replication. Chloroquine without zinc won't do the job. That's why all doctors who prescribe chloroquine prescribe it with zinc. And that's why these lying propagandists test chloroquine without zinc. Because they are desperate to keep people from finding out there's a cure. They need the fear to last until November. Does the zinc prevent the ventricular arrhythmias associated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and macrolides? If it doesn't solve that problem, this study still destroys Trump's wonder cure. That's why I am skeptical of HCQ as prophylaxis. But...as treatment... If I had COVID-19...I might be willing to risk heart arythmia. Just sayin' |
Butch DeFeo
User ID: 78907989 United States 05/23/2020 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: How do we educate DOCTORS and the entire MEDICAL System that ZINC needs to be taken, when taking Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with antibiotics? :DOCSRBAFFLED::redblueLED::DONTBEAPANDEMICS: Only you can stop the fake pandemic for yourself, no one will ever tell you the pandemic is over. It's time to WIN. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78941511 Portugal 05/23/2020 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What about it? Didier didn't mention zinc nor did Trump... My zinc levels are fine, thank you. Are you saying all those 96,000 subjects were deficient in zinc? Please produce some evidence for this delusion. No, he is not saying that. He means that treatment with chloroquines must be complemented with zinc to avoid or control undesirable side effects. |
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CK Dexter Haven
User ID: 77028752 Switzerland 05/23/2020 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hundreds of millions of doses over the decades, and now their worried about HCQ. Quoting: Vicious Deplorable dollop Hundreds of millions of doses with no reported cardiac fatalities. This bullshit isn't about Trump so much as it is Big Pharma trying to discourage use of an off patent drug that they can't profit from. While they have competing drugs that haven't proven any more effective and don't have the proven safety record of HCQ. It's really shameful propaganda that has probably cost many lives. . Last Edited by CK Dexter Haven on 05/23/2020 12:22 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74827762 United States 05/23/2020 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is that what you charge per HCQ tab, pharmashill? Quoting: Reality420 Why are you promoting drugs that don't do anything for the disease and are dangerous? How much is Big pHARMA paying you to promote this idiocy? Actually, Big Pharma doesn't see beautiful profits in Hydroxychloroquine, so a drug around for decades isn't going to quite float their boat. If anything, the Bill Gates of the system are going to tout everything and anything but long-time medications. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78944305 United States 05/23/2020 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice find OP. It's really common knowledge to anyone who isn't brainwashed that this drug does more harm then good. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62817156 Just keep putting the facts in front of their noses...it makes them uncomfortable. This just proves we need to pull ALL drugs that have been safely used for over 60 years like HQC!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78966040 Australia 05/29/2020 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients... Quoting: Reality420 Have fun and take care. Reality 3.50 Is that what you charge per HCQ tab, pharmashill? Why are you promoting drugs that don't do anything for the disease and are dangerous? How much is Big pHARMA paying you to promote this idiocy? that's the pot calling the kettle black. |
JoeNobHead
User ID: 78820955 United States 05/29/2020 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients has found no support for the opinion that they help treat the disease. Quoting: Reality420 On the contrary, the data show those who took the medications actually actually had a higher risk of death and cardiac problems. . [link to www.statnews.com (secure)] "A new study underlines safety concerns about using the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat Covid-19, and heightens questions about whether or not the drugs are effective at all. ... One of the findings of the current study seems hard to ignore: that the drugs increase the risk of dangerous disturbances in heart rhythms. These are known side effects of both medicines, but the increases in the study are striking. After adjustment for other risk factors, it appears that patients on hydroxychloroquine had double the risk of ventricular arrhythmias, and those on chloroquine had triple. When an antibiotic such as azithromycin was added, as some proponents have advocated, the risk jumped to fivefold. ... Eric Topol, director and founder of the Scripps Research Translational Institute and a cardiologist, noted the risk in a series of tweets. “It’s no longer that hydroxychloroquine has no sign of efficacy,” he wrote, “it is associated with an increase in mortality.”" . The study: [link to www.thelancet.com (secure)] . Behold the dangers of taking medical advice from self-promoting French 'Brave Maverick Doctors' and ignorant politicians. . Don't fall for unevidenced hype and anecdote... always demand the actual data and study it. If there is no data or some sort of kooky cargo cult version of data reject everything the loons are saying as they cannot provide evidence other than "Because I said so.". . Have fun and take care. Reality Yet other studies show it works. You can't trust any of these studies anymore. I believe in science NOT religion. Giving me bad karma for that, is anti-religious (you're passing judgement) I am just a man. Of no significance. Who found religion to be full of lies, and wrong doing, conflicted teachings I understand microwave communications. I do not stand for the NWO, it sucks. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79114932 Australia 07/07/2020 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A multinational study of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine with azithromycin in 96,000+ COVID-19 patients... Quoting: Reality420 Have fun and take care. Reality 3.50 Is that what you charge per HCQ tab, pharmashill? Why are you promoting drugs that don't do anything for the disease and are dangerous? How much is Big pHARMA paying you to promote this idiocy? wow.....pot calls kettle black. Bet you gonna be the first to line up and get your pHARMa c-shot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78909314 Singapore 07/07/2020 04:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This whole war on HCQ has been a fraud scam ruse whatever you wanna call it - now apologize OP for the deaths for thousands upon thousands on your sheer faith in the MSM. Please go find a way to suck the stench off MSMs fecal exit route |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78081988 United States 05/28/2021 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol, it’s like they left the zinc out on purpose, sounds like an agenda planned study Quoting: Catseye if it was an expensive drug you can bet your ass the study would have different results Its totally dependent on the timing. Its a preventative, not a cure once infection is allowed to take hold. ALL THE OFFICIAL STUDIES WAITED UNTIL PATIENTS WERE ON DEATHS DOOR. NOTHING WORKS WELL AGAINST THE FULLY MAXIMIXED VIRAL INFECTION. THATS WHY THEY WAIT TO TREAT AND DONT PREVENT/PROTECT. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78081988 United States 05/28/2021 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol, it’s like they left the zinc out on purpose, sounds like an agenda planned study Quoting: Catseye if it was an expensive drug you can bet your ass the study would have different results Its totally dependent on the timing. Its a preventative, not a cure once infection is allowed to take hold. ALL THE OFFICIAL STUDIES WAITED UNTIL PATIENTS WERE ON DEATHS DOOR. NOTHING WORKS WELL AGAINST THE FULLY MAXIMIXED VIRAL INFECTION. THATS WHY THEY WAIT TO TREAT AND DONT PREVENT/PROTECT. |