When was jesus created by the father?

Not in the way that christians teach..... he showed the way to the Father, and you must walk his walk, travel his path to find your way.... But it has nothing to do with praying to anyone..... only seek the Kingdom within.. just as he said.

I know from near death experience stories that when you cross, all you have to do is think a question and you'll have the answer. I know that information can exist in that form it's just we don't have access to it this side. I do find it interesting as well that through those NDE stories that when you cross, you can hear the thoughts of all the people that were currently around you when you die. It's fascinating, especially when you take into account alien abduction stories and the on going green theme that telepathy is used as a former of communication. We clearly have the ability to do it in so.easy form. Same for the stories of those that meet jesus. He can hear all your thoughts.

Jesus as exists today is a creation of man and a mockery of his own teachings. He would burn down every church.

And that is coming from an agnostic.
All your earthly religions are offensive and false.

Yes, ur right.

JESUS IS AMAZING!!!

Yes, He existed. HE WAS NOT CREATED!
He is God :-)

false idols... you cant even follow your own religion.

The bible says he always existed, being God, and the first thing existing in creation, being the body of God.

And yet Jesus was a man and not made divine in the books til the council of nicea. Which books are true?
Hundreds of years later suddenly he became a God, not a man of the line of David?

Hypocrisy of the greatest kind, ignorance and blasphemy. If you truly believe, you should be afraid at this notion.

Its really gross.

No the Greek NT makes that claim. G-d actually stated that he wasn't a man, nor the son of man (Numbers 23:19). All the pagan faiths view their gods as people ...

It's the pagan in their blood ... they can only comprehend their gods in man/woman form. They are of the nations, just as prophesied.

You missed the part in the text about the Messiah, didn't you? The beginning of the creation of God, and the beginning of the Kingdom of God, have you lost?

OP..... my advise is, do not solely rely on the bible for your answers.. it only causes chaos and confusion.

You will see this play out on your thread.

The council of nicea wrote John? That's new.

I only go by the bible as a guidance because the majority of the near death experience's I have heard ultimately describe god, jesus, heaven and hell. The majority come back and become Christian so it seems like it's the closest religion towards some sort of truth. The hell testimonies scare the heck out of me. I have so many questions about that place though. Like if hell was never meant for us then how did we end up going there? Who was the first soul? How did they create all the jail cells down there with no tools if they were banished there by god. How come they can leave hell as well if they were banished there? How come they get to torture us when infact it's them that are supposed to be punished? What happens at the end? Do all the demons end up getting burnt and all the torturing just stops and burn for eternity in the lake of fire. I have loads more that just make sense to me. But I fully believe Howard storm and Bryan melvin's testimony.

Have you read Rev. 21:22 lately? Do you see how only the chosen people are allowed into the New City? All others are of the nations, this includes gentiles. Do you know what you'll be doing ? serving the chosen ones.... you're not allowed in, and you will walk by the light from it. Christians have been majorly duped for centuries.

Just keep in mind that for every christian NDE you read about, there are just as many people who see Buddah, or Krishna, or Grampa.... It depends on your belief system, what you are expecting, and what you're focused on.. not "you" but the one experiencing the NDE.

Did John write the book of John?
Do the excluded books not count?
Is John god if his word divine truth?
All books have been edtided and changed.
Prove me wrong.

Hell was meant for the fallen (angels). It's since been expanded for us. "They" didn't create anything. There is only one creator. They can't leave hell if they're already there but since judgement day hasn't happened yet, their sentence has not been executed. Also, we're talking about multiple entities. First, there's God/Jesus/Holy-Ghost, next is us/humans, below us are angels, below those are fallen angels, below those are Nephilim (offspring of fallen angels & humans), below that are demons (spirits of deceased offspring of fallen angels & humans. When the first set of angels "left their first estate" led by Azazel (fallen angel), there was an immediate punishment on those (see Enoch 1 for more details/names, etc). After the flood, a 2nd incursion happened (Genesis 6:4).

Again, I highly recommend you read the Bible for yourself. God will lead you if you ask Him to, meaning, He'll teach you THROUGH His Word. If you want to know God, read His Word. If you want to know the nature of God, read His Word. If you want to know more about heaven/hell/demons/angels, read His Word. All other continental origin/flood/heaven/hell myths/legends are based on the God of the Bible. Look at ancient Chinese calligraphy. Look at the fact that every continent, every culture, over 200 in fact, have a global flood legend. Every continent, every culture has myths about giants & half-human/half-animal hybrids.

Circular reasoning. I can't prove you wrong any more than you can prove me wrong. It's called FAITH. I happen to have little. Very little in fact. I had to look at historical/geological/archeological, biological evidence to persuade me. I started out as an atheist evolutionist. I'm now a young-Earth creationist based entirely on physical evidence.

Actually I can prove you wrong. There is plenty of evidence of changes over the centuries. Has nothing to do with faith. It has to do with ignorance and apathy.
If you worship but choose not to study and learn truth and origins, its nothing but lip service, an insult to faith.

Actually, you can't. No one has been able to in 6000yrs of recorded human history & I highly doubt you'll be the first. I agree, ignorance is inexcusable. I've studied religion, earth history, geologic history, archeology, biology, etc., etc. for probably more decades than you've been alive. I will never claim to "know it all" but "lip service" is not something I ever perform. You're entitled to your opinion & I can respect that because as I stated before, I used to be you.

I don't read the NT because it is false as is the Christian faith. I've read it before, but I don't put effort into studying lies.

G-d already had a chosen people that he stated he would never get rid of. There is no need for Jesus to the nations to be saved. It's technically idolatry that you worship a man as G-d.

J was just a man that was born and died. Nothing special. If you're a good person you will make is to heaven and there is no need to think that G-d became a man to die for your mistakes. You just have to repent and try again.

Maybe God of earth is just a position, like King or President. Different God in office, has different personality.

You aren't as well read as you claim to be. The early church fathers open write about changing the NT at their whim. They also write about the gospels being anonymous and having to attribute them to peoples found in the said gospels.

The only writings people are sure of and not anonymous are a few letters from Paul. The rest are forgeries; the church knows and admits this.

and paul was roman imposter/infiltrator

And yet a majority of the Christian Doctrines (no law, JC dying for sins, etc) come from Paul ...

There are two "Jesus's" ...... there is the one who came to show the Way back to the Creator, and there's the romanized, bastardized high-jacked jesus to continue the blood sacrifice practices which feeds the dark forces.

If that was the case they wouldn't be G-d because they would have to answer to someone above them. The point of monotheism is that there is only one G-d and nothing more. Anything else (including Christianity) is polytheism. And ordered universe couldn't have more than one G-d and that would then lead one to conclude the same thing for the Multiverse and Omniverse if you wanted to keep climbing the latter.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night sunshine. G-d already showed the way in his Torah and it has nothing to do with either version of the man you worship.