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US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why
LoneStarRising Forum Moderator User ID: 22382367 United States 05/28/2020 06:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why US Federal Government authorities seized a 226-tonne electricity transformer made by Chinese company Jiangsu Huapeng Transformer Company at Houston port last summer and took it to Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico, for unspecified reasons, The Wall Street Journal reports. The lab, which is operated by Honeywell International, handles contract work for the US Energy Department associated with threats to national security, the report added. A US representative of the company, Jim Cai, told the newspaper that it had sold more than 7000 such transformers in the past two decades to numerous international customers. Cai was unaware of what had happened to the transformer until he was asked for comment by the WSJ. US President Donald Trump on 1 May signed an executive order for the DoE to find and ban devices from the power grid made by foreign countries that were considered a threat to national security. A report in Politico said Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette had recently played down concerns from industry that new clean energy projects could be inconvenienced by the order. [link to www.itwire.com (secure)] LoneStarRising

Anonymous Coward User ID: 78879741 United Kingdom 05/28/2020 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75871987 United States 05/28/2020 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Uncle Intel says US suspects China can take us off grid anytime they want. From space. And they will.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78048685 Finland 05/28/2020 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)]
Miss Bunny Swan User ID: 76748607 Hong Kong 05/28/2020 07:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78445863 United States 05/28/2020 07:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why They probably planted mini nukes in them which would all go off at a push of the button. Or some type of mechanism which would shut them down at a push of a button. We should NOT be buying things like that from China.
LoneStarRising (OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 22382367 United States 05/28/2020 07:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 My understanding is that China is essentially the only supplier in the world now for these large transformers. That is insane. The US should make it a law that all grid critical infrastructure should be sourced from domestic sources. I wonder just how compromised our grid has become. LoneStarRising
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78048685 Finland 05/28/2020 07:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 My understanding is that China is essentially the only supplier in the world now for these large transformers. That is insane. The US should make it a law that all grid critical infrastructure should be sourced from domestic sources. I wonder just how compromised our grid has become. Quoting: LoneStarRising It's just as bad in electronics. I don't think there is consumer grade electronics in the world without at least a single China-made IC. I'll bet most of the military grade stuff is the same except perhaps for the most critical and sensitive applications where total paranoia reigns supreme (as it should).
Anonymouse71 User ID: 78863589 United Kingdom 05/28/2020 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Megatron or starscream?. Anonymouse
Anonymouse71 User ID: 78863589 United Kingdom 05/28/2020 07:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Mega-wong Anonymouse
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78596028 United States 05/28/2020 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 It's a transformer. It's not a computer.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78048685 Finland 05/28/2020 07:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 It's a transformer. It's not a computer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028 Everything's a computer these days.
LoneStarRising (OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 22382367 United States 05/28/2020 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 My understanding is that China is essentially the only supplier in the world now for these large transformers. That is insane. The US should make it a law that all grid critical infrastructure should be sourced from domestic sources. I wonder just how compromised our grid has become. Quoting: LoneStarRising It's just as bad in electronics. I don't think there is consumer grade electronics in the world without at least a single China-made IC. I'll bet most of the military grade stuff is the same except perhaps for the most critical and sensitive applications where total paranoia reigns supreme (as it should). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 What triggered this action I wonder? There is nothing more critical to daily life than our grid. "US President Donald Trump on 1 May signed an executive order for the DoE to find and ban devices from the power grid made by foreign countries that were considered a threat to national security." LoneStarRising
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78596028 United States 05/28/2020 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why The main culprit behind hacks and electronic espionage is the United States government.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78807870 United States 05/28/2020 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Like a hidden kill switch to break the windings? - - - - - -
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78596028 United States 05/28/2020 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 It's a transformer. It's not a computer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028 Everything's a computer these days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 LOL. No, moran.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78306938 Canada 05/28/2020 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why The main culprit behind hacks and electronic espionage is the United States government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78048685 Finland 05/28/2020 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why ... Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 It's a transformer. It's not a computer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028 Everything's a computer these days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 LOL. No, moran. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028 Ok. Are you really trying to tell us that when you buy a transformer like this, you do not get anything with electronics in it?
LoneStarRising (OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 22382367 United States 05/28/2020 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why The main culprit behind hacks and electronic espionage is the United States government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028 What is your point? I am much more concerned about the Chicoms shutting down our grid and plunging us back to the dark ages. Don't see a scenario where our own government destroys our grid, but I can see one where the Chicoms do. LoneStarRising
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75758325 United States 05/28/2020 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 China doesn't just help anyone without tricking them first
LoneStarRising (OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 22382367 United States 05/28/2020 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Like a hidden kill switch to break the windings? - - - - - - Quoting: BIG.BILL LoneStarRising

Anonymous Coward User ID: 78306938 Canada 05/28/2020 07:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why The main culprit behind hacks and electronic espionage is the United States government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78596028 What is your point? I am much more concerned about the Chicoms shutting down our grid and plunging us back to the dark ages. Don't see a scenario where our own government destroys our grid, but I can see one where the Chicoms do. Quoting: LoneStarRising now you know how the other side feels.
Malu nli User ID: 76603100 United States 05/28/2020 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why I believe China is the only country we buy transformers from and we don’t have any/many backups. The lead time is 18 months to have one built, and if only a couple of the larger ones go down it could compromise the whole grid
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78961837 United States 05/28/2020 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 My understanding is that China is essentially the only supplier in the world now for these large transformers. That is insane. The US should make it a law that all grid critical infrastructure should be sourced from domestic sources. I wonder just how compromised our grid has become. Quoting: LoneStarRising All thanks to our regulatory agencies, making transformers like this in America is a losing proposition. Therefore they are made in China. Now you know the purpose of the EPA, OSHA, etc. - drive manufacturing out of the States. This decision was made in the late 1960's to push America into being a breadbasket and center for high tech development. Traditional manufacturing and steel production was to be forced out of the country.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76831289 United States 05/28/2020 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Thermonuclear device inside that is triggered by the heat temperature of the oil
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76451959 United States 05/28/2020 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Fraudulent use of using PCB transformer cooling oil? Polychlorinated biphenyl (PCB) PCB oil - [link to www.epa.gov (secure)]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77428388 United States 05/28/2020 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why ... Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 My understanding is that China is essentially the only supplier in the world now for these large transformers. That is insane. The US should make it a law that all grid critical infrastructure should be sourced from domestic sources. I wonder just how compromised our grid has become. Quoting: LoneStarRising All thanks to our regulatory agencies, making transformers like this in America is a losing proposition. Therefore they are made in China. Now you know the purpose of the EPA, OSHA, etc. - drive manufacturing out of the States. This decision was made in the late 1960's to push America into being a breadbasket and center for high tech development. Traditional manufacturing and steel production was to be forced out of the country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78961837 More Like greedy white men who prefer to pay peanuts for slave labor so then can fatten their pockets some more Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78306938 If it weren't for the greedy white man you'd have no welfare or obama phone.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78459285 United States 05/28/2020 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why looking forward to china taking out all the rap music and dyke LGBT psyops military bullies
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77024745 United States 05/28/2020 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Yes. And they will. I've read if our grid goes down, 99% of the population will die. Terrifying. Uncle Intel says US suspects China can take us off grid anytime they want. From space. And they will. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75871987
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78961849 Hungary 05/28/2020 07:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why it was probably vulnerable to outside attack and control a bit like how that worm virus built by the Israelis attacked Iranian nuclear plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78879741 Yes. They want to tear it apart to the last nut, bolt and transistor to see if there's anything suspicious. Earlier, the Chinese hid nasty stuff in high-end server motherboards. [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78048685 My understanding is that China is essentially the only supplier in the world now for these large transformers. That is insane. The US should make it a law that all grid critical infrastructure should be sourced from domestic sources. I wonder just how compromised our grid has become. Quoting: LoneStarRising China owns 99% of the world's resources of rare-earth metals. It seems pretty clear to me that 15-20 years ago the Chinese woke up and said "We're not going to sell this stuff to anyone any more. If you want it, come and build your factories here in China and employ Chinese workers and we'll sell you the stuff you need - but only for what you produce here." Thus, all the electronic stuff we buy is made in China only.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77016676 United States 05/28/2020 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: US seized Chinese-built transformer – but nobody knows why Maybe like a nuke in each transformer placed across America?
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