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Message Subject Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved
Poster Handle Achduke7
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If you throw away everything you learned about the pretrib doctrine why do you believe the Holy Spirit must be removed? The Holy Spirit will be around during the tribulation. One of the things that is specified before the tribulation really starts is the 144K being sealed. Reading Paul we know this is sealed with the Holy Spirit. Also the 2 witness must have the Holy Spirit along with all the tribulation saints.
 Quoting: Achduke7


What will the 144,000 be used by God to Accomplish?
 Quoting: Jake


I know it may be too far out there for some but I submit that the 144K are the 2 witnesses.

The 144K represent Israel being all 12 tribes.

God said Israel is his witness and his Olive Tree.

The 2 Witnesses are the Olive tree also.

How does Israel being one become 2 witnesses?

They were divided into 2 Kingdom. The North Kingdom represented by Joseph and the 10 Tribes along with the Southern Kingdom represent by Judah and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.

So in summary the 144K are most probably the 2 witnesses. I would also submit that the Women of rev 12 is also this same symbol of the Church/Israel.

The 144K/witnesses will continue the ministry of Christ and preach the truth while the Antichrist will preach his false beliefs and persecute the Church/Israel.

The offspring of the Woman will be the tribulation saints who will come to believe and be killed for their beliefs. The women/144k/2 witnesses are sealed and protected from God.

I know this is far off for many but this is what I gather from reading the bible specifically Daniel and Revelation.
 Quoting: Achduke7


No that is totally believable
 Quoting: Jake


If you read about the Woman/144k you will see the 144K come back with Christ. I would submit this remnant of Israel is the living stones/bride of Christ. Who comes back with Christ? The 144K. the pretribbers believe they or the whole church is the Bride of Christ but would a husband leave his bride? Who show up with the Christ in the end times? The 144K.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:4-6 4T hese are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Christ was also the Firstfruits to be resurrected/raptured. I submit this is his Bride. Remember Christ also said along with the Bride there are the guests and friends of the Bridegroom. All are friends and most probably saved but dear to his heart is his Bride.
 
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