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Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved
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1st woe devil is cast out and tribulation starts.
Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Quoting: Achduke7 This is incorrect, and should be put to rest already. Revelation 12 is past tense, and not in the Preterist way. Plainly, that section happened in the first century. When Jesus ascended to the right hand of Father God, Satan was cast out of heaven completely (Rev. 12:7-9). How do we know this happened in the first century after Jesus' ascension? The beginning of Revelation chapter 12 starts with the birth of Christ. We know this is about the birth of Christ because of what Satan attempted to do to stop His birth. Revelation 12:4 says, "And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child." This attempt to "devour" Christ is seen in Matthew 2:16-18. Now I'm betting you haven't even viewed the video presented in the first post. Go watch it, your in error on how things line up in Revelation. **** My Thoughts on a preterist view **** From the following thread. Thread: A Massive Earthquake Will Happen Right Before the Rapture (Page 7) I have viewed this video before. It is a moderate preterist view and although I do not discount preterist completely it does have its flaws. What I posted is a study of putting revelation into order by using the woes and earthquakes as markers nothing more. Most of what I have posted is scripture. Your contention is with scripture and not me. As for Revelation 12. Revelation 12 is past, present and future. It is a mini summary of the whole of Revelation. Revelation is told over and over again using different symbology. Most likely the women of Revelation 12, the 144K and the 2 witnesses are the same group. Where are the 2 witnesses who should be witnessing during the times of trouble? They are absent this whole time and have not served their 1260 days yet. My problems with a full preterist view is the 1260 days. Even if we substitute 1260 days into years we are way more then 1260 years from the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Staring the 1260 years after the final fall of Rome and the complete separation of Rome and the RCC still puts us around 476 AD which with the 1260 years only extends us out to the 1736 We are still short 284 years of 2020 and who knows when the rest of Revelation will be concluded.
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