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Message Subject Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved
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I will here put some things in numerical order about the return of Jesus. Before I start let me say that even though the rapture is pre-trib the verses you mentioned above do not support a pre-trib rapture. The verses you used above are related to the FINAL return of Jesus which was Paul's concern here.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

BEFORE THE FINAL RETURN (after the rapture)
1. per verse three must be a falling away first.

2. per verse 3 the man of sin will be revealed who is also the son of perdition (Satan) who is endowed with the spirit of Satan (Lucifer) and is also called the BEAST.

3. per verse 7 Satan has to be removed out of the way (of course most Christians mistake this for the Holy Ghost). Remember that Satan is removed for a thousand years while the BEAST is in charge. Then Satan is loosed for a short time (42 months or 3.5 years)

4. per verse 8 that "WICKED" BEAST will be revealed. Then Jesus will destroy the BEAST when He comes back at His final return.

The rapture is well before all of this. Take not that it does not say that Jesus destroys Satan at the time He destroys the BEAST. Jesus destroys the son of Satan named Lucifer (the son of perdition).

In this thread as I address other comments I will show you the pre-trib rapture. You may be shocked to find that the seven years are not seven continuous years but are divided in two parts. The first half is mentioned in Daniel where Jesus is killed in the middle of the week (42 month).

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In these verses Daniel takes us up to 69 week. It is in the middle of that 69 week that Jesus is killed. Because of His death He has not completed the covenant He confirmed in verse 27. He will complete that confirmation after the final 42 months (GREAT TRIBULATION); which is at the end of 1000 years when Satan is no longer bound. We are still in the MIDDLE of the 69th week. Presently we are in a pause for the Church Age. In other words things are still playing out but God just called "TIME OUT" to give way to the Gentiles; even made space for a second Sabbath during this time EACH WEEK that we celebrate as RESURECCTION SUNDAY! That Sabbath will end with the pre-trib rapture.

I will address the signs for the pre-trib rapture soon.
 Quoting: B4Birth


Interesting but I do not agree about the Sabbath ending. God said the Sabbath is forever. Also the Sabbath is not on Sunday unlike the RCC would like you to believe.


You are the first pre-tribber I have seen to use Daniel 9:25-27 to show the covenant was about Christ and not about the antichrist. I am not shocked and do believe the week was broken up after the death, burial and Resurrection of Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Remember I did not say the Sabbath ended, Another sabbath was added to celebrate the resurrection. So there are two Sabbaths, The second will end with the pre-trib rapture. Check the history of when the early Christian church met beginning with Jesus at the first one on the FIRST day of the week. Christians were not allowed in the synagogue.
 Quoting: B4Birth


If you check the greek whereever you see 1st of week(mia ton sabbaton) which everyone calls Sunday is really one of the sabbaths in greek which can be translated as the sabbath counting of the omer and not as Sunday. Sunday is not a 2nd sabbath. That is purely the rcc made up.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I don't get your point here. Are you saying all the days of the week are wrong. Is Monday really Monday and is Tuesday really Tuesday. The Bible says Jesus rose on the first day of the week. Tell me what day do you think that is out of the seven choices?
 
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