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Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved
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Paul says "we who are ALIVE AND REMAIN".
Remain from WHAT? The Tribulation.
NOT ONE SINGLE WRITER says that we "miss tribulation".
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Compare what Paul says to what Jesus says in these passages.
See how these are ALL the same event.
1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD Paul is not talking about the rapture in his letter. He is talking about a time 1000 years after the rapture and immediately after the 42 months of great tribulation. It is also called the last resurrection. The first resurrection is with the rapture. The only people resurrection in the first resurrection are those who were BEHEADED for the faith in Jesus. Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. There is NO "pre-tribulation" rapture. Jesus returns ONCE - to set up His Millenial Kingdom. The Millennial reign is not on earth. It is at the place that Jesus left to prepare for us. It is another Mansion (planet) called "The New Jerusalem". In the end it will be merged with this planet. The Father's house (Universe) has many Mansions (Planets). If there were not many Mansions (Planets) He would have told us so. At the pre-trib rapture we are taken to this place.
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