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Message Subject Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved
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....just some small points just about the man child....
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Verse 5 says, “She brought forth a son, a man-child, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod.” This speaks of the millennial kingdom. The overcomers are the instrument that enables God to achieve His pur- pose. Revelation mentions shepherding “the nations with an iron rod” three times. First, 2:26-27 says, “He who overcomes and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations; and he will shep- herd them with an iron rod.” This passage quite obviously refers to the overcomers in the church. The last mention of this phrase is 19:15, which says, “Out of His mouth proceeds a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations; and He will shepherd them with an iron rod.” This passage refers to the Lord Jesus. To whom then does the passage in chapter 12 refer? It must refer either to the overcomers in the church or to the Lord Jesus. Is it possi- ble that it refers to the Lord Jesus? No. (However, it is not wholly impossible, for later we will see that the Lord Jesus is included here.) Why is it not possible? First, the man- child was caught up to the throne of God immediately after he was born. Therefore, this could not be a reference to the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus was not caught up immediately after He was born. He lived thirty-three and a half years on this earth, died, resurrected, and then ascended to the heavens.

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Revelation 12:5 continues, “Her child was caught up to God and to His throne.” Caught up in this verse differs in meaning from caught up as it is used in 1 Thessalonians 4. There it says that some will be caught up in the clouds, while here it says that the man-child was caught up to the throne of God. The man-child was caught up to the throne because someone is already on the throne..

3rd Immediately after the man-child is caught up, there is war in heaven. In other words, the cause of the war in heaven is the rapture of the man-child. From this we see that the rapture of the man-child is not just a matter of some individuals being caught up, but more than that, it is to bring to an end the warfare which has been going on for ages and generations. The old serpent, the enemy of God, has been fighting against God for several thousand years. When this warfare takes place in heaven, Michael and his angels fight against the dragon, who is the old ser- pent. Formerly he was a serpent, but now he has changed in form to a dragon. He has steadily increased his power. However, once the man-child is caught up, not only is the dragon unable to be enlarged any further, but he is cast down from heaven. The rapture of the man-child is a transaction which causes Satan to have no more position in heaven.......

There is a pre tribulation rapture...it’s confirmed throughout scripture...most believers have not paid the price to buy the oil(spirt)..in their daily living they Have not decreased very much for him to increase..they are still soulish and fleshly...so they will miss out on the reward..the bride is who who Christ raptures 1st and foremost...
 
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