Achduke7
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User ID: 69637911 United States 08/24/2020 10:57 AM
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No proof in the other threads either.
Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
Quoting: Achduke7 The subject itself is a matter of faith and decernment. You're not going to believe it if you are already biased against it. I've been reading this thread and it's apparent to me that you're not the slightest bit objective about the subject. I saw a post where someone stated that the Holy Spirit would be removed from the earth before the revealing of the Anti-Christ and you dismissed it out-of-hand without any proof given by you that it was otherwise. You gave a generic "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79244739 I do not dismiss it. I just do not see any scriptural proof that it is the Holy Spirit that is removed. Especially when the bible makes it clear that the 144K are sealed during the tribulation. Who would be sealing the 144K if the Holy Spirit is removed?Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Quoting: Achduke7 I wasn't arguing in favor of that position, I was making a comment that you didn't provide any verses and that you dismiss other when they do the same. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79244739 I have provided lots of scripture in many rapture threads including this thread. As for the Holy Spirit I believe this theory comes from 2Thess 2:7. Examining 2Thess 2:7 by the root of each Greek word we get. 2Thess 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.2Thes 2:7 musterion anomias ede energeitai monon arti katechon eos genētai mesou
2Thes 2:7 mystery lawlessness already work merely now hold until happen midst I do not see anything about the Holy Spirit not restraining anymore. Only that lawlessness on hold when something happens or changes. Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.In Daniel it was Michael that helped restrain or hold in the past. Michael also helps in the NT.Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Perhaps Michael casting out the Devil in Heaven is the reason for the man of Sin taking power.Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pitRev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/25/2020 07:58 AMAchduke |
1guynAz
User ID: 78987609 United States 08/24/2020 12:02 PM
Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved for more knowledge...I'm confused about this subject. I hope it gets some type of resolve on this thread but, I'm not expecting it. It would be nice to know I would leave because this place sucks... Living has taught me one thing; nothing is certain...except salvation through Jesus Christ! |
Grundig
User ID: 79244739 United States 08/24/2020 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved for more knowledge...I'm confused about this subject. I hope it gets some type of resolve on this thread but, I'm not expecting it. It would be nice to know I would leave because this place sucks... Quoting: 1guynAz ------------------------------------
"Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69701584 United States 08/24/2020 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved Jesus does not want to confuse you. He lays it all out in a timeline in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 andit's crystal clear. Revelation 6 is very straight forward.
Only a Pre-Tribber has to have it interpreted. It's so ridiculous. |
Achduke7
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User ID: 78023456 United States 08/24/2020 06:15 PM
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for more knowledge...I'm confused about this subject. I hope it gets some type of resolve on this thread but, I'm not expecting it. It would be nice to know I would leave because this place sucks... Quoting: 1guynAz Quoting: Grundig Videos are great and all but $20 is a little steep for something available free from the Bible. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/25/2020 06:42 AMAchduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79303460 France 08/25/2020 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved It's the proper form to capitalize the Bible as the title of a series of books.
I believe some got in the habit circa 1950 to write sentences like, "Grab a bible and some pen and paper..." as the Bible become so common that it was not always capitalized when speaking in generalities. |
Achduke7
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User ID: 69637911 United States 08/25/2020 06:40 AM
Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved It's the proper form to capitalize the Bible as the title of a series of books.
I believe some got in the habit circa 1950 to write sentences like, "Grab a bible and some pen and paper..." as the Bible become so common that it was not always capitalized when speaking in generalities.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79303460 I do not see any reason why we should let grammar get in the way of context or meaning. I highly dislike the way grammar Nazi's use grammar to derail a thread. Not everyone is an English major. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/25/2020 06:50 AMAchduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79303460 France 08/25/2020 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved I get that and as an AC I can't edit my posts to correct spelling and grammar errors. Still it's the Bible, so it would be like not capitalizing YHWH or ELOHIM or Jesus or the Holy Spirit. |
Achduke7
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I get that and as an AC I can't edit my posts to correct spelling and grammar errors. Still it's the Bible, so it would be like not capitalizing YHWH or ELOHIM or Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79303460 [ link to www.dictionary.com (secure)] There are more than two ways to get English sentences wrong. It is too confusing to always get right! Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/25/2020 07:10 AMAchduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79303460 France 08/25/2020 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved I look forward to the OP's posts and I see that poster as being worthy of the old English term Defender of the Faith. |
Achduke7
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User ID: 78023456 United States 09/05/2020 10:14 AM
Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved We all are tired of the proverbial person who cried wolf or date setters.But was this done to obscure the teachers who would get it right?Below I have recently been watching this teachers videos. I will list one and you can decide for yourself if the newer ones are also worth a watch. Scoffers & bots are expected. But if this is real we all need to prepare as well as those who may be left behind so they can learn their roles and what to expect. The main channel link is here: [ link to www.youtube.com (secure)] The date setting this teacher said was made possible was due to the Revelation 12 sign which is a prophecy of an apocalyptic belief that an astronomical alignment on September 23, 2017 fulfilled the first two verses of Revelation 12. This date coincided with the Autumnal equinox. If this teacher is incorrect then nothing wasted but a few hours of time to discern it. But on the other shoe if it is true then this is the most important information for non believers and believers alike. Because if it does occur the non believers will believe unless they know nothing and never cared to search in the 1st place. Either way we all will know in just a few short weeks! What we can all understand & agree upon is with the current COVID-19 plague, life on Earth has forever changed giving us all a wake up call. Rarely do I post but I would be remiss & derelict of duty to the Saints & chosen ones if I held this info back at this potentially crucial time. Quoting: Mother Angelica From Thread: Potential RAPTURE Per Brenda Weltner Everyone will be here on September 19th. Most of the dates she spouted have already come and gone. 9th of Av is over. August is gone. September has begun and Israel is not at war. Why are you listening to her when she is already wrong? Last Edited by Achduke7 on 09/05/2020 10:15 AMAchduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69702723 United States 09/06/2020 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved The PreTribulation Rapture has no Biblical basis and so it's heresy. |
Achduke7
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Are you a sales person for these $10 tracts? No wonder why you kicked Servant, Newton and myself out of your threads. We must be affecting your sales. You are doing nothing but leading people to not be prepared. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 09/07/2020 09:32 AMAchduke |
Achduke7
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User ID: 78023456 United States 09/10/2020 04:58 AM
Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved The next date false pre-trib rapture proponents will use after all the September fails. Dec 14th. 2020 Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69599909 United States 09/10/2020 05:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved It is shocking that anyone claims to be a Christian and believes in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture as there's not any Biblical proof for it.
I encourage everyone to read the Bible particularly the KJV and study it. Even if you are not a Christian, it's compelling to begin with the Gospels and see what Jesus said. Any Christian reading about the Great Apostasy and the Harpazo is going to have to admit that a Post-Tribulation Pre-Wrath Harpazo makes sense according to what the Bible says. |
hollyavila
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AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE, SO TO SHALL THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE??
WHO WERE TAKEN OFF THE EARTH IN THE DAYS OF NOAH???
WHEAT IN THE TARES:
WHO GETS BURNED UP IN THE FIRE??
Quoting: Jake Hi Jake, The evil people were exterminated from the earth. Noah and his family were in a boat but were not taken from the earth. God can protect his own. He does not need to wisk his people away to protect them. Quoting: Achduke7 That's right. Yeshua comes back once, the dead rise first, then the living who remain....remain is the key word there. He does not come back twice. Jeff Byerly at Holy Spirit Wind has been receiving messages that we will be empowered, not taken out. We are the workers for the great revival that comes out of the great trib. btw. Sept 15 is the official signing of the Abraham Accord. If you have not been raptured by then, there is no pre trib rapture because that is the peace deal that starts the great trib. If we are here on the 16th, there is no pre trib rapture. |
Achduke7
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User ID: 69637911 United States 09/10/2020 06:39 AM
Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE, SO TO SHALL THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE??
WHO WERE TAKEN OFF THE EARTH IN THE DAYS OF NOAH???
WHEAT IN THE TARES:
WHO GETS BURNED UP IN THE FIRE??
Quoting: Jake Hi Jake, The evil people were exterminated from the earth. Noah and his family were in a boat but were not taken from the earth. God can protect his own. He does not need to wisk his people away to protect them. Quoting: Achduke7 That's right. Yeshua comes back once, the dead rise first, then the living who remain....remain is the key word there. He does not come back twice. Jeff Byerly at Holy Spirit Wind has been receiving messages that we will be empowered, not taken out. We are the workers for the great revival that comes out of the great trib. btw. Sept 15 is the official signing of the Abraham Accord. If you have not been raptured by then, there is no pre trib rapture because that is the peace deal that starts the great trib. If we are here on the 16th, there is no pre trib rapture. Quoting: hollyavila There will be no peace deal. God's Covenant in Daniel was ratified by Christ. Daniel 9:27 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Christ is the one that confirmed God's Covenant. Christ is the one who stopped sacrifices with his death. Pre-trib takes these verses and uses them incorrectly to support their own theories. Also there is no 7 year tribulation. The week or 7 years was cut short when Christ died. There are 3.5/42 months/1260 days/times, times and a half left. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 09/10/2020 06:49 AMAchduke |
Achduke7
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Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved Good video on the 2nd coming and the rapture. I would be interesting in knowing the opinion of some pre-tribbers. Achduke |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69675725 United States 10/22/2020 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved
And still dewpite a totally indefensible way to justify the erroneous idea of a PreTribulation Rapture, the resident neonazi is creating more pretrib rapture topics. Sometime do a reverse image search on the images that a reposted. |