Simple. Is God real? And does he truly love us?

Charity is were you will find the spirit of God, to have it you need Hope and Faith, for all Charity comes from God, a perfect being is incomprehensible to those imperfect and fallen.

The world suffers because it is fallen and in domain of the enemy's of righteousness, the Son came to free those bond if they would listen and abide what he spoke. But many loveth darkness more than light and so embrace the sins of this world and are bound through it to underworlds.

God does not desire mankind to suffer but if he sees that suffering a little while saves them from greater suffering eternally, he does suffer it be so. Ultimately God is perfect understanding of Love.

I feel the same...

What God? Fictitious ones made up in stories? Advanced human ET's that seeded life on Earth considered God or Gods? Or are you talking about "source" the prime creator of everything?

Love cannot be forced, goes both ways.

How are you saved exactly?

and the rainbow symbol you see everywhere is his promise of no more judgement.

Yes, and yes

Your conception of God as an entity is inaccurate.

Well it appears you have eliminated all the other gods some people believe. So I have to I put your god where you put the other gods. Far to little proof of any god. So I'll withhold belief for that reason alone. It is odd how many have human sacrifice as an important element. Throwing the virgin into the volcano or nailing one to a cross, it all seems very sick.

God is a sick demented hybrid archon.

He is not love.

You are love.

Ectoplasmic Entities are not GOD.

Advanced Beings are not GOD.

GOD is not a person.

God is waging a war, we are the front line infantry being ordered to charge into enemy machine gun fire.

We have hopes and dreams, but they don't matter. Not in this life, nor in the next.

So, does God love us? No.

In this creation, he only loves to use us; while in the next, those he wants around, he only loves to have around as decorative items.

You are peace . You are joy. You are hope.

Let go of God.

There is only pain in that path .

God is the author of confusion.

full of ignorance.. ugly post... Creation creates ONLY IN LOVE... this is crap.

It is true most people believe in this shit head.. and this shit head is a figment of imagination and not real. Not how the creation works. the ugly gods of earth have been HUMAN SHITS.

:NOT GOD::bible be like go:

Which God for god's sake? The Indian people in one religion have 330 million gods, so what the phuck are you talking about?

Here's a tip, the God of all Creations aka the Father of Jesus Christ is "The Buck Stops Here" God.

If you want to duke it out with 330 million others, go ahead but you'll be tired.

God is real and loving and caring. You can meet God if you love him with all your heart, mind, soul, strength. God is love, and no darkness in him at all. All the bad things in this world are the result of Satan and Human sin. God does not want anyone to perish but have eternal life. You just have to earn it, for the way to Heaven is long and narrow, very few find the way.

God showed up for me, I met God face to face and lived.

OP, I have a question for you.

How does your life change in knowing or not knowing that information?

Ask yourself if you would act differently if it is absolutely true or absolutely false. The internal answer you get will be your guide.

Christians it is time for the real truth okay?

Getting rid of the cross - a Pleiadian channeling

"We Pleiadians do not say that you should not worship Christ or his teachings. What we want you to do, is see the real Christ and strip away the lies that the church and patriarchs have imposed on you. It is time that you realize that, just as Christ, you are divine beings who have the freedom and power to create peace and harmony. You are capable of being deeply spiritual and you are able to let your consciousness grow and develop." ~ message from the Pleiades, 2008


One thing about the Pleiadians is that they sometimes love to be very shocking and confronting. They like to say the most outrageous and heretic things that are bound to push people’s buttons and make them angry. I want to warn you that this post contains one of those confronting Pleiadian messages. This post is highly heretic, for it will tear to shreds one of the most outrageous lies about the worshipping of Jesus Christ. According to the Pleiadians, one of the major scams of the age of Pisces was that the patriarchs of the Roman Empire and the early church fathers managed to get the Christians to worship Jesus Christ on the Cross. In 2008 I channeled a message from the Pleiadians that addresses this issue:

“Peoples of the Earth, you have been fooled. By now you know that the church is out to use people to get power. You are aware that your churches and governments use misinformation to stop people from attaining freedom. You know that your roman catholic church, your World Elite and your governments do all within their might to prevent human consciousness from growing. But one of the most clever and conniving tricks that the church has ever concocted, one that has been so deeply ingrained in your minds that you hardly question it, is one that few of you have ever looked at:

The patriarchs of the Roman Empire and the early church fathers managed to get the Christians to worship Jesus Christ on the Cross, thus blocking the growth of human consciousness!

The early church fathers and the Roman patriarchs told the Christians that Jesus Christ had died for their sins, and that his sacrifice had redeemed them. So let’s address the matter of sin and redemption first.

Many of you believe that worshipping the image of Jesus Christ on the Cross is a humble act, which honours him for the ‘fact’ that he died for your sins. We Pleiadians know that you are sincere when you worship Jesus Christ in this way and that you are coming from your hearts. But get this people – and we know that you don’t like to hear this: Jesus Christ never believed in sin! Look at your Bible stories and look at the way Christ treated those who were supposedly ‘sinners!’ If you would only stop for a moment and wonder how the followers of Jesus Christ came to worship him for supposedly liberating humankind from sin, when Christ did not believe in sin himself, you would be able to free yourself from this mouldy old lie!

Sin has nothing to do with Christ. ‘Sin’ is a concept that was invented by the early patriarchs. It is a construct that is used to control people, and to get them to give their power away. Sin induces fear, and it makes you believe that you have lost a part of your inherent divinity. Wake up, people!! Saying that you could be anything less than divine in the eyes of God, that is what we Pleiadians call heresy! You are a spark of God’s divine essence. Saying that you could lose your divine splendour is like saying that God has ceased to be Divine!

So do not worry about sin!! Learn from your mistakes and do no harm. But shake your brain cells out and dump all those silly ideas about sin. Don’t let anyone lead you around by the nose who wants to make you believe in sin. Some people may make you believe that you are becoming a better person if you believe in sin, and that it will make you humble. But all that it really does, is diminish your power. And that’s the real agenda, folks.

The trick with the Cross
So what do we Pleiadians have to say about the Cross?

The consciousness that you call ‘Christ’ was a divine being who came to Earth to show the way. He taught that all humans could become just like him. When the patriarchs realized that Christ’s teachings were on the verge of causing the enlightenment of the human species, they were not happy. They were not yet willing to give up their power, and so they tried to put a stop to it by means of a bloody persecution of the Christians. But the followers of Christ all resonated with his teachings and there was no way to stop his words from spreading. So the patriarchs and early church fathers took control of the teachings and distorted them, which you have already found out much about in recent years.

But then one of the early church fathers had another clever idea. He said:

“All of these Christians want to be like Jesus Christ. We have to make them believe that they are not able to be like Him, and we have to make them afraid of becoming like Him. As long as they believe this, they will not be able to become as spiritual and enlightened as he was.”

In order to accomplish the implementing of this belief, the patriarchs and early church fathers invented the worship of Christ on the Cross!

How did this serve them? It is very simple: Think back of the times in your history when the gallows (or crosses!) were positioned on a hill outside the town walls, clearly visible from the main roads leading to the town gates. This was a threat and warning to all market people, travelling folks, thieves and others visiting the town, making certain that everyone knew what would happen if they broke the law.

Think of what the Christians, who have for many centuries worshipped the image of Jesus on the cross, have subconsciously been imprinting: “If you want to be like Jesus, you will end up on the cross!”

Retarding the growth of human consciousness
In recent years you have learned a lot about the workings of subliminal messages in movies and advertisements, which are messages so quick or minimal that the conscious mind cannot register them, while the subconscious mind does pick them up. Your scientists have recently confirmed the powerful influence that subliminal messages have on your moods, your beliefs and your choices, even when your conscious minds are occupied with something else entirely. We Pleiadians say that it is time for you to contemplate the effects of the image of ‘Christ on the Cross’ on your subconscious minds.

The lie of the cross has convinced millions of Christians that they cannot possibly be like Christ. They think: “Look at what he was able to go through. I know I could never do that. I will never be able to be like him. I am of much less value than he was.” We Pleiadians say: Get real, people! Christ never said that you had to be able to suffer terrible pain! He was a healer who lovingly relieved the pain of the suffering. By making Christ’s suffering divine, the church has tricked your subconscious minds into believing that in order to be truly divine, you have to be able to let someone hammer nails through your hands and feet!

This subliminal, subconscious mind programming has caused a lot of Christians to feel worthless and completely powerless. They began to give their power away to the church, believing that only the church could save them and offer them a touch of the divine. Notice that this caused them to lose touch with the divine within themselves, which is the complete opposite of the teachings of Christ, who taught people about the divine in all human beings!

The image of the cross has frightened people away from attempting to be like Christ. The subconscious mind registers the warning of the cross and screams: “Becoming spiritual is dangerous! Bad news, buddy! Don’t do that!” Despite well-meaning conscious motivations, the subconscious mind repeatedly says: “Better not be like Christ if you want to stay safe.”

As a result the development of human consciousness has been seriously retarded. You humans could all have developed yourselves a lot further than you have up till now, if it had not been for this insidious lie. Beware that this is exactly what the patriarchs and early church fathers wanted!

Could the early church fathers and patriarchs really have been so cunning, you ask? Yes, they could and they were! They were highly trained in the arts of mind control and they were rubbing their hands with glee when they saw more and more Christians flocking into their churches, gazing up at and adoring the image of Christ on the Cross! Voluntarily, no less!

Marketing the lie
Cunning as they were, the Roman patriarchs and the church fathers did not market the fearful image of Christ on the Cross as a threat. The Roman Empire had tried to openly beat and frighten the Christians away from Christ’s teachings, and failed. So the cunning early church fathers carefully introduced the Christians to the worship of Christ on the Cross. They piously said: “Jesus Christ was our Saviour. He died for our sins, and thus redeemed us. And now God will always welcome us in Heaven, even when we have sinned. Let us honour Him.”

Large campaigns were launched to advertise the cross as the new symbol of Christianity. Thousands of effigies of Jesus Christ on the Cross were crafted and placed in churches and in people’s homes. Huge crosses were erected everywhere, and people wore cross pendants ranging from highly expensive ones with rubies and sapphires laid in silver and gold, to the simplest ones carved out of wood. In all sermons and prayers Christians were reminded of the ‘Sacrifice of our Lord.’ And thus the doctrine of ‘Jesus died for our sins’ was spread as far and wide as possible.

And the Christians took the bait. In awe of Jesus Christ and a little fearful of the ominous preachers with their sin doctrine (imagine you could lose your divinity/be a sinner!) the Christians began to devoutly worship their teacher, Jesus Christ, for his death and his redemption of the human race. But as we have mentioned, it was all a huge scam! Spot the lies again: 1) Jesus did not believe in sin. 2) Jesus taught that God always welcomes you with open arms, regardless of your struggles in life. So why would any of his followers believe in the need for redemption? The story was false and utterly ridiculous! The only reason it was swallowed, was that people believed in sin! Which was an old remnant of the patriarchy, not one of Christ’s teachings!

It is time for you to see how you have been fooled by those old patriarchs!

Time to wake up!
We Pleiadians like to trigger you by saying things that are completely outrageous to you. For if it makes you blazingly angry, it means that your energy is moving after having been stuck for a long time. And so we ask you: Don’t you think it is strange to worship the corpse of your teacher nailed to a piece of wood?? Think about it!

When we first mentioned this to Maaike, she was grossed out and simultaneously highly amused by visualizing herself putting an image of her teacher Barbara Hand Clow’s decaying body on the wall one day. Do you think that’s disgusting? Good! Now ask yourself why you are doing this with Jesus!

It is time for you to wake up and shake off the weight of the cross. You have been fooled by the patriarchy and the church, and it is high time you see through the lies and take back your freedom and your power. We Pleiadians do not say that you should not worship Christ or his teachings. What we want you to do, is see the real Christ and strip away the lies that the church and patriarchs have imposed on you. Forget about the cross! It is time that you realize that, just as Christ, you are divine beings who have the freedom and power to create peace and harmony. You are capable of being deeply spiritual and you are able to let your consciousness grow and develop. You can be like Christ, and no nails shall have to be hammered through your hands and feet in order for you to attain this!”

Anyone who claims they know is a fool. It is all faith. Every bit of everyone's beliefs whether atheist or not. It is faith.

Sgiwbme proof he doesnt exist or does. You cant.

So any extrapolation from these two viewpoints is nothing but an opinion based off what they have either experienced in life or read in a book or was told in a university or church pew.

Faith. It is the essence of mankind. What makes us unique from all creatures.

As for love. Also based off experiences or choice based off faith. The psychological elements are profound in stories I've read over the globe.

I dont know either way. I hope there is something out there that loves us. But people are so indecisive and contradictory in their own ways of expressing their faith and love I often question how an all intelligible god could even remotely possibly give two shits about what I see and hear every day.

At the end of the day it is your faith and that is all that matters. Anyone who declares so apithany ignore them completely. Do so for your own good. They will let you down the next day with their actions and own hypocrisy towards others. Never allow a man to declare god to you or book or story. Find him yourself in your own way. If it is christ, Muhammad, Krishna, whatever it may be be at peace with it and roll.

I personally believe in christ as the one savior but often I question myself and realize it is absolutely faith alone. I chose to follow him and ask for forgiveness when I was 10. It made logical sense and life to me is precious. All life. Not specific lives. All of them. I will always try and be a light to others but also recognize when one should dust their feet off and walk out of town and let it burn. You will never find love on a forum either or friendship or anything short of disdain or harm.

Good luck in your quest.

This religion created by Constantine was nothing new, it was the exact same religious system dating back to Babylon and the same religion Constantine worshipped before and until his death... sun worship. Constantine was a follower of Christos Mithra whose followers were known as Christians. It was identical in every way to worship of the stars (Sun/Moon/Planets) that originated in Babylon.

Constantine just renamed Tammuz/Apollo/Mithra to “Jesus”.

His coins remained inscribed with“dedicated to the Invincible Sun” until his death. It is no surprise Constantine while bowing to the sun saw the Cross of Tammuz... that was his religion. St. Augustine of Hippo (354 -430 CE) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name.

M a k e no m i st a k e, t he r e l i gion of Christianity was not authored by the J8wish Messiah Yahshua as it has no relationship to the Hebrew Faith held by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Yahshua, even the Apostle Paul, or any of the disciples or apostles or early church in Jerusalem. I n f a c t , Constantine’s religion of Christianity is a carbon copy of The Mystery Religion of Babylon... sun worship

From Constantine's point of view, there were several factions that needed satisfying, and he set out to develop anall-embracing religion during a period of irreverent confusion. In an age of crass ignorance, with nine-tenths of the peoples of Europe illiterate, stabilizing religious splinter groups was only one of Constantine's problems. T h e smooth generalization, which so many historians are content to repeat, that Constantine "embraced the Christian religion" and subsequently granted "official toleration", is "contrary to historical fact" and should be erased from our literature forever... (Catholic Encyclopedia, Peccid., vol. iii, p.299, passim).

So our contention that Constantine embraced the J8wish Messiah is not true and should be totally erased from our minds. Simply put, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time, and the Church acknowledges that the tale of his "conversion" and "baptism" are "entirely legendary" and never happened at all. (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. xiv, pp. 370-1)

He made the changes and then enforced the conversion by threat of death. When he conquered the East in 324 he sent his Spanish religious adviser, Osius of Córdoba, to Alexandria with letters to several pagan bishops exhorting them to make peace among themselves. The mission failed and Constantine, probably at the suggestion of Osius, then issued a decree commanding all pagan presbyters (pagan priests) and their subordinates "be mounted on asses, mules and horses belonging to the public, and (forced to) travel to the city of Nicaea" in the Roman province of Bithynia in Asia Minor

After these pagan priests were commanded to “mount asses and co me to Nicaea” they were instructed to bring with them the testimonies they orated to the rabble (uneducated pagan masses), "bound in leather" for protection during the long journey, and surrender them to Constantine upon arrival in Nicaea (The Catholic Dictionary, Addis and Arnold, 1917, "Council of Nicaea" entry).

Their writings totaled "in all, two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviours, together with a record of the doctrinesorated by them"(Life of Constantine, op. cit., vol. ii, p. 73; N&PNF, op. cit., vol. i, p. 518). Ofcourse, we don’t have them now to compare to YHVH’s Truth, these pagan writing which were the foundation of Christianity were carefully and totally destroyed after the Council of Nicaea... for obvious reasonsNow the “foundation of Christianity” and how this massive lie started begins to come into focus. It was created at The Council of Nicaea founded not on The Torah and Messiah but rather “two thousand twohundred and thirty one scrolls and legendary tales of literally hundreds of gods and saviors and pagan doctrines”. This is what Constantine set out to standardize into one generic neutral religion that they all could agree upon!

A syncretic religion was bo r n ! That resulting religion was named “Christianity” and the god of this new religion was named Hesus Horus Krishna later to be known in English as... Jesus (Hesus) H. (Horus) Christ (Krishna). This is historical fact. Up until the First Council of Nicaea, the Roman aristocracy primarily worshipped two Greek gods-Apollo and Zeus-but the great bulk of common people idolized either Julius Caesar or Mithras (the Romanized version of the Persian deity Mithra who was an incarnation of the Babylonian Tammuz). Caesar was deified by the Roman Senate after his death (15 March 44 BC) and subsequently venerated as "the Divine Julius"(very close to the name “Jesus”). The word "Saviour" was affixed to his name, its literal meaning being "one who sows the seed", i.e., he was a phallic god.

Julius Caesar (the initials JC same as Jesus Christ) was hailed as "God made manifest and universal Saviour of human life", and his successor Augustus was called the "ancestral God and Saviour of the whole human race" (Man and his Gods, Homer Smith, Little, Brown & Co.,Boston, 1952). So Julius was known as “Julius Christos” making it very easy for his followers to accept the new god “Jesus Christ”.The Divine Julius as Roman Savior and "Father of the Empire" was considered "God" among the Roman uneducated pagan population for more than 300 years. He was the deity in some Western pagan priestly texts, but was not recognized in Eastern or Oriental writings. So Constantine was forced to include the Eastern realm god Krishna.

Constantine hada political problem that required a religious solution. He had to come up with a “god” that those who worshipped Julius would accept that would be acceptable to the factions in the Eastern and Orient who worshipped Krishna. All of these gods(Jove, Jupiter, Salenus, Baal, Thor, Gade, Apollo, Juno, Aries, Taurus, Minerva, Rhets, Mithra, Theo, Fragapatti, Atys, Durga, Indra, Neptune, Vulcan, Kriste, Agni, Croesus, Pelides, Huit, Hermes, Thulis, Thammus, Eguptus, Iao, Aph, Saturn, Gitchens, Minos, Maximo, Hecla and Phernes and many more) were narrowed down from literally hundreds down to 53 then after much debate down to only 5 through balloting: Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus and Zeus ( Historia Ecclesiastica, Eusebius, c. 325) then after much debate down to only 5 through balloting: Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus and Zeus (Historia Ecclesiastica, Eusebius, c. 325). To make a very long and detailed story short, the council could not come to a decision on just one god they all could accept, so Constantine exercised his authority as Emperor and High Priest to consolidate the 3 primary gods that would effectively represent the Greek masses and the Eastern and the Oriental religions of the Roman Empire.Every one of these so called “gods” are nothing more than laterincarnations of the Babylonian Religion whose saviour was Tammuz the second member of the Trinity and son of “God”. Then names simply changed at the tower of Babel.

So, Constantine chose the following “gods” to unite his empire:
• To placate the powerful British factions he chose the great Druid god which was the sun god Hesus (an incarnation of Nimrod/Tammuz),
•To placate the faction from Egypt he chose the Assyrian sun god Horus (an incarnation of Nimrod/Tammuz).
•To placate the Eastern/Oriental factionsh e c h o s e t h e E a s t e r n S a v i o u r -god, Krishna (Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ) (an incarnation of Nimrod/Tammuz). These three main sun god / saviours were then united into one composite deity called Hesus Horus Krishna which later became known in its English derived name as Jesus H. Christ.Satisfying the “Julius”, Esu, Horus, and Krishna faithful who made up the vast majority of his empire, Constantine now had a “god” for his new religion which was not new at all but the rebirth of Babylonian sun worship .

A “god” easily acceptable by all throughout his realm (except true followers of Yahshua whom he simply had killed in the inquisition)The word “Krishna” is Sanskrit for Christ and over time the word evolved from Krishna to Krischto to Chresto to Christ. Itmeans “the anointed one” and the meaning is very different from the Hebrew word “messiah”.Paintings even began to emerge of this triple figured “god” named Jesus with the sun over his head, it was the new Sungod to be worshipped on Sungod Day called to this day Sun

Readers of The Christ of India are aware of the hypothesis (we think it is a fact) that from the very beginning there were two Christianities.

One was the Christianity we know today that developed in the Mediterranean world over the centuries. It accommodated itself to the current religious beliefs–especially those of the Roman emperors–and even absorbed and conformed itself to them to such an extent that after three centuries it became the state religion of the Empire presided over by the unbaptized and blatantly unchristian “Saint” Constantine. He was only the first in a series of “vicars of Christ” (this expression originated with the Byzantine emperors and only some time later was appropriated by the Bishop of Rome, who also stole the title “Pope” from the Bishop of Alexandria) who ruled over the Church as well as the state, and who, despite their often shockingly violent and immoral lives were declared saints of the state servant-church. Today, divided into thousands of warring and warlike sects–the three leading ones being the Byzantine Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Roman Catholic Churches–it has become a multi-headed monster that, however wounded, flourishes with the tenacity and intensity often encountered in the mad and the madcap.

The other Christianity was the religion learned by Jesus from his Essene family and during his “lost years” in India, then brought by him back to the “West,” to Israel. Rejected and martyred for teaching that religion, after his resurrection he returned to India and lived twenty or more years at peace in the Himalayas with disciples. The apostle Thomas, the Twin, who truly was the spiritual twin of his Master, followed him to India. Saint Thomas went to Ephesus to be present at the death of the Virgin Mary, then journeyed on to Israel and persuaded a large number of the Qumran Essenes to come with him into South India (the present-day Kerala) to practice the religion Jesus had taught (virtually in vain) to the Israelites. They agreed and did so, linking up with a vast number of Brahmins who had emigrated from Kashmir after becoming disciples of both Jesus and Saint Thomas. It is this Christianity that is found in the Gospel of Thomas.

In December of 1945, an Egyptian farmer near Nag Hammadi unearthed in his field more than fifty ancient Christian books, written in the Coptic (ancient Egyptian) language. Among them was the book now know as The Gospel of Thomas. Portions of three Greek copies of the Gospel of Thomas had been found about half a century before in Oxyrhynchus Egypt. They are known as Oxyrhynchus Papyrus 1 (Oxy P 1) probably written not much later than the year 200, Oxy P 654, which can be dated to the middle or end of the third century, and Oxy P 655 dated not later than A. D. 250. The complete (Nag Hammadi) version in Coptic can be dated to about 340 A.D. The Coptic version is believed to be a translation of the Greek version.

According to the Pistis Sophia (Codex Askewianus), after His resurrection Jesus instructed Philip, Matthew, and Thomas to set down His words in writing. While Saint Thomas was in Israel visiting the Qumran community, Saint Matthew gave him a copy of his gospel, and perhaps at that time Saint Thomas gave Saint Matthew a copy of his record of Jesus’ sayings which became copied and circulated among those of gnostic inclination. Since the Nag Hammadi discovery we now possess Saint Thomas’ complete gospel.

one only need consider how the animal kingdom suffers to see that the mind that created the universe is insouciant to suffering

yes and yes