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Pilgrim001
(OP) User ID: 78018011 United States 05/31/2020 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't they put the same primer in both of them? Do any 22's use a more liable primer? Quoting: Pilgrim001 Any .22 that is centerfire. I think it has to do with how the primer is spread around the edge that makes it somewhat less reliable. Obviously the 223 is ever so slightly larger than a 22, but do Any 22LR have a center fire? Probably not. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78959435 United Kingdom 05/31/2020 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do they not use a different primer in centerfire rounds also, like fulminated silver or something? the only rimfire ive ever seen are .22, id imagine the thicker brass on larger calibre rounds means the hammer has to hit the edge of the round way harder, meaning more wear on the parts? i guess this is less of an issue with primers as they can be thinner metal than the rest of the round and still maintain enough integrty for the expansion pressures inside the round when its struck. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78401545 Latvia 05/31/2020 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't they put the same primer in both of them? Do any 22's use a more liable primer? Quoting: Pilgrim001 Any .22 that is centerfire. I think it has to do with how the primer is spread around the edge that makes it somewhat less reliable. Obviously the 223 is ever so slightly larger than a 22, but do Any 22LR have a center fire? Probably not. It wouldn't be a .22lr if it was centerfire. .22 WMR is centerfire. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78959435 United Kingdom 05/31/2020 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think ive figured it out, i guess with center fire calibres the triggering of the primer means the expansion gasses of the powder travel outwards in a bubble and if the primer is at the side, the pressure of the expanding bubble hits the lead projectile at a skewed angle, creating a less realiable pressure dynamic inside the round, whereass when the primer is in the center the center of the bubble hits the center of the lead projectile first and the pressure dynamic is more unified towards the center of the projector thus the rounds realiability is more assured. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78959435 United Kingdom 05/31/2020 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think ive figured it out, i guess with center fire calibres the triggering of the primer means the expansion gasses of the powder travel outwards in a bubble and if the primer is at the side, the pressure of the expanding bubble hits the lead projectile at a skewed angle, creating a less realiable pressure dynamic inside the round, whereass when the primer is in the center the center of the bubble hits the center of the lead projectile first and the pressure dynamic is more unified towards the center of the projector thus the rounds realiability is more assured. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78959435 Also ive just read that rimfire has significantly less pressure, and the brass is actually much thinner too, as the hammer has to hit the round edge. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78401545 Latvia 05/31/2020 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't they put the same primer in both of them? Do any 22's use a more liable primer? Quoting: Pilgrim001 Any .22 that is centerfire. I think it has to do with how the primer is spread around the edge that makes it somewhat less reliable. Obviously the 223 is ever so slightly larger than a 22, but do Any 22LR have a center fire? Probably not. It wouldn't be a .22lr if it was centerfire. .22 WMR is centerfire. Correction. .22 WMR is not centerfire, i though it was. .22 Hornet is. |
Icey
User ID: 77119763 United States 05/31/2020 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know they say .22 rimfire are less reliable. I have fired hundreds of thousands of .22 rounds. I have only had a few( less than 5) not fire when struck. I have had dozens of centerfire rounds fail to fire. In my experience .22 is at least as reliable. Mileage may vary. I am SNOWIE. WELCOME TO THE NEW ICE AGE. TRY NOT TO STARVE. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76570709 United States 05/31/2020 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know they say .22 rimfire are less reliable. I have fired hundreds of thousands of .22 rounds. I have only had a few( less than 5) not fire when struck. I have had dozens of centerfire rounds fail to fire. In my experience .22 is at least as reliable. Mileage may vary. Quoting: Icey I don't think u find rimfire larger than .22 & if your weapon was rimfire that would account for the centerfire fails |
Pilgrim001
(OP) User ID: 78018011 United States 05/31/2020 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't they put the same primer in both of them? Do any 22's use a more liable primer? Quoting: Pilgrim001 Any .22 that is centerfire. I think it has to do with how the primer is spread around the edge that makes it somewhat less reliable. Obviously the 223 is ever so slightly larger than a 22, but do Any 22LR have a center fire? Probably not. It wouldn't be a .22lr if it was centerfire. .22 WMR is centerfire. This is really about me wanting a 22 pocket pistol and the general concensus is that rimfires aren't reliable enough for self protection. Do they make a 22WMR pocket pistol? I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Pilgrim001
(OP) User ID: 78018011 United States 05/31/2020 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know they say .22 rimfire are less reliable. I have fired hundreds of thousands of .22 rounds. I have only had a few( less than 5) not fire when struck. I have had dozens of centerfire rounds fail to fire. In my experience .22 is at least as reliable. Mileage may vary. Quoting: Icey What do you consider the most reliable brand 22? CCI? I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
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Icey
User ID: 77119763 United States 05/31/2020 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know they say .22 rimfire are less reliable. I have fired hundreds of thousands of .22 rounds. I have only had a few( less than 5) not fire when struck. I have had dozens of centerfire rounds fail to fire. In my experience .22 is at least as reliable. Mileage may vary. Quoting: Icey What do you consider the most reliable brand 22? CCI? CCI is good ammo. I am SNOWIE. WELCOME TO THE NEW ICE AGE. TRY NOT TO STARVE. |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 05/31/2020 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't they put the same primer in both of them? Do any 22's use a more liable primer? Quoting: Pilgrim001 Rimfire does not, per se, have a separate primer. Centerfire does have a primer in the center of the cartridge casing. Rimfire uses a lower charge and much smaller bullets than centerfire ammunition. And fires at a much lower speed in terms of feet per second travel of the bullet once fired. "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 05/31/2020 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78401545 Any .22 that is centerfire. I think it has to do with how the primer is spread around the edge that makes it somewhat less reliable. Obviously the 223 is ever so slightly larger than a 22, but do Any 22LR have a center fire? Probably not. It wouldn't be a .22lr if it was centerfire. .22 WMR is centerfire. This is really about me wanting a 22 pocket pistol and the general concensus is that rimfires aren't reliable enough for self protection. Do they make a 22WMR pocket pistol? They do. Look at the North American Arms derringer. You can get one that has two cylinders, one for .22 long rifle and the other for .22 WMR. The concern for rimfire pocket pistols isn't as much ammunition failure as it is the potential effect, or lack thereof, of a 40 grain lead bullet fired at, compared to centerfire ammunition, low speeds. If you're up close and personal? It'd would likely suffice. If you're at a distance likely not so much. Why the interest in that caliber as a pocket pistol? "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Pilgrim001
(OP) User ID: 78018011 United States 05/31/2020 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Pilgrim001 Obviously the 223 is ever so slightly larger than a 22, but do Any 22LR have a center fire? Probably not. It wouldn't be a .22lr if it was centerfire. .22 WMR is centerfire. This is really about me wanting a 22 pocket pistol and the general concensus is that rimfires aren't reliable enough for self protection. Do they make a 22WMR pocket pistol? They do. Look at the North American Arms derringer. You can get one that has two cylinders, one for .22 long rifle and the other for .22 WMR. The concern for rimfire pocket pistols isn't as much ammunition failure as it is the potential effect, or lack thereof, of a 40 grain lead bullet fired at, compared to centerfire ammunition, low speeds. If you're up close and personal? It'd would likely suffice. If you're at a distance likely not so much. Why the interest in that caliber as a pocket pistol? I want a really small pocket pistol and it doesn't get much smaller than 22. I'm looking at the ruger LCPII 22LR. I think that the CCI Velocitor would do the job. I had an American Arms 5shot 22 and it was actually too small for me. My DIL carries it, or at least she has it. I saw her packing a 40cal recently. Last Edited by Bennder on 05/31/2020 11:19 PM I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Phillip J. Fry
User ID: 73149253 United States 05/31/2020 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rimfire priming compound is spun into the rim of the casing. If it’s not evenly distributed misfire can happen. Cartridge rims can cause magazine feeding issues. A 22 rimfire also is a poor self defense ammunition. . "Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case for the love of God. Don't not do it!" |