Time To Think About Bugging Out.

You can't just bug out. You need to have a stable, long-term destination, and if shit goes bad, it probably needs to be outside the US. Our supply chains are so thin and untested in crisis that, even in an otherwise safe rural area, food security can become an issue.

I've spent a lot of time looking at options. Except for Costa Rica and Belize, Central and South American countries all have issues. Belize has the best immigration options and English is primary language. It's pretty cheap,but the economy is shit, so you better have some dough.

The best option right now, believe it or not, is Russia. Russia has created a welcoming immigration policy. It's a pain in the ass to get a visa, but once you are there, they have set up a straightforward process for citizenship.

They are also culturally quite conservative, so they will be better placed to handle any tumult. Where the US is just entering an extended crisis phase, Russia already endured that and is probably well-positioned for long-term growth. They also have the best mathematical minds in the world.

EDIT: Also 13% flat tax in Russia.

Last Edited by Zalinsky on 06/02/2020 09:15 AM

I assume gun battles will start in the next day or 2. Just a matter of time. When the news starts reporting injuries and deaths from gunshots that's when its time to start panicking and bugging out if you can't protect your property. There will be many deaths on both sides. It will seem like a civil war but wont be officially yet.

These weeks will go down in American history, more so than Covid-19. Good will overcome evil. Be safe America and good luck to you,

Bugging out only makes sense if four conditions apply:

1. Staying where you are is untenable - that is, doing so poses a hazard to your personal safety and that of your family;

2. Your bugout destination has food, water and other essential supplies and supports that are abundant and available for an indefinite period of time;

3. The bugout destination is sufficiently distant from major urban areas and remote enough to be difficult for most people to reach;

4. The route to your bugout destination is not likely to be well travelled by others;

5. You are in good health and do not require prescription drugs or other ongoing medical supports, and you are likely to remain healthy for an indefinite period of time, or for at least as long as it takes for the crisis to pass and a return to living in an urban region is possible.

Given the large population of the US and its population density, there are few places other than Alaksa that would make bugging out possible. The only other regions that might facilitate survival are Nevada, Arizona and the western desert regions of Texas near the border with Mexico, but again, any such locations must allow you to meet the five conditions I outlined earlier.

And in each of these regions you would find yourself needing to live off the land eventually, if the crisis lasts for a very long time or is permanent.

The same holds true for Canada, which is about 80 - 90% uninhabited, but offers abundant water and wildlife, and it is possible to grow some crops in some surprisingly far northern regions.

In Canada, it might also be possible to live in the northern regions of provinces like Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Quebec and British Columbia where you're not too far from a small town and are likely to be left alone. However, with such a strategy, survival may depend on how well supplied the small towns are.

Wrong. Bugging out isn't the answer. It'd take decent Americans about 9 hours to clean up our country. Running away to the woods like a little bitch isn't going to solve your problems.

Make your deathlist, pick your targets.

watcha got advice for those who really dont have options like going somewhere?

not everyone's been on glp since forever and tracking and prepping for shieza to hit the fan

We are jolly green giants walking the earth with guns!

Actually your inspiration should be the Vietnamese nationalist freedom fighters and not the US-Internationalist losers mercenaries that got their asses kicked.

The only prepping you can really do is mentally and spiritually. Even in the best bug out scenarios, you are just buying a month of time at best if there's a collapse.

I agree, no safe place. Rural areas will become the wild west. Raiders with rifles patrolling the highways looking for bounty. In fact youre probably better off to be in a heavy policed zone and be invisible

I assure you that in SHTF, rural people will quickly assume the collectivist mindset that is required to survive. Rural areas will be the safest.

How about instead staying put and DEFENDING your community? This is what some towns are doing and running these so called "protesters" and really ANTIFA, out of town!

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Who put haterade on your Cheerios? That’s harsh dude.

Many decades ago when times were rough
and protests etc were raging out of control.
Along with deadly diseases etc.etc. etc.
A very wise man told me that the
Only Safe Place To Hide Was In Your Heart.
It took me a while to figure out what he
was saying but it worked and and has worked
for decades. Right now i am old and useless
and one of those people that various groups
would love to kill off. And i am having to
truly work at retreat in to the only safe
place that i know of .... in my heart !!!
Fact is that i found a safe area to retire to.
In a small town in a rural area.
And have enjoyed it a lot.
But NOW the city people are fleeing the cities
in droves and bringing their HATE up here
with them!
Which is terrifying !

I'M STICKING- BOOBY TRAPS- WINDOWN 12 GAGE SURPRISES- BUMP FIRES- RIOT SHOTGUNS

and a long list of electrical surprises at 460 volts just waiting for the lucky perps

this land is mine- I will die defending my right to have peace and contentment on the land I spent a lifetime building and paying for

some days-----I even think I would welcome the hoard

Heard the same thing about the Bayou Corne sinkhole.

People were losing their mind here and telling people to bug out since Louisiana was about to sink into the Gulf of Mexico.

How'd did that go...crickets

Panic much GLP?

^^^THIS^^^

Bug out to some spider hole so looters can burn this house down?

I don't think so. It's not even close to time to bug out. More like time to dig in.

I lived there and in Ukraine. In Russia, only Moscow and St. Petersburg provide any type of decent living conditions - be prepared to spend TALL cash for anything resembling what you're used to in the US.

Outside of Moscow, St. Petersburg, RU or Kyiv, Ukraine - everything is shit.

I love me livin' right outside the town limits. Our town has ~ 8k population, it's a good town, just homes are too close together for my liking, the country has ~ 9k population but is really spread out. 10 minutes I am at a grocery store in town. Really can't get much better than that.

Some people need to ask themselves how much change they can really take? Is selling out and remaining ignorant a better solution for many?

I sure hope mum, dad, gran and pa, and probably a few other family members, all tow the line When shit hits the fan.

Even if they end up in the fema camps if the shit gets real thick. Some people are to far conditioned to live outside the illusion of state protection. Some people need to believe they are all here for our better good to keep their illusion of a life afloat.

We don’t need to freak out and rick the boat. Just deal with the bad eggs. If this explodes out of control, it’s not just then us and them.

It’s us and us and us ..... and them.

Things must be moved in a way there is some regulation or rule of law involved. Anarchy can not be allowed to ensue. The people are far to uneducated and conditioned into bigoted mentalities to be capable of any self order.

I'm going to be a problem because I'm not giving up my freedom.

It really is a personnel choice , you have to factor in a lot of things as people have spoken of so far.
The first step is to really think about it , then when you decide research it.

Then look at viable options.

home: when you have to go there, they have to take you in

Not intent on being that person ..... we all have many times over.

Now I’m with you. 100%. I’m just that geeky autistic nerd that’s got it figured out with less death and ptsd.

I mean whatever happens to get out of this pickle and win, great.

If we lose everything though, in the process and by that, become like them, have we really won anything.

Yup.

Most people should stay where they are and work with their neighbors.

Why I moved to an area with no black population.

But i’d love to get away to the country.