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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77933412 United States 06/02/2020 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When you are hacking people's phones the IMEI is fucking precious ain't it. I spent a little time on this back when my iphone was stolen. Revisiting it in more detail because I'm bored. [link to security.stackexchange.com (secure)] "The IMEI is not a hash. It is a (usually) unique identifier for mobile devices which are GSM capable. When a phone is placed on the barred list, the carriers all get a copy of this list, and their towers will simply send back a "barred" rejection if a barred IMEI tries to register on the system. The hardware's support for programming the IMEI is variable, though many baseband implementations nowadays have a write lock which can't be undone once set (at least without serious trickery). The usual way in which people get around barred IMEIs is to take a non-barred donor board from another device with severe physical damage (e.g. smashed screen and case) but with an otherwise functioning mainboard" so the IMEI in native state is just a key, but there are vendor-specific schemes which add an encryption scheme. Hackers are using working IMEIs from broken phones, which makes a lot of sense since you probably can't resurrect that number anyway. yeah, so I reverse-engineered it pretty close. "From what I've read, modern iOS devices implement NCK using something analogous to public key cryptography, with the carrier unlock data sent via SMS" Basically a 2-key system like bitcoin. Not bad for a genius retard. you can't spoof it on the fly like MAC address because there's a 2nd key encoded in the firmware that validates. you have to rewrite the firmware with both keys, the IMEI and the validation key. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74688880 Finland 06/02/2020 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.tmz.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190 Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery. Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights. Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless. Linux USB .iso has entered the chat have you actually tried to run Linux on Apple hardware? it's much harder than you think, Apple has a hardware spike now that they did several years ago. bro macOS is BSD... BSD = UNIX Linux = UNIX I like macs for that very reason... I can drop to unix shell and do my work real easy... |
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User ID: 78589210 United States 06/02/2020 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apple learned quickly after the string of smash & grabs at California Apple stores last year. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77914913 Apple is 100% anti theft. If they didn't have the iCloud locking anti-theft feature, shit would be getting snatched out of people's hands 100x the rate they are now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78009776 United States 06/02/2020 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same goes for very high end hand bags. They all have individual serial numbers. Good luck trying to sell one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190 No one ever said criminals were bright. Do they really? Wow... I get bored so sometimes I watch the "beauty" channels for the "drama". LOL They have these $1000s purses and I don't remember the names but I'm suppose to be impressed by them because of the way they talk about them. Leaving them to their children as??? pieces of art??? wha??? anyway, they talk about those things like they are precious. And they are ALL ugly purses. UGLY, UGLY, UGLY!!! I don't see the lure and I'm a girl.... I don't understand the whole "glamour" crowd thingie but it's good for laughs and comedy relief. Let's see.... Jeffree Star and Rich Lux are the only two who's names I know... wait, there's that kid, James Charles, he's always in some drama crap like Jeffree is. But they have these purses and all. Stupid crap to spend money on IMO. Serial numbers on them huh? Figures. LMAO |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78030529 United States 06/02/2020 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412 jailbreaking the OS isn't the issue. the telecom protocol requires a valid IMEI. there's an blacklist IMEI registry that all the telecom providers reference. . IMEI can easily be spoofed have you done it? it can reprogrammed in firmware but I doubt it can be spoofed. other products I've worked on have a two-key system, you need the original encryption key to generate the 2nd and the client only has a decoder. yeah, it looks like you can do a hardware bypass, so there's the check against the 2nd key always passes. [link to www.firstpost.com (secure)] you'd need some specialized hardware but probably not that expensive. same way they mod a playstation bro I know nothing about playstation but seen enough discussion of the iphone now. there's no way you're going to spoof it on the fly with just the IMEI. the IMEI is being validated by a paired validation key. if you change the IMEI, the validation fails. there's a comment that expands on Apple specifics... [link to security.stackexchange.com (secure)] "modern iOS no longer uses NCK codes - the locking is enforced by the OS and it knows which networks it's locked on when it first talks to Apple during the "activation" procedure (where it gets credentials for notifications, FaceTime, etc). The configuration file is transmitted over TLS and is itself signed, so it's pretty hard to forge an "unlock" file" so there's not even encryption specifics in the phone, during setup the validation key is generated on Apple's server so they can alter the algorithm if it's cracked, and then it's written back into the firmware. this is on a par with bitcoin as far as crackability. if you have hardware access, you can rewrite the keyed pairs from another phone but even that's going to be an issue now if Apple is dynamically altering the encryption algorithm on the fly, i.e. old pairs get aged out against another key. . . |
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User ID: 77464566 United States 06/02/2020 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.tmz.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190 Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery. Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights. Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless. The looters will sell them to unsuspecting people for a big discount..... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78566178 United Kingdom 06/02/2020 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anybody subscribed to AppleMusic? The irony is not lost on me that today they will not allow you to purchase any new music, only allowing you to listen to their Beats1 radio station with BlackLiveMatter virtue signalling messaging. The song being played when I tuned in? Fuck Tha Police by NWA. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78030529 United States 06/02/2020 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. They have a hardcoded address that can be disable from telecom provider. . you ship them to Afghanistan, at that stage its someone elses problem lol that's almost certainly true. maybe can ship them to South America, Mexico, East Asia, too. now I know why so many used phones are for sale in Asia. . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74831705 United States 06/02/2020 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anybody subscribed to AppleMusic? The irony is not lost on me that today they will not allow you to purchase any new music, only allowing you to listen to their Beats1 radio station with BlackLiveMatter virtue signalling messaging. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78566178 The song being played when I tuned in? Fuck Tha Police by NWA. Thank god spotify isn't doing this. They have some play lists on the home screen regarding blm, but you can still play your normal music. I might have to cancel my subscription and go back to piracy if they were pulling what apple is doing. |
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User ID: 78884557 United Kingdom 06/02/2020 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.tmz.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190 Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery. Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights. Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless. they'll sell the iphones for parts on Ebay. that's what happened to my last iPhone. . Correction: They will offer the devices on eBay as new or like new not disclosing they are stolen and many will suffer buyers remorse ... If you are planning to purchase any electronic device off eBay make sure to do so from tenured sellers with a proven track record!!! Be smart! But when it turns out the device was stolen it would be fairly straight forward to track back to the sellers account wouldn’t it? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78951624 Australia 06/03/2020 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.tmz.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190 Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery. Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights. Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless. Linux USB .iso has entered the chat We are talking about people with an average IQ of 85 here. |