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APPLE STORE LOOTERS CAN'T USE STOLEN GADGETS ... Safeguards Already In Place

 
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IMEI can easily be spoofed
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When you are hacking people's phones the IMEI is fucking precious ain't it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77024704


I spent a little time on this back when my iphone was
stolen. Revisiting it in more detail because I'm bored.

[link to security.stackexchange.com (secure)]

"The IMEI is not a hash. It is a (usually) unique identifier for mobile devices which are GSM capable. When a phone is placed on the barred list, the carriers all get a copy of this list, and their towers will simply send back a "barred" rejection if a barred IMEI tries to register on the system.

The hardware's support for programming the IMEI is variable, though many baseband implementations nowadays have a write lock which can't be undone once set (at least without serious trickery). The usual way in which people get around barred IMEIs is to take a non-barred donor board from another device with severe physical damage (e.g. smashed screen and case) but with an otherwise functioning mainboard"

so the IMEI in native state is just a key,
but there are vendor-specific schemes which
add an encryption scheme. Hackers are using
working IMEIs from broken phones, which makes
a lot of sense since you probably can't
resurrect that number anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412



yeah, so I reverse-engineered it pretty close.

"From what I've read, modern iOS devices implement NCK using something analogous to public key cryptography, with the carrier unlock data sent via SMS"


Basically a 2-key system like bitcoin.

Not bad for a genius retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412



you can't spoof it on the fly like MAC address
because there's a 2nd key encoded in the firmware
that validates.

you have to rewrite the firmware with both keys,
the IMEI and the validation key.

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Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery.

Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights.

Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190


Linux USB .iso has entered the chat
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have you actually tried to run Linux on Apple hardware?

it's much harder than you think, Apple has a hardware
spike now that they did several years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412


bro

macOS is BSD...

BSD = UNIX
Linux = UNIX

I like macs for that very reason...

I can drop to unix shell and do my work real easy...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


hesright
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Iphones are made by slaves burn em all
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Apple learned quickly after the string of smash & grabs at California Apple stores last year.
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Apple is 100% anti theft.
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If they didn't have the iCloud locking anti-theft feature, shit would be getting snatched out of people's hands 100x the rate they are now.
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Same goes for very high end hand bags. They all have individual serial numbers. Good luck trying to sell one.

No one ever said criminals were bright.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190


Do they really? Wow... I get bored so sometimes I watch the "beauty" channels for the "drama". LOL They have these $1000s purses and I don't remember the names but I'm suppose to be impressed by them because of the way they talk about them. Leaving them to their children as??? pieces of art??? wha??? anyway, they talk about those things like they are precious. And they are ALL ugly purses. UGLY, UGLY, UGLY!!! I don't see the lure and I'm a girl.... I don't understand the whole "glamour" crowd thingie but it's good for laughs and comedy relief. Let's see.... Jeffree Star and Rich Lux are the only two who's names I know... wait, there's that kid, James Charles, he's always in some drama crap like Jeffree is. But they have these purses and all. Stupid crap to spend money on IMO. Serial numbers on them huh? Figures. LMAO
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The JTTF will be tracking and tracing these fools for years.

All part of the plan.
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jailbreaking the OS isn't the issue.

the telecom protocol requires a valid IMEI.

there's an blacklist IMEI registry that all the telecom
providers reference.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412


IMEI can easily be spoofed
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



have you done it?

it can reprogrammed in firmware but I doubt it can be
spoofed. other products I've worked on have a two-key
system, you need the original encryption key to generate
the 2nd and the client only has a decoder.

yeah, it looks like you can do a hardware bypass,
so there's the check against the 2nd key always passes.

[link to www.firstpost.com (secure)]

you'd need some specialized hardware but probably
not that expensive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412


same way they mod a playstation bro
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



I know nothing about playstation but seen enough
discussion of the iphone now. there's no way you're
going to spoof it on the fly with just the IMEI.

the IMEI is being validated by a paired validation key.

if you change the IMEI, the validation fails.

there's a comment that expands on Apple specifics...

[link to security.stackexchange.com (secure)]

"modern iOS no longer uses NCK codes - the locking is enforced by the OS and it knows which networks it's locked on when it first talks to Apple during the "activation" procedure (where it gets credentials for notifications, FaceTime, etc). The configuration file is transmitted over TLS and is itself signed, so it's pretty hard to forge an "unlock" file"

so there's not even encryption specifics in the phone,
during setup the validation key is generated on Apple's
server so they can alter the algorithm if it's cracked,
and then it's written back into the firmware.


this is on a par with bitcoin as far as crackability.

if you have hardware access, you can rewrite the keyed
pairs from another phone but even that's going to be
an issue now if Apple is dynamically altering the
encryption algorithm on the fly, i.e. old pairs
get aged out against another key.

.



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i also heard the Amazon vans, USP truck and FedEx trucks were preloaded with tracking, as to why the doors were easily accessed to be opened. It was all bait.
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The JTTF will be tracking and tracing these fools for years.

All part of the plan.
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[link to www.tmz.com (secure)]

Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery.

Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights.

Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless.
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The looters will sell them to unsuspecting people for a big discount.....
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Apple must know their liberal base very very well
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Is anybody subscribed to AppleMusic? The irony is not lost on me that today they will not allow you to purchase any new music, only allowing you to listen to their Beats1 radio station with BlackLiveMatter virtue signalling messaging.

The song being played when I tuned in? Fuck Tha Police by NWA.
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mmm

pretty sure you can jailbreak them and reset them soooooo

lulz
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


No.

They have a hardcoded address that can be disable from telecom provider.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77895410


you ship them to Afghanistan, at that stage its someone elses problem

lol
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Lol
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mmm

pretty sure you can jailbreak them and reset them soooooo

lulz
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


No.

They have a hardcoded address that can be disable from telecom provider.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77895410


you ship them to Afghanistan, at that stage its someone elses problem

lol
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that's almost certainly true.

maybe can ship them to South America, Mexico, East Asia, too.

now I know why so many used phones are for sale in Asia.

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mmm

pretty sure you can jailbreak them and reset them soooooo

lulz
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Thing is the looter thugs probably don't have the know how on how to do that. If they did, they would probably have well paying jobs.
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Is anybody subscribed to AppleMusic? The irony is not lost on me that today they will not allow you to purchase any new music, only allowing you to listen to their Beats1 radio station with BlackLiveMatter virtue signalling messaging.

The song being played when I tuned in? Fuck Tha Police by NWA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78566178


Thank god spotify isn't doing this. They have some play lists on the home screen regarding blm, but you can still play your normal music. I might have to cancel my subscription and go back to piracy if they were pulling what apple is doing.
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mmm

pretty sure you can jailbreak them and reset them soooooo

lulz
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Yep. You will run into some issues when putting linux on them: mainly the trackpad. Other than that, and maybe a few keyboard issues, it works pretty good.
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but it still ghetto af
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well the people taking them wont know what the fuck to do to get them working. Sell an 800 dollar phone for 30 bucks to someone who does. who cares - its a free 30....
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well the people taking them wont know what the fuck to do to get them working. Sell an 800 dollar phone for 30 bucks to someone who does. who cares - its a free 30....
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[link to www.tmz.com (secure)]

Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery.

Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights.

Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190



they'll sell the iphones for parts on Ebay.

that's what happened to my last iPhone.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933412


Correction:

They will offer the devices on eBay as new or like new not disclosing they are stolen and many will suffer buyers remorse ...

If you are planning to purchase any electronic device off eBay make sure to do so from tenured sellers with a proven track record!!!

Be smart!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78767406


But when it turns out the device was stolen it would be fairly straight forward to track back to the sellers account wouldn’t it?
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Any legitimate seller should be willing to give you the IMEI or serial number of the device which you could then contact apple to confirm it's not stolen. If they wont provide that info move on to the next auction.
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[link to www.tmz.com (secure)]

Folks who looted the Apple Store at The Grove are in for a rude awakening ... they won't be able to use or pawn the stolen gadgets, thanks to some tech foresight and amateur thievery.

Here's the deal ... while looters probably thought they were getting away with grabbing an expensive toy off the showroom shelves at the Apple Store, they basically ended up with paperweights.

Our sources tell us ... the phones and laptops stolen from the Apple Store are demos, and they come equipped with special programs that prevent the products from being reset to factory settings, rendering them almost useless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932190


Linux USB .iso has entered the chat
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We are talking about people with an average IQ of 85 here.





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