How did NY pull out of the crime ridden 70s-80s

Mayor Giuliani was responsible for ridding NYC of much of its huge crime problem.

NYers know this is true.

They voted the criminals into office.

Lifelong NYer here.

Two words - Rudy Guliani

Not a perfect man for sure- but completely rescued mid town Manhattan from becoming pure hell.

Which Deblasio is now succeeding in reversing.

How exactly did he do it so dramatically? How long did it take? Seriously asking, I was too young to know what was going on back then.

Back in the 80s it was balanced everyone knew a basically good bit bent fence they wouldn't touch bad things llike drugs,guns ,more like music food,film dvd electrical stuff everyone knew dident report them they wus lovable rogues never harm you little helpers robin hoods

And Cuomo just let them out of Prison, Now NY is in ruins.



Last Edited by Slowly awakening on 06/03/2020 09:37 AM

Between Coronavirus and Riots

New York city will never recover from the damage Cuomo has caused.

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Republican leadership

To those NY lifers how does current NYC compare to back then? Do you think there is hope for recovery again?

Read a book called The tipping point


You can get it online for free.

Read "Freakonomics."

It makes an excellent case that a big reason for the drop in crime in the late 80's and early 90's was the legalization of abortion in 1971 (Roe v Wade). You simply had less 18-22 year olds running around committing crimes than you would have had otherwise.

Yeah....Giuliani. What they are NOT saying about hero mayor is that he got huge money increases as Disney and the rest of Corporate America swoll NYC coffers. More money=more cops. Disney literally owns most of times square.

Well said. I agree... I’m not all in for Giuliani by any means, but he did clean up NYC.

Amazing read. I would make all college freshmen read it if I could

Because they bused all the slime bag cunt criminals upstate. Thats when Albany, Schenectady, troy all became ghetto shit holes. Saw my town in the early 80s be safe as can be fast forward to the late 90s and you couldnt walk outside in the DAYTIME anymore. Now blocks of boarded up slums that were in the 80s perfect houses. White flight like a mother fucker when these criminals took over and started robbing and mugging.

Same Here - I lived there - He's a bit slimy but HE DID A GOOD JOB DURING HIS TERM

part of what happened was the prisons got moved away from NYC. after the flooding of 1972, communities needed $$ to recover from Hurricane Agnes. so the smaller cities took the prisons which ment $$.

as prisoners moved,so did their families.this moved the crime away from NYC. no longer would it be as safe elsewhere.Rochester, for instance, had high marks as being safe before the prisons moved. small rural towns have a higher % of black ppl as well.where there was pot smokers,there are much harder dugs being used,including meth.

ppl are more guarded and less friendly.not all crimes are reported as places try to downplay the reality. gun shots are heard and never make the news. poverty level has gone up. not only has housing changed from single family homes to apartments and low income complexes,roads are no longer maintained. towns are near bankrupcy before the recession.

of course the corruption of govern officials has come to the smaller cities as well. before tyhe CV outbreak,it was common to hear of a local politician or worker to be arrested and charged for theft of $$. commerce dept,library,fire dept,parent teacher clubs.etc.bout every 3 months another would hit the news.not all from 1 town. the corruption is widespread thru UPSTATE NY. HILLARY got away with it why shouldn't they? their families have the wealth even after the person goes to jail.

A combination of factors. Some addressed in Malcolm Gladwell’s “tipping point” but he is a bit too liberal in his explanation and some of it is “he inherited a drop of crime that was coming anyways”

Also

“Broken windows” policing, a police chief had a similar idea prior to Giuliani that may have served a small term but until Guliani branded it AND inhereited a movement in that direction already, criminals were moe fearless.

The thought process used to be “let the small fry go“ and focus time on the big fish... but instead “broken windows” policing looked to prosecute anyone that so much as broke a window or spray painted with the idea that the big fish needed minnows and the minnows sometimes knew things previously unexposed and they could follow the chain up to the big fish.

Also Giuliani won as a blue dog democrat.. Basically a republican that matched everything the democrats did except vowed to be tough on crime.

Unfortunately until crime got bad enough where babies and children had to be put to sleep in their bathtubs to protect them from stray bullets of drivebys as used to up until recently be the case in precincts in Chicago and Baltimore and Detroit where police have given up and gangs run the streets to such a degree that people know they needed major change, even the most far left republican (Blue dog democrat) may not be able to win. Bill Clinton was probably To the right of Giuliani as he was a blue dog democrat that due to the majority of republicans in house and congress couldn’t pass policies to the left and economically policies to the right got passed and crime bill to crack down on crack epidemic took place while the only thing to the political left he did was not go after Osama Bin Ladin aggressively enough. (Some say Osama was a CIA agent Tim Osman and was basically used to claim responsibility for anything that happened so when US needed a patsy or an excuse for military intervention in the Middle East they had it. I don’t know if that is true or how anyone would figure that out)

I’m speaking from an American left/right paradigm not from a European one which is different, (but not as different lately).

Back then Italians were also aggressively racially profiled until they could find the head of the mobs.

Cynically—with gun control comes sales of illegal firearms and rise of mobs, and with rise of mobs come mobsters willing to bribe a mayor to influence the way of policing to look the other way. That you can’t have organized crime without a complicit government. From that view Giuliani was either somewhat incorruptible or had bigger money from businesses looking to expand into the area and needed crime to come down to operate. Or perhaps he was even in his own sort of crime family and looked to monopolize crime between a single criminal enterprise that refuses to get involved with small time stuff to reduce putting civilians at lives And to boost the reputation while restoring the city, while actually profiting from an enterprise where all crime is done by police or those on “the take” and so there actually maybe isn’t lower crime

High crime always leads to poor economies and Business owners leaving and lack of new investment to create jobs. Bill Clinton’s crime Bill was linked to a successful econom as well..

Police force was everywhere

I grew up in Arkansas and my company threw me in the fire
and sent me to lower Manhattan for 30 days at a time.
Multiple times in 1998-2000. I was lost in the crowd.
Could not believe the rat race.

But I still had to work at night time to install servers at Switch sights.
Mainly 60 Hudson. And 111th 8 ave.

I remember police on every corner and always patrolling.
Grew up on a farm, I was amazed at the police force.
And never felt threatened.

cleanse your city of all poor minorities and suddenly most crime vanishes

"Stop and frisk" helped. And the :

The "broken window theory":

If you don't repair a simple broken window ,pretty soon people think "nobody cares" and more windows get broken; then arson and robberies increase. They started pursuing and prosecuting small crimes. Cleaned up the shithole times square(?)hookers and porn theatre's. Neighborhoods improved.and crimes overall dropped.
Then Liberals sued sayting "Stop and frisk "was racist!

Targeting young black men with "stop and frisk". Not PC, but it worked.

New York bounced back for two reasons: 1) the crack epidemic ended. All drug epidemics have a season, and a younger generation turned away from crack as their intoxicant of choice. 2) the economy BOOMED. Al Gore invented the internet, and investment in High Tech soared; the Soviet Union collapsed, creating a Peace Dividend for the Federal Government; outsourcing went from a slow drain of manufacturing jobs to the south, then Mexico, and finally to Asia, ruining the economies of small cities across the country, but benefiting the capital of finance and showering her inhabitants with cheaper consumer goods.

Rudy was smart enough to hand law-enforcement to his police commissioners, who used tactics developed by NYC detectives studying crime reports. Creating flying squads, the Finest swarmed high-crime areas with uniforms, moving quickly where the data led them, denying street dealers "save zones" to establish Stop and Cop drug markets. Mass Incarceration played a part, too, as the people were fed up with street violence and were happy to see the bad guys taken away. Rudy was (at the time) slammed for his 'quality of life' initiatives that rid us of the Squeegie Men wiping the dirty windshields of commuters sitting in traffic at the Lincoln Tunnel and pushing the homeless out of mid-town. He took a lot of heat for his war on the homeless (so cruel), but it helped with the tourist trade, especially as Disney erected a new theater to house The Lion King, and other investors pushed out the low-rent X-Rated movie houses. Real Estate mogul Donald Trump led the charge in renovating run-down spaces - today's Grand Hyatt at Grand Central Station was born out of a disgusting hotel, and after Trump Tower was raised on Fifth Avenue, AT&T built a new headquarters around the corner.