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Retired Marine Corps 4-star General John Allen: "We may be witnessing the beginning of the end of American democracy"
The slide of the United States into illiberalism may well have begun on June 1, 2020. Remember the date. It may well signal the beginning of the end of the American experiment.

The president of the United States stood in the Rose Garden of the White House on Monday, railed against weak governors and mayors who were not doing enough, in his mind, to control the unrest and the rioters in their cities, and threatened to deploy the U.S. military against American citizens. It was a stunning moment. But, in particular, it was notable for three important reasons.

First, Donald Trump expressed only the barest of condolences at the murder of George Floyd, but he also said nothing about the fundamental and underlying reasons for the unrest: systemic racism and inequality, a historic absence of respect, and a denial of justice

Second, Trump was clear he views those engaged in the unrest and criminal acts in these riots as terrorists, an enemy. He said so, ostensibly as justification to deploy the U.S. military to apply federal force—his “personal” force—against the riots. Indeed, the secretary of defense used the military term “battlespace” to describe American cities.


The governors have sufficient law enforcement capacity—and, if necessary, the combat power of the National Guard—to handle their respective crises. If not, they can ask for federal assistance. There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs—and, frankly, the U.S. military needs—is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president’s intent by descending on American citizens. This could wreck the high regard Americans have for their military, and much more.

Third, in a bid to create some appearance that he can empathize with those demonstrating peacefully in the streets, the president proclaimed himself the “ally of peaceful protesters.” But, at that very moment, just a few hundred feet away across Lafayette Park, fully equipped riot police and troops violently, and without provocation, set upon the peaceful demonstrators there, manhandling and beating many of them, employing flash-bangs, riot-control agents, and pepper spray throughout. These demonstrators had done nothing to warrant such an attack. Media who were watching over the scene craned their cameras to try to understand what had happened to justify this violence, until it became clear for all to see. The riot police had waded into these nonviolent American citizens—who were protesting massive social injustice—with the sole purpose of clearing the area around St. John’s Episcopal Church, on the other side of the park, so the self-proclaimed “ally of peaceful protesters,” Donald Trump, could pose there for a photo-op.

To even the casual observer, Monday was awful for the United States and its democracy. The president’s speech was calculated to project his abject and arbitrary power, but he failed to project any of the higher emotions or leadership desperately needed in every quarter of this nation during this dire moment. And while Monday was truly horrific, no one should have been surprised. Indeed, the moment was clarifying in so many ways.

So, what is to be done? At nearly the same moment that Americans were being beaten near the White House on behalf of their president, George Floyd’s brother Terrence Floyd visited the site of George’s murder. Overcome with grief and anger, he loudly upbraided the crowd for tarnishing his brother’s memory with violence and looting. And then he told Americans what to do: vote. “Educate yourselves,” he said, “there’s a lot of us.” So, while June 1 could easily be confused with a day of shame and peril if we listen to Donald Trump, if instead we listen to Terrence Floyd, it is a day of hope. So mark your calendars—this could be the beginning of the change of American democracy not to illiberalism, but to enlightenment. But it will have to come from the bottom up. For at the White House, there is no one home.

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Are you not republicans?
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
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American democracy?

The USA is a democratic republic.
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Democracy has made this mess.
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Are you not republicans?
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Most Republicans do not want an authoritarian despot to rule the United States using the iron fist of the military against Americans.

None of the military does. That’s why you see general after general opposing Trump’s moves.
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Democracy has made this mess.
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It seems to me that our democratic republic has done very well for the past 240 years, becoming the freest, the most powerful and the best country in the world for its citizens.

Until now. Now we do indeed have a mess. A serious mess.
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Are you not republicans?
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Most Republicans do not want an authoritarian despot to rule the United States using the iron fist of the military against Americans.

None of the military does. That’s why you see general after general opposing Trump’s moves.
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We need a civil war to wake up the right and clean house of all lefties
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The article leaves out the fact that both obama did the same thing.
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
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Lincoln did it and everyone thinks he's a big fucking hero
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
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So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
You can count on America to do the right thing after exhausting every other alternative."
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78113106


So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
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Only in Washington, which of course is not a state and Trump has authority. But he clearly made the threat to the states, although the military pushback may be what is preventing that from happening.
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Not a democracy.

We were a constitutional republic.

Since at least the aftermath (e.g, PA, DHS, etc.) of 9/11 we are some form of authoritarian oligarchy.

And the military not only has done nothing about the destruction of the constitutional republic (oath of allegiance), 9/11 was a military/intelligence command and control operation using some state of the art equipment - none of which Osama or Saddam or . . . had.
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78113106


So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
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Got a link verifying your claim that General Allen was caught doing espionage?
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
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So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
 Quoting: dodger007


Only in Washington, which of course is not a state and Trump has authority. But he clearly made the threat to the states, although the military pushback may be what is preventing that from happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78116860


What you call a “ threat” to the states is actually a promise to American citizens that if their weak incompetent governors cannot or will not secure their rights to life and security from violent domestic enemies, then Trump will use his authority to do so. In very plain words.

NYPD cops are begging Trump for help
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Not a democracy.

We were a constitutional republic.

Since at least the aftermath (e.g, PA, DHS, etc.) of 9/11 we are some form of authoritarian oligarchy.

And the military not only has done nothing about the destruction of the constitutional republic (oath of allegiance), 9/11 was a military/intelligence command and control operation using some state of the art equipment - none of which Osama or Saddam or . . . had.
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that is true we want the democracy to fall
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78113106


So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
 Quoting: dodger007


Only in Washington, which of course is not a state and Trump has authority. But he clearly made the threat to the states, although the military pushback may be what is preventing that from happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78116860


What you call a “ threat” to the states is actually a promise to American citizens that if their weak incompetent governors cannot or will not secure their rights to life and security from violent domestic enemies, then Trump will use his authority to do so. In very plain words.

NYPD cops are begging Trump for help
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clappa
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
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So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
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Got a link verifying your claim that General Allen was caught doing espionage?
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Do your own research
It all went on down in Tampa
Not sure he was actively giving up classified info as much as he and his staff were being duped at parties thrown by middle eastern ladies...

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Not a democracy.

We were a constitutional republic.

Since at least the aftermath (e.g, PA, DHS, etc.) of 9/11 we are some form of authoritarian oligarchy.

And the military not only has done nothing about the destruction of the constitutional republic (oath of allegiance), 9/11 was a military/intelligence command and control operation using some state of the art equipment - none of which Osama or Saddam or . . . had.
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Folks need to get their terminology correct. Ben Franklin responded to a woman after he and our other Founding Fathers emerged from historic vote among themselves when she asked him what was the result.

"A Republic, madam. If you can keep it." <paraphrasing but is the gist of his comment>
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Not a democracy.

We were a constitutional republic.

Since at least the aftermath (e.g, PA, DHS, etc.) of 9/11 we are some form of authoritarian oligarchy.

And the military not only has done nothing about the destruction of the constitutional republic (oath of allegiance), 9/11 was a military/intelligence command and control operation using some state of the art equipment - none of which Osama or Saddam or . . . had.
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that is true we want the democracy to fall
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That means you want our Constitution to fail, just like the CCP wants.
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Gen. Allen: “ There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs -- and, frankly, the U.S. military needs -- is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president's intent by descending on American citizens."

Read.those.words
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78113106


So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
 Quoting: dodger007


Got a link verifying your claim that General Allen was caught doing espionage?
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Do your own research
It all went on down in Tampa
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I did and can’t find anything about Allen being arrested for espionage.

You made the claim. Let’s see your backup.
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Someone very evil and abusive took every right I have away 9 years ago. They are using tech most aren't even capable of imagining to do so.

If they aren't stopped there isn't going to be any freedom left, even and especially inside of us.
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So where has this occurred exactly?
Governors who have not requested miitary troops...don’t have them.
Trump keeps encouraging them to use their National Guard
Will only use military option if citizens threatened by weak governors who refuse to act

Gen Allen is a cuck fool btw
As CENTCOM commander he was caught in a honeypot espionage scam set up by islamists
Only an islamist tool like obama would have let him retire
 Quoting: dodger007


Got a link verifying your claim that General Allen was caught doing espionage?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78116860


Do your own research
It all went on down in Tampa
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I did and can’t find anything about Allen being arrested for espionage.

You made the claim. Let’s see your backup.
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Don’t you love it when people post BS claims here and then when asked for a reference they always say “do your own research”?
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TRANSLATION: Give us another trillion in tax money, but for God's sake, don't ask us to do anything.
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Tocqueville said it would be the relations between whites and blacks that take down this country.

he was right.
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The United States of America has to exist as a democracy before it may be taken down.

FYI, we are supposed to be a constitutional republic.
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Democracy has made this mess.
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It seems to me that our democratic republic has done very well for the past 240 years, becoming the freest, the most powerful and the best country in the world for its citizens.

Until now. Now we do indeed have a mess. A serious mess.
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It did well until you let the U.S be taken over by a small cabal of certain (((money lenders))) who gained control of the money supply using a central bank and it's been downhill ever since. You were somewhat free before then.
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Gotta be honest, quit reading at "white privilege".
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We have an embedded fifth column communist problem which spans the entire local, state and national stratum. Devoted leftists sabotaging and subverting our culture at every level. There is only one solution for them which is the same as others outside their ideology. There can not be coexistence as the systems are polar opposites.





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