SOLUTIONS: Term limits, Bring back Glass-Steagall, No more lobbyists... what else? | |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well, no dual citizen politicians. (i guess that's what you mean) totally agree and will add to the list. Last Edited by Jay3 on 06/07/2020 10:47 AM . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Fluffy Pancakes
User ID: 77861117 United States 06/07/2020 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No more revolving doors between corporations and the heads of agencies, or even agency employment. No more corporations buying seats on research boards for federally funded colleges. I'd correct the no lobbying to no paid lobbyists and no politicians being allowed to be lobbyists. Also, votes should be counted and livestreamed with anyone who wants to view the counting being allowed to be in the room for the counts. Then pdf's of the vote as well as the counting of the precinct should be archived for citizens to review at their leisure. Also, no more insider trading shields for the f'ing politicians. Caps on the amount spent to run for office. No one should pay a million dollars to win a 35k seat, or 5 million to win a 175k seat. Debates for every level should be aired on public television and live stream. That's off the top of my head. Pretty sick of fraudulent actors. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
JJ Johns
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(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No more revolving doors between corporations and the heads of agencies, or even agency employment. Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes No more corporations buying seats on research boards for federally funded colleges. I'd correct the no lobbying to no paid lobbyists and no politicians being allowed to be lobbyists. Also, votes should be counted and livestreamed with anyone who wants to view the counting being allowed to be in the room for the counts. Then pdf's of the vote as well as the counting of the precinct should be archived for citizens to review at their leisure. Also, no more insider trading shields for the f'ing politicians. Caps on the amount spent to run for office. No one should pay a million dollars to win a 35k seat, or 5 million to win a 175k seat. Debates for every level should be aired on public television and live stream. That's off the top of my head. Pretty sick of fraudulent actors. thanks fluffy p. lots of great points! i listed your post in the list. Last Edited by Jay3 on 06/07/2020 10:59 AM . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78999333 United States 06/07/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Delivery-only Futures market. No options of any kind. No bailouts or too big to fail. No stock buybacks. No deficit-funded gov pensions. You get social security like the rest of us. Make social security NOT a Ponzi Scheme. Money is held is a name. No public sector unions. No largesse. No more than 1 person in a family is a gov employee. If mom or dad are, children cannot be. Hard-backed money. No more theft via inflation. No more fascism via gov-sponsored enterprises or public-private partnerships. Gov keeps the playing field level for commerce and does not participate in or manipulate it. No selective laws that favor or hinder businesses of any size or structure. Gov cannot own intellectual property. Private sector does that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79004565 United States 06/07/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we (myself very much included) tend to complain but not give any solutions. Quoting: JJ Johns what can be done to turn this bullshit around? off the tip of my head, i think a few major things that would really help, are: 1. term limits for all politicians. 2. bring back Glass-Steagall. clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act, which effectively neutralized Glass-Steagall by repealing key components of the act. for those that don't understand, and to generalize, this allowed crazy shit like GE to sell weapons while owning NBC, which promoted the wars they could sell weapons for. 3. Get rid of lobbyists. they are not looking out for us, only the interests of the corporations that hire them. yet, they push the politicians that are supposed to be working for we the people to do what they want, to our detriment. 4. paper ballots: no more black box voting. 5. No more dual citizen politicians. you can't serve two masters. Hat tip to Anonymous Coward 76028023 6. All of Fluffy Pancake's points below. there are more. but this was just a quick thought i had to post, and am sure many here can add to this list. why not fix this list up and start sending it to trump, and local politicians, as well as us it to educate. Perfect! Glass-Steagall is most likely the key. The proliferation of propaganda has become absolutely insane. 5 stars. |
JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Delivery-only Futures market. No options of any kind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78999333 No bailouts or too big to fail. No stock buybacks. No deficit-funded gov pensions. You get social security like the rest of us. Make social security NOT a Ponzi Scheme. Money is held is a name. No public sector unions. No largesse. No more than 1 person in a family is a gov employee. If mom or dad are, children cannot be. Hard-backed money. No more theft via inflation. No more fascism via gov-sponsored enterprises or public-private partnerships. Gov keeps the playing field level for commerce and does not participate in or manipulate it. No selective laws that favor or hinder businesses of any size or structure. Gov cannot own intellectual property. Private sector does that. thanks AC. many great points. i agree with most, but am unsure about the 1 person gov employee. this could be a double edged sword. ron paul rand paul... trump jr. (but not ivanka and jared). hard to say. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we (myself very much included) tend to complain but not give any solutions. Quoting: JJ Johns what can be done to turn this bullshit around? off the tip of my head, i think a few major things that would really help, are: 1. term limits for all politicians. 2. bring back Glass-Steagall. clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act, which effectively neutralized Glass-Steagall by repealing key components of the act. for those that don't understand, and to generalize, this allowed crazy shit like GE to sell weapons while owning NBC, which promoted the wars they could sell weapons for. 3. Get rid of lobbyists. they are not looking out for us, only the interests of the corporations that hire them. yet, they push the politicians that are supposed to be working for we the people to do what they want, to our detriment. 4. paper ballots: no more black box voting. 5. No more dual citizen politicians. you can't serve two masters. Hat tip to Anonymous Coward 76028023 6. All of Fluffy Pancake's points below. there are more. but this was just a quick thought i had to post, and am sure many here can add to this list. why not fix this list up and start sending it to trump, and local politicians, as well as us it to educate. Perfect! Glass-Steagall is most likely the key. The proliferation of propaganda has become absolutely insane. 5 stars. thanks. glass-steagall isn't just proliferation propaganda though. it is allowing the mega companies to dominate too many sides. if you own WAPO (bezos), you shouldn't be allowed to own a company that profits from what wapo drivels. Last Edited by Jay3 on 06/07/2020 11:15 AM . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum IQ requirements for all Federal elected positions. Must have a verified 3 digit IQ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79002578 calling hank johnson ... and mad max, and so many others to list here. very good point. may be difficult to enforce. Last Edited by Jay3 on 06/07/2020 11:18 AM . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79002578 United States 06/07/2020 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum IQ requirements for all Federal elected positions. Must have a verified 3 digit IQ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79002578 calling hank johnson ... and mad max, and so many others to list here. very good point. may be difficult to enforce. Simple to enforce. They have to pass 3 different IQ tests with a score of a 3 digit IQ or higher. That is a requirement before they can ever get on the ballot. 90% of blacks and 60% of women will not qualify at all for Federal elected positions. Huge improvement right there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76647789 United States 06/07/2020 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | get the news stations under control. report news as its heard and observed. no commentary, no opinions, no spin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76647789 add to this the break up of news outlet/company ownership. its reported that 6 companies own 90+% of news outlets/companies. news outlet/companies needs to owned by (dont know what the right number should be... needs some analysis) a much larger number of unaffiliated companies. |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | get the news stations under control. report news as its heard and observed. no commentary, no opinions, no spin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76647789 add to this the break up of news outlet/company ownership. its reported that 6 companies own 90+% of news outlets/companies. news outlet/companies needs to owned by (dont know what the right number should be... needs some analysis) a much larger number of unaffiliated companies. this is exactly related to glass-steagall, that bill clinton neutered, as mentioned in my op Last Edited by Jay3 on 06/07/2020 11:28 AM . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, ban all lawyers from Federal positions. They are trained liars and simply want to debate everything with lies and accomplish nothing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79002578 exactly. what part of 'shall not be infringed' dont they understand. i'm on the fence about this. the lawmakers should have a good grasp of how the law works. there are good and bad lawyers, just like there are good and bad everything... . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78996287 United States 06/07/2020 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No short selling of stocks using any government/Fed any borrowed money of any kind. Government must be allowed to look at both sets of "books". |
JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No stock buyback using any government/Fed any borrowed money of any kind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78996287 No short selling of stocks using any government/Fed any borrowed money of any kind. Government must be allowed to look at both sets of "books". and audit the fed! . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76647789 United States 06/07/2020 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | get the news stations under control. report news as its heard and observed. no commentary, no opinions, no spin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76647789 add to this the break up of news outlet/company ownership. its reported that 6 companies own 90+% of news outlets/companies. news outlet/companies needs to owned by (dont know what the right number should be... needs some analysis) a much larger number of unaffiliated companies. this is exactly related to glass-steagall, that bill clinton neutered, as mentioned in my op i didnt know glass steagall dealt with more than separation of commercial banking and investment banking [link to www.investopedia.com (secure)] |
Fluffy Pancakes
User ID: 77861117 United States 06/07/2020 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Definitely restore Glass Steagall. I meant to include that....derp. It's a huge issue in all of this. Five star thread, JJJ! Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78996287 United States 06/07/2020 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No stock buyback using any government/Fed any borrowed money of any kind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78996287 No short selling of stocks using any government/Fed any borrowed money of any kind. Government must be allowed to look at both sets of "books". and audit the fed! and audit the fed! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71594995 United States 06/07/2020 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you want to have a phony and fraudulent stock and bond markets, make it completely separate from the fiat/money we use to function. If it were up to me, I would get rid of it entirely. No more public inc companies. No more shareholders or dividend to be paid out. No more pirating and looting successful businesses that employ hundreds or thousands so a few rich fat cats can get their shekels an ocean away. Money isn't created out of thin air and tied to something that can't be inflated, like precious metals or a digital certificate on each and every fiat in circulation. no more printing trillions out of thin air and handing it out the oligarchs. make money, which is simply a store of our labor, unmovable. remove the ability of them being able to siphon off of our labor. I would even go so far as to make fiat confined to state boarders with a clearing house for barter/trade between states. Everything is produced stateside. If something needs to be brought in, something of equal value will need to be traded out for balance. I would burn our financial system to the ground. All it is is gambling and insider fraud while the rest of us sheep are getting scraps off of our masters table and thinking we are so clever. |
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JJ Johns
(OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 78883732 Switzerland 06/07/2020 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if you are going to do it, might as well take care of the entire infection instead of just trying to mask the symptoms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995 If you want to have a phony and fraudulent stock and bond markets, make it completely separate from the fiat/money we use to function. If it were up to me, I would get rid of it entirely. No more public inc companies. No more shareholders or dividend to be paid out. No more pirating and looting successful businesses that employ hundreds or thousands so a few rich fat cats can get their shekels an ocean away. Money isn't created out of thin air and tied to something that can't be inflated, like precious metals or a digital certificate on each and every fiat in circulation. no more printing trillions out of thin air and handing it out the oligarchs. make money, which is simply a store of our labor, unmovable. remove the ability of them being able to siphon off of our labor. I would even go so far as to make fiat confined to state boarders with a clearing house for barter/trade between states. Everything is produced stateside. If something needs to be brought in, something of equal value will need to be traded out for balance. I would burn our financial system to the ground. All it is is gambling and insider fraud while the rest of us sheep are getting scraps off of our masters table and thinking we are so clever. i think an easier way, inspired by your post is to bring back the gold back monetary standard. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
JJ Johns
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71594995 United States 06/07/2020 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if you are going to do it, might as well take care of the entire infection instead of just trying to mask the symptoms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995 If you want to have a phony and fraudulent stock and bond markets, make it completely separate from the fiat/money we use to function. If it were up to me, I would get rid of it entirely. No more public inc companies. No more shareholders or dividend to be paid out. No more pirating and looting successful businesses that employ hundreds or thousands so a few rich fat cats can get their shekels an ocean away. Money isn't created out of thin air and tied to something that can't be inflated, like precious metals or a digital certificate on each and every fiat in circulation. no more printing trillions out of thin air and handing it out the oligarchs. make money, which is simply a store of our labor, unmovable. remove the ability of them being able to siphon off of our labor. I would even go so far as to make fiat confined to state boarders with a clearing house for barter/trade between states. Everything is produced stateside. If something needs to be brought in, something of equal value will need to be traded out for balance. I would burn our financial system to the ground. All it is is gambling and insider fraud while the rest of us sheep are getting scraps off of our masters table and thinking we are so clever. i think an easier way, inspired by your post is to bring back the gold back monetary standard. I completely understand. But in today's age of digital everything..stocks and bonds are being used as currency. there is no fiat involved anymore, just 0's and 1's on a computer. So a company massively inflates their stock prices by buybacks or other schemes, and then converts that into fiat...what happens if there isn't fiat backed by gold available to be assigned to that trade? you have to create something out of thin air because the markets are not a zero sum game. If it were honest, for every dollar gained, another needs to be lost. Equal. If it isn't this way, money is being created out of thin air at that time. is this not the way it works? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78999333 United States 06/07/2020 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Delivery-only Futures market. No options of any kind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78999333 No bailouts or too big to fail. No stock buybacks. No deficit-funded gov pensions. You get social security like the rest of us. Make social security NOT a Ponzi Scheme. Money is held is a name. No public sector unions. No largesse. No more than 1 person in a family is a gov employee. If mom or dad are, children cannot be. Hard-backed money. No more theft via inflation. No more fascism via gov-sponsored enterprises or public-private partnerships. Gov keeps the playing field level for commerce and does not participate in or manipulate it. No selective laws that favor or hinder businesses of any size or structure. Gov cannot own intellectual property. Private sector does that. thanks AC. many great points. i agree with most, but am unsure about the 1 person gov employee. this could be a double edged sword. ron paul rand paul... trump jr. (but not ivanka and jared). hard to say. Applies to the bureaucracy. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are not gov employees. They are elected. They were chosen by the citizens and not self-chosen. Jared and Ivanka would not be allowed. |