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| Servant-of-the-LORD
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(OP) User ID: 79030647 United States06/14/2020 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The phrase "kingdom of God" occurs 69 times in 68 verses in the New Testament in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] ------------------------------------------------ The word "kingdom" 127 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] Out of those 127.... The phrase "kingdom of God" 54 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "kingdom of heaven" 32 times (ALL in Matthew) [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "my kingdom" - said by Jesus - 4 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] ------------------------------------------ The word "heavens" occurs 133 times in 127 verses in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The word "heaven" occurs 582 times in 550 verses in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "kingdom of heaven" occurs 32 times in 31 verses in the KJV - ALL in Matthew. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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(OP) User ID: 79030647 United States06/14/2020 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not saying the whole of New Jerusalem is the people. I submit that Christ and the church are the temple and the temple is in New Jerusalem. To say other wise would be to discount the words if Ezekiel, Christ, Paul, Peter, Etc. Quoting: Achduke7 In Luke the Kingdom of God is where God resides inside his temple. Just like home is where your family is. Otherwise it is just a house and not a home. We are the living tents/temples/tabernacles where God will dwell. Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Mat 23:21 "He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. Act 17:24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. So...when Father God spoke at Jesus' Baptism and the Transfiguration...He was speaking from "inside" the Apostles? NOPE. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
(OP) User ID: 79030647 United States06/14/2020 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Theological doctrine based on the verse Luke 17:21 of "inside you" is a classic example of this. Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD Thread: False Doctrines - The Danger of "Single Verse Doctrinal Theology" - Biblical Discernment - Peter is Satan / the Serpent? The Word inside in Luke 17:21 is based on the Greek Strongs 1787. entos def. within, inside, the inside, among This word was used twice in the NT. Matthew 23:26 and Luke 17:21. In the case of Matthew 23:26 it was speaking about cleaning the inside of the cup. Not being among the cup. Matthew 23 being a perfect example of the inside of the Cup not being Clean or a bad spirit. We should have God's Spirit in us. The Pharisees did not have the Spirit of God. Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. I daresay that "the kingdom of God is among us" is just as valid. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States06/14/2020 01:36 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not saying the whole of New Jerusalem is the people. I submit that Christ and the church are the temple and the temple is in New Jerusalem. To say other wise would be to discount the words if Ezekiel, Christ, Paul, Peter, Etc. Quoting: Achduke7 In Luke the Kingdom of God is where God resides inside his temple. Just like home is where your family is. Otherwise it is just a house and not a home. We are the living tents/temples/tabernacles where God will dwell. Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Mat 23:21 "He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. Act 17:24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. So...when Father God spoke at Jesus' Baptism and the Transfiguration...He was speaking from "inside" the Apostles? NOPE. No, The apostles did not have the Holy Spirit in them yet. This did not happen until Acts 2:1 1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 06/14/2020 01:37 PM Achduke |
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(OP) User ID: 79030647 United States06/14/2020 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if you do not believe the Bible, why are you even discussing it? This is what nonsense is. You proclaim nonsense and yet call yourself "servant of the LORD" and do not believe what the Bible says. Do you even know "the LORD", or "the Lord GOD" and why it is spelled both ways in the Bible? What is the difference between the two? Quoting: B4Birth You're mistaken. I fully BELIEVE what the Bible says. I DON'T believe oddball interpretations of things said. The supposition of "within you" would mean that when a person dies, their soul goes "inside" themselves. This is blatantly WRONG. Folks like you take a single verse about a topic like "the kingdom of God" and proclaim that it's the "be all / end all" of the subject. It isn't. The kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of heaven. I suggest that you go and read ALL the passages that use the phrases. "kingdom of God" in the 4 Gospels [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "kingdom of heaven" 32 times (ALL in Matthew) [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "my kingdom" - said by Jesus - 4 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] I do not know much about Urantia because I am a Christian. I have heard of it but I only know the Bible. the Bible says this: Quoting: B4Birth John 14:2. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Mansions are NOT planets. Says who? And by what authority do you speak? The authority of scripture dictates such. Where does scripture say that mansions are planets? It doesn't. New Jerusalem is 1500 miles square. LOT'S of room for MANSIONS. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
(OP) User ID: 79030647 United States06/14/2020 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not saying the whole of New Jerusalem is the people. I submit that Christ and the church are the temple and the temple is in New Jerusalem. To say other wise would be to discount the words if Ezekiel, Christ, Paul, Peter, Etc. Quoting: Achduke7 In Luke the Kingdom of God is where God resides inside his temple. Just like home is where your family is. Otherwise it is just a house and not a home. We are the living tents/temples/tabernacles where God will dwell. Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Mat 23:21 "He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. Act 17:24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. So...when Father God spoke at Jesus' Baptism and the Transfiguration...He was speaking from "inside" the Apostles? NOPE. No, The apostles did not have the Holy Spirit in them yet. This did not happen until Acts 2:1 1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. But would that mean that Father God COULD NOT "speak from heaven" AGAIN? Can't put the Father in a box. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States06/14/2020 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not saying the whole of New Jerusalem is the people. I submit that Christ and the church are the temple and the temple is in New Jerusalem. To say other wise would be to discount the words if Ezekiel, Christ, Paul, Peter, Etc. Quoting: Achduke7 In Luke the Kingdom of God is where God resides inside his temple. Just like home is where your family is. Otherwise it is just a house and not a home. We are the living tents/temples/tabernacles where God will dwell. Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Mat 23:21 "He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. Act 17:24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. So...when Father God spoke at Jesus' Baptism and the Transfiguration...He was speaking from "inside" the Apostles? NOPE. No, The apostles did not have the Holy Spirit in them yet. This did not happen until Acts 2:1 1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. But would that mean that Father God COULD NOT "speak from heaven" AGAIN? Can't put the Father in a box. God would not fit in a box. He is everywhere. The small physical temple Solomon built would not even fit him but yet he still visited there. Is it any small feat that he could visit us in his body temple? 1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? Achduke |
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(OP) User ID: 79030647 United States06/14/2020 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So...when Father God spoke at Jesus' Baptism and the Transfiguration...He was speaking from "inside" the Apostles? Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD NOPE. No, The apostles did not have the Holy Spirit in them yet. This did not happen until Acts 2:1 1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. But would that mean that Father God COULD NOT "speak from heaven" AGAIN? Can't put the Father in a box. God would not fit in a box. He is everywhere. The small physical temple Solomon built would not even fit him but yet he still visited there. Is it any small feat that he could visit us in his body temple? 1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? Would it not be reasonable to say then that "the kingdom of God" is actually ALL of creation? I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States06/14/2020 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Achduke7 No, The apostles did not have the Holy Spirit in them yet. This did not happen until Acts 2:1 1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. But would that mean that Father God COULD NOT "speak from heaven" AGAIN? Can't put the Father in a box. God would not fit in a box. He is everywhere. The small physical temple Solomon built would not even fit him but yet he still visited there. Is it any small feat that he could visit us in his body temple? 1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? Would it not be reasonable to say then that "the kingdom of God" is actually ALL of creation? It could be but I think Luke 17:21 was referring to God in us as HE is in Christ. Perhaps the Kingdom of God is where HE perceives HE is at the time since he is everywhere. I think it is more of a metaphor where when he will be tabernacling within us in New Jerusalem. Also it leaves a whole different perspective when Christ said, "That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? Last Edited by Achduke7 on 06/14/2020 02:21 PM Achduke |
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User ID: 78052081 United States06/14/2020 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, where is the "Seventh Heaven"? Are there seven heavens. Or are there even more than seven? Methinks you do not understand the subject nor the answers which would tie all these things together. These "answers" are all contained in the SEVEN TEMPLES IN HEAVEN. Each one of these temples have doors which open up in other dimensions and in other worlds. It is all in the Scriptures. ALL OF HEAVEN is connected to ALL OTHER PARTS OF HEAVEN. The Dead Sea Scrolls clearly tell of angels and men effortlessly moving from one reality to another and doing all that is necessary in the Heavenly Kingdom to rule the affairs of men and other beings throughout the universe. The thing that connects all things together (and they are not fully understood yet), is the quantum entanglement of intelligence throughout the universe. ALL of this entanglement is "within you". All of it was created with YOU in mind--and YOU are the object of all things Heavenly. The Scriptures PLAINLY show that when the THIRD TEMPLE is built and complete in God's eyes and in HIS plan for men--THAT IS THE MOMENT HE will choose to have HIS Seven Temples descend upon the Heavenly Temple and all of Heaven will be ruled from Earth. From Earth, all places in the universe will be available to us by way of the temple craft which are located throughout the inhabited universe. That 7000-year period (within entangled time), will fully realize its completion soon. The TRUTH is stranger than FICTION. |
| Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States06/14/2020 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, where is the "Seventh Heaven"? Are there seven heavens. Or are there even more than seven? Quoting: Zerubbabel Methinks you do not understand the subject nor the answers which would tie all these things together. These "answers" are all contained in the SEVEN TEMPLES IN HEAVEN. Each one of these temples have doors which open up in other dimensions and in other worlds. It is all in the Scriptures. ALL OF HEAVEN is connected to ALL OTHER PARTS OF HEAVEN. The Dead Sea Scrolls clearly tell of angels and men effortlessly moving from one reality to another and doing all that is necessary in the Heavenly Kingdom to rule the affairs of men and other beings throughout the universe. The thing that connects all things together (and they are not fully understood yet), is the quantum entanglement of intelligence throughout the universe. ALL of this entanglement is "within you". All of it was created with YOU in mind--and YOU are the object of all things Heavenly. The Scriptures PLAINLY show that when the THIRD TEMPLE is built and complete in God's eyes and in HIS plan for men--THAT IS THE MOMENT HE will choose to have HIS Seven Temples descend upon the Heavenly Temple and all of Heaven will be ruled from Earth. From Earth, all places in the universe will be available to us by way of the temple craft which are located throughout the inhabited universe. That 7000-year period (within entangled time), will fully realize its completion soon. Do you have bible scripture to back any of this up? Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79030089  United Kingdom06/14/2020 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other meaning is the great Mothership that is 500 miles round like a mountain and like a city, this is why 'on my holy mountain' and 'city gates into the kingdom of God' is the great mothership. Kingdom of Heavens is many Motherships each created by it own race and multi-diversity of races co-exist at everlasting peace. And if you think that the technology of video games is something, wait ‘til you see the technology of the universe! - Conversations With God Vol 3 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78052081 United States06/14/2020 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sure. Just look up Rachel Elior's descriptions of the Dead Sea Scrolls. That particular information is contained in chapter 30 (the only chapter found on the net). She clearly elucidates how angels and men had duties which took each into each others dimensions. It is quite eye-opening. She also speaks of the seven temples of God in Heaven and how each opens up in different parts of the Creation. Be ready to have your beliefs challenged. The whole world will be challenged in the end. |
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| Servant-of-the-LORD
(OP) User ID: 79032467 United States06/14/2020 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is double meaning, and those who suceed entering the Kingdom of God acquired eternal life for it own soul and partake with the Galaxy federation in higher dimensions above 3rd. Only those in 4th and higher dimensions can space travel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79030089 The other meaning is the great Mothership that is 500 miles round like a mountain and like a city, this is why 'on my holy mountain' and 'city gates into the kingdom of God' is the great mothership. Kingdom of Heavens is many Motherships each created by it own race and multi-diversity of races co-exist at everlasting peace. And if you think that the technology of video games is something, wait ‘til you see the technology of the universe! - Conversations With God Vol 3 "Galaxy federation"?  "mothership"? "Conversations with God" is suspect to say the least. Any supernatural entity could have participated in that. Especially satan. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 06/14/2020 09:25 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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(OP) User ID: 79032467 United States06/14/2020 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're mistaken. I fully BELIEVE what the Bible says. Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD I DON'T believe oddball interpretations of things said. The supposition of "within you" would mean that when a person dies, their soul goes "inside" themselves. This is blatantly WRONG. I did not ask you about the supposition of "within you". I quoted that Jesus said: Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. That verse needs no interpretation. Jesus simply just meant what He said and you called it Nonsense. Are you calling Jesus a liar. You can't call Jesus a liar and then say you "full BELIEVE what the Bible says". You were not debating my words or even any interpretation that I offered. Then you implied that I offered an interpretation which you call "oddball interpretations". Where is the interpretation that you are referring to? So that ONE verse supercedes ALL the other verses about the kingdom of God / the kingdom of heaven? You DO realize that Jesus was addressing the Pharisees at that point? You CANNOT make doctrine based on ONE VERSE. I only quoted the verse. Your questions make no sense, since I am not the author of the verse. Ask Him. Also Jesus knew who He was addressing and I have not made any doctrine and neither am I trying to make any doctrine. Where did I make a doctrine? What is your point here. Why are you asking pointless questions? Your supposition that the "kingdom of God" is ONLY "within you" is wrong. The phrase "kingdom of God" occurs 69 times in 68 verses in the New Testament in the KJV. Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] ------------------------------------------------ The word "kingdom" 127 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] Out of those 127.... The phrase "kingdom of God" 54 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "kingdom of heaven" 32 times (ALL in Matthew) [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "my kingdom" - said by Jesus - 4 times in the 4 Gospels - Matthew thru John. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] ------------------------------------------ The word "heavens" occurs 133 times in 127 verses in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The word "heaven" occurs 582 times in 550 verses in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The phrase "kingdom of heaven" occurs 32 times in 31 verses in the KJV - ALL in Matthew. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] And......... what are all these links suppose to mean? What doctrine are you trying to promote? Where are you going with all these links? What am I suppose to find out?. The links are so that you can GO and STUDY - like you should have to begin with. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 06/14/2020 10:19 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
(OP) User ID: 79032467 United States06/14/2020 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Bible Study - Is The Kingdom of Heaven / Kingdom of God ONLY "Within You"? I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
(OP) User ID: 79032467 United States06/14/2020 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? Go look at ALL the evidence. Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79030419 United States06/14/2020 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Psalm 139:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Acts 17:28 King James Version 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. |
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