John 6:4 Passover - Early Church Leaders Stated That Jesus Ministry Was About a Year - Bible History - Bible Study

Despite Gordon’s claims that he does not try to convert Messiah’s disciples to the Karaite religion, it’s been brought to my attention that Gordon actually runs an anti-missionary site. This makes Gordon’s letter ring hollow and deceptive.


He calls the cross an abomination

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What possessed you to post his anti-christ drivel? nevermind. I already know.

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John 5

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Therefore the Yews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

I'm not sure of your reasoning for posting this verse, but the word translated as broken is "Lao" in Greek

It is the Same word that YESHUA used when Lazurus came out of the Tomb.

He said to "Lao" the grave clothes

It doesn't mean that YESHUA did not keep the Sabbath, but that He Loosened the extra sabbath commandments that were added by the Religious Rulers

This is John's commentary and He says Plainly, that YESHUA declaring that God was His Father, they understood that He was claiming equality with God.

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IF you are NOT WILLING to "address the topic at hand"...then KINDLY LEAVE and post NO MORE.

It speaks for itself, he certainly didn't break anything.

IF you want to ARGUE about the relationship between the Father and His Son - KINDLY do it in the correct topic.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

IF you are NOT WILLING to "address the topic at hand"...then KINDLY LEAVE and post NO MORE.

I already addressed it, your source is anti-christ, what more needs to be said.

Nothing

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Your "opinion" means NOTHING to me.

And neither does the "blog link" that you posted.

You didn't even bother to listen to the video AND the EVIDENCE of what the early church fathers SAID about John 6:4.

Sorry...you HAD a chance to PRESENT a "scriptural / historical" argument.

YOU FAILED.

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the cross is a graven image...period

and dont get so upset and stop using the word "christ" its a title not a name
like saying mister
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call no man father

duh

This webpage has quotes by several Christian scholars over several centuries.

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You people who scream "antichrist" everytime someone can show that doctrines that YOU believe in aren't necessarily correct.

Nehemia Gordon is a SCHOLAR - one of several that worked on looking through ancient writings concerning John 6:4.

Some of them are listed on this webpage.


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Thank you for that link

The below passage is from....

Iranaeus, Adversus Haeresies Book 2, Chapter 22, Section 3

Notice that he is counting the "Passovers" from the Book of John - and that there is NO MENTION of John 6:4

It is very surprising how [the Valentinians] claim to have found the depths of God and have not searched the Gospels to see how often after his baptism the Lord went up to Jerusalem… and there celebrate the feast of *Passover*.

The first time he went up to the feast of the Passover was after he had made wine out of water in Cana of Galilee [John 2]…

After that he went up to Jerusalem for the feast of *Passover the second time*. At that time he healed the paralytic who had been lying beside the pool for thirty-eight years [John 5]…

Again he departed to the other side of Lake Tiberias [John 6:1], where, when a large crowd had followed him, he satisfied that entire multitude with five loaves of bread [John 6:2-14]…

Then it is written that six days before the day of the *Passover* he came to Bethany [John 12]. From Bethany he went up to Jerusalem and ate the pasch [John 13] and suffered on the following day [John 19].

Now, everyone will admit that these *three times of the Passover* do not make one year.

Iranaeus, Adversus Haeresies Book 2, Chapter 22, Section 3

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That is a good link - and it shows that MANY early church leaders / theologians believed that Jesus ministry was just over a year long.


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A short 4 minute video



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Interview with Dr. Miles Jones and discussion
about John 6:4 and a few other things.

Interview starts about the 14 minute mark.


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"Now, everyone will admit that these *three times of the Passover* do not make one year."

It wouldn't make "70 weeks" either, would it ? 3 Passovers would be at least 2 years, right ?

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John 6
6 After this Jesus set out across the Sea of Galilee, or Tiberias. 2 And a large crowd kept following him, because they were observing the miraculous signs he was performing in healing the sick. 3 So Jesus went up on a mountain and sat down there with his disciples. 4 Now the Passover, the festival of the )3ws, was near.

There's nothing here indicating he didn't go to Jerusalem after this for what would have been his 3rd Passover that had been so far mentioned in book of John, if you count-
John 5:1 After this there was a festival of the )3ws, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 5:1
"a festival of the )3ws":
Although John does not specify which festival is referred to, there are good reasons to conclude that it is the Passover of 31 C.E.
John’s account was generally in chronological order.
The context places this festival shortly after Jesus said that there were “yet four months before the harvest.” (Joh 4:35)

The harvest season, particularly the barley harvest, got under way about Passover time (Nisan 14).
So it seems that Jesus’ statement was made about four months before that, about the month of Chislev (November/December).

Two other festivals, the festivals of Dedication and of Purim, fell during the time period from Chislev to Nisan.

However, these festivals did not require an Israelite to go up to Jerusalem.
So in this context, the Passover seems to be the most likely “festival of the )3ws” that required Jesus to attend in Jerusalem according to God’s Law to Israel. (De 16:16)
It is true that John records only a few events before the next mention of the Passover (Joh 6:4), but a consideration of the chart in App. A7
[ )w.org NOTE ON JOHN 5:1 ]
shows that John’s account of Jesus’ early ministry was abbreviated, and many events already covered by the other three Gospel writers were not mentioned.

In fact, the great amount of activity of Jesus recorded in the other three Gospels lends weight to the conclusion that an annual Passover did indeed come between the events recorded at Joh 2:13 and those at Joh 6:4.....

That's part of the whole point - 3 Passovers don't are too much for 70 weeks AND not enough for 3+ years.

Baptism to Passover 1 - Weeks?
Passover 1 to Passover 2 - Year 1
Passover 2 to Passover 3 - Year 2
Passover 3 (death) to Pentecost - 50+ days / 7 weeks

That's only 2 full years and some weeks.
Remove the fake / inserted 2nd Passover and you
have 1 year + some weeks.

Did you listen to any of the videos?
Did you check the webpage link above?

I’m not even christian yet I’m aware your own bible makes clear he was baptized at age 30 and began his ministry, then killed at age 33 1/2.

That’s 3 1/2 years of shuffling around in sandals and hanging out with the drunks, brawlers, and hookers to try and save their sorry asses.

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Look up the vers that says...

..."the acceptable YEAR of the Lord".

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Scripture makes it clear His ministry lasted almost 3.5 year's. From the time he was baptized by John till His death on the Cross and resurrection.

The Isaiah prophecy adequately covers the last year if His ministry

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"The Seventy Week Ministry of Messiah - Bible Studies - FaithWriters"

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NONSENSE.

Several early church 'fathers' said differently.

Look it up.

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1. Baptism to Passover 1 - Weeks?

2. Passover 1 to Passover 2 - Year 1

3. Passover 2 to Passover 3 - Year 2

4. Passover 3 (death) to Pentecost - 50+ days / 7 weeks

That's only 2 full years and some weeks.
Remove the fake / inserted 2nd Passover and you
have 1 year + some weeks.

Did you listen to any of the videos?
Did you check the webpage link above?

I prefer the scriptures in regards to such issues.

the length of YAHshua' public ministry?

The Bible does not tell us the exact number of days YAHshua Christ served in public ministry. However, a close look at the chronological data revealed in the Gospels allows us to carefully reconstruct a timeline with a good degree of accuracy.

To begin, Luke noted that the ministry of John the Baptist began in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar's reign, which was the year AD 26. Jesus began to minister shortly after this time at approximately the age of 30 (or perhaps "early 30s"; Luke 3:23). His crucifixion took place in either AD 30 or 33, indicating that His public ministry took place within the AD 26—33 timeframe.

More specifically, scholars note that if YAHshua began His public ministry between mid to late AD 26 and died in the spring of AD 30, His ministry would have been a total of 3½ years (including His resurrection, 40 days of appearances, and ascension). Others who argue for the crucifixion taking place in AD 33 argue that YAHshua did not begin His ministry until AD 29, calculating the starting date of Tiberius Caesar's reign based upon the death of his predecessor Augustus Caesar in AD 14, meaning that the ministry of John the Baptist began in AD 29. In either case, a public ministry of about 3½ years is still the conclusion.

Further evidence for this length of time can also be found in the festivals. In John's Gospel, YAHshua attended at least three annual Passover feasts (John 2:13; 6:4; 11:55-57). At the shortest, His ministry would have been 2½ years. If one additional Passover occurred during this time, sometime between John 2 and 6, the information regarding 3½ years fits nicely.

In fact, this unmentioned Passover likely took place prior to the three occasions mentioned in John. By the time of the first Passover mentioned in John 2:13, YAHshua had already been baptized, spent 40 days being tempted in the wilderness, had started preaching in various towns and villages (Matthew 4:17), selected His first followers (John 1:35-51), performed His first miracle at Cana in Galilee (John 2:1-11), and traveled to Capernaum north of the Sea of Galilee (John 2:12). These efforts would have covered the course of several months, adding enough time to easily fit the 3½ years mentioned above.

Based on this information, the public ministry of YAHshua holds profound implications. In only about 1,200 days, Jesus gathered a small group of followers, taught crowds in a variety of towns, performed miracles, healed diseased, cast out evil spirits, and became such a "threat" to the religious leaders that they sought to put Him to death. After His resurrection, YAHshua appeared to many people over 40 days, preparing His followers to continue His mission to take the good news to "all nations" (Matthew 28:18-20) until His return

Several early church 'fathers' said differently.

Look it up.

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Scripture shows only 2 years and some weeks.

1. Baptism to Passover 1 - (Weeks?)

2. Passover 1 to Passover 2 - Year 1

3. Passover 2 to Passover 3 - Year 2

4. Passover 3 (death) to Pentecost - 50+ days / 7 weeks

That's only 2 full years and some weeks.

Remove the fake / inserted 2nd Passover and you
have 1 year + some weeks.