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The Reason Trump continued to build all the vents/respirators? Poll

 
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he got hoodwinked
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You think Trump does not know the Vents are almost useless for the virus victims?
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it does not take rocket science. ofc he knows. follow the money. its all about the money.
 Quoting: rewind


So it is a way for the companies to make much money . . . you think Trump wants GM to make a ton of cash on vents . . . is this a way to hire more American workers, etc.?
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I have not followed the details.. This biowarfare has pissed me off to no end. Here is what I think: Trump will not do anything that loses him money. Ok.

Most production is shut down we need some production. Some money needs generated .. so there you have it. It is greed and it is does not save lives. Maybe it will prolong actual dying. That is all. peace
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Cos its the first thing you'd wanna do

When u get to mars


Breath oxygen

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if it was about addictional oxygen it wouldnt be a respirator need. it has to be about damage to the airways not allowing normal breathing?

could it be dust storms?

just like idiocracy?
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Trump gets things done! He doesn't sit around and talk about it.

Ventilators have been an issue for decades...the same concern came up with H1N1 when obama was president.

Now, because of president Trump...it will never be a concern again (or atleast not for 100 years).
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Plausible, however, Trump does not spend this much without immediate causation and short term strategic benefits.
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if it was about addictional oxygen it wouldnt be a respirator need. it has to be about damage to the airways not allowing normal breathing?

could it be dust storms?

just like idiocracy?
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should have read additional not addictional
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Trump gets things done! He doesn't sit around and talk about it.

Ventilators have been an issue for decades...the same concern came up with H1N1 when obama was president.

Now, because of president Trump...it will never be a concern again (or atleast not for 100 years).
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Plausible, however, Trump does not spend this much without immediate causation and short term strategic benefits.
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do you think it was more about making sure these companies had an income during the pandemic?
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You think Trump does not know the Vents are almost useless for the virus victims?
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it does not take rocket science. ofc he knows. follow the money. its all about the money.
 Quoting: rewind


So it is a way for the companies to make much money . . . you think Trump wants GM to make a ton of cash on vents . . . is this a way to hire more American workers, etc.?
 Quoting: George B


I have not followed the details.. This biowarfare has pissed me off to no end. Here is what I think: Trump will not do anything that loses him money. Ok.

Most production is shut down we need some production. Some money needs generated .. so there you have it. It is greed and it is does not save lives. Maybe it will prolong actual dying. That is all. peace
 Quoting: rewind


Why prolong dying? He is a business man but hardly a sadist.
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Wrong.

First, a "respirator" is a device designed to protect the wearer from inhaling hazardous atmospheres, including
fumes, vapors, gases, airborne pathogens, and particulate matter. The public generally refers to them as "masks."

The Strategic National Stockpile should have BILLIONS stored away. Under 8 years of Obama, the stockpile was depleted but never restocked.

In the past decade, tens of BILLIONS of dollars were provided to the States for pandemic preparedness, including
their own supplies of respirators. Many states used that money for everything but pandemic preparedness.

What you are referring to are VENTILATORS.

We have more than 320 million people in this country.

While COVID-19 has thus far turned out to be far far less deadly than expected, public health experts,
virologists and epidemiologists worldwide expect far more deadly pathogens in the coming decade.

Many known diseases, including severe influenza, pneumonia, MERS, SARS, etc... can result in what is known
as ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome). This is where fluid builds up in the tiny, elastic air
sacs (alveoli) in your lungs. The fluid keeps your lungs from filling with enough air, which means less oxygen
reaches your bloodstream. This deprives your organs of the oxygen they need to function.

If we have a national supply of 200,000 ventilators, that is only 4,000 per state.

That means that there is potential for a lot more people to end up in the freezer trucks.

This is why we need to store up more ventilators.

Having a large stockpile also allow us to help other nations if things get really bad.

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Cos its the first thing you'd wanna do

When u get to mars


Breath oxygen

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There are much better and cost effective systems.
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if it was about addictional oxygen it wouldnt be a respirator need. it has to be about damage to the airways not allowing normal breathing?

could it be dust storms?

just like idiocracy?
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I don’t think dust storms are that bad and regular masks with oxygen supplemented would work for that.
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it does not take rocket science. ofc he knows. follow the money. its all about the money.
 Quoting: rewind


So it is a way for the companies to make much money . . . you think Trump wants GM to make a ton of cash on vents . . . is this a way to hire more American workers, etc.?
 Quoting: George B


I have not followed the details.. This biowarfare has pissed me off to no end. Here is what I think: Trump will not do anything that loses him money. Ok.

Most production is shut down we need some production. Some money needs generated .. so there you have it. It is greed and it is does not save lives. Maybe it will prolong actual dying. That is all. peace
 Quoting: rewind


Why prolong dying? He is a business man but hardly a sadist.
 Quoting: George B


he is not a dr but a business man. dude makes money
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Wrong.

First, a "respirator" is a device designed to protect the wearer from inhaling hazardous atmospheres, including
fumes, vapors, gases, airborne pathogens, and particulate matter. The public generally refers to them as "masks."

The Strategic National Stockpile should have BILLIONS stored away. Under 8 years of Obama, the stockpile was depleted but never restocked.

In the past decade, tens of BILLIONS of dollars were provided to the States for pandemic preparedness, including
their own supplies of respirators. Many states used that money for everything but pandemic preparedness.

What you are referring to are VENTILATORS.

We have more than 320 million people in this country.

While COVID-19 has thus far turned out to be far far less deadly than expected, public health experts,
virologists and epidemiologists worldwide expect far more deadly pathogens in the coming decade.

Many known diseases, including severe influenza, pneumonia, MERS, SARS, etc... can result in what is known
as ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome).

If we have a national supply of 200,000 ventilators, that is only 4,000 per state.

That means that there is potential for a lot more people to end up in the freezer trucks.

This is why we need to store up more ventilators.

Having a large stockpile also allow us to help other nations if things get really bad.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass

Ventilators, you are correct. Thanks. As you said. Seems the present pathogen is showing us vents are not effective except in a very few cases. It has been my experience that few people placed on vents ever get off them. The exception are young, healthy people with acute conditions.
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Rushed GOV contract with no out in the case they are not needed.

They will turn em out till the order is filled, no cancellations since it was kinda do it or else.
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So it is a way for the companies to make much money . . . you think Trump wants GM to make a ton of cash on vents . . . is this a way to hire more American workers, etc.?
 Quoting: George B


I have not followed the details.. This biowarfare has pissed me off to no end. Here is what I think: Trump will not do anything that loses him money. Ok.

Most production is shut down we need some production. Some money needs generated .. so there you have it. It is greed and it is does not save lives. Maybe it will prolong actual dying. That is all. peace
 Quoting: rewind


Why prolong dying? He is a business man but hardly a sadist.
 Quoting: George B


he is not a dr but a business man. dude makes money
 Quoting: rewind

Sure. However, he does not waste money for silly reasons. Nor is he a stone cold killer.
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Rushed GOV contract with no out in the case they are not needed.

They will turn em out till the order is filled, no cancellations since it was kinda do it or else.
 Quoting: bhdz71


There is some merit in what you say. However, me thinks Trump has larger motives.
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Re: The Reason Trump continued to build all the vents/respirators? Poll
Wrong.

First, a "respirator" is a device designed to protect the wearer from inhaling hazardous atmospheres, including
fumes, vapors, gases, airborne pathogens, and particulate matter. The public generally refers to them as "masks."

The Strategic National Stockpile should have BILLIONS stored away. Under 8 years of Obama, the stockpile was depleted but never restocked.

In the past decade, tens of BILLIONS of dollars were provided to the States for pandemic preparedness, including
their own supplies of respirators. Many states used that money for everything but pandemic preparedness.

What you are referring to are VENTILATORS.

We have more than 320 million people in this country.

While COVID-19 has thus far turned out to be far far less deadly than expected, public health experts,
virologists and epidemiologists worldwide expect far more deadly pathogens in the coming decade.

Many known diseases, including severe influenza, pneumonia, MERS, SARS, etc... can result in what is known
as ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome). This is where fluid builds up in the tiny, elastic air
sacs (alveoli) in your lungs. The fluid keeps your lungs from filling with enough air, which means less oxygen
reaches your bloodstream. This deprives your organs of the oxygen they need to function.

If we have a national supply of 200,000 ventilators, that is only 4,000 per state.

That means that there is potential for a lot more people to end up in the freezer trucks.

This is why we need to store up more ventilators.

Having a large stockpile also allow us to help other nations if things get really bad.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


The
“What to Know
Typically, a ventilator is a a device used to maintain artificial breathing or circulate fresh air, while a respirator is a mask used to protect the wearer from particulates in the air. Note that historically, respirator has been confused with ventilator often enough that it has a secondary definition similar to that of ventilator.”

[link to www.merriam-webster.com (secure)]

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Rushed GOV contract with no out in the case they are not needed.

They will turn em out till the order is filled, no cancellations since it was kinda do it or else.
 Quoting: bhdz71


There is some merit in what you say. However, me thinks Trump has larger motives.
 Quoting: George B


It may be a mix of oops, we missed some fine print but it's cool cause the stockpile was low to begin with.

I don't like all he's done related to covid but if the price was fair let em produce all ordered and give him the due credit.

All comes out in the wash as some say.
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Rushed GOV contract with no out in the case they are not needed.

They will turn em out till the order is filled, no cancellations since it was kinda do it or else.
 Quoting: bhdz71


There is some merit in what you say. However, me thinks Trump has larger motives.
 Quoting: George B


It may be a mix of oops, we missed some fine print but it's cool cause the stockpile was low to begin with.

I don't like all he's done related to covid but if the price was fair let em produce all ordered and give him the due credit.

All comes out in the wash as some say.
 Quoting: bhdz71


What would have done differently?
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It's code
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we can sell them. They are supposed to be high quality. Maybe we will be the new #1 vent makers in the world.
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It's code
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????
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we can sell them. They are supposed to be high quality. Maybe we will be the new #1 vent makers in the world.
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Sure, why would they need them? The vents are as much a killer as a helper in most cases.
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It's code
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????
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Ventilating means something else during war. Trump has said we are at war. Ford bult ventilators too in 1943.
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we can sell them. They are supposed to be high quality. Maybe we will be the new #1 vent makers in the world.
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Sure, why would they need them? The vents are as much a killer as a helper in most cases.
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Why do they need them lol? All hospitals needs respirators, maybe not for covid.
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we can sell them. They are supposed to be high quality. Maybe we will be the new #1 vent makers in the world.
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Sure, why would they need them? The vents are as much a killer as a helper in most cases.
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Why do they need them lol? All hospitals needs respirators, maybe not for covid.
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I meant vents. They are used in operations.
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It's code
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????
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Ventilating means something else during war. Trump has said we are at war. Ford bult ventilators too in 1943.
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Hmmmm, could you clarify further. Not sure I understand. Gas masks?
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we can sell them. They are supposed to be high quality. Maybe we will be the new #1 vent makers in the world.
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Sure, why would they need them? The vents are as much a killer as a helper in most cases.
 Quoting: George B


Why do they need them lol? All hospitals needs respirators, maybe not for covid.
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I meant vents. They are used in operations.
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They already have enough. They don’t need to maintain equipment they don’t use.
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I have not followed the details.. This biowarfare has pissed me off to no end. Here is what I think: Trump will not do anything that loses him money. Ok.

Most production is shut down we need some production. Some money needs generated .. so there you have it. It is greed and it is does not save lives. Maybe it will prolong actual dying. That is all. peace
 Quoting: rewind


Why prolong dying? He is a business man but hardly a sadist.
 Quoting: George B


he is not a dr but a business man. dude makes money
 Quoting: rewind

Sure. However, he does not waste money for silly reasons. Nor is he a stone cold killer.
 Quoting: George B


agreed. I can only apply a method of deduction. he does not and is not. peace
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It's code
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????
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Ventilating means something else during war. Trump has said we are at war. Ford bult ventilators too in 1943.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Hmmmm, could you clarify further. Not sure I understand. Gas masks?
 Quoting: George B


Look up "ventilate" on urbandictionary.
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????
 Quoting: George B


Ventilating means something else during war. Trump has said we are at war. Ford bult ventilators too in 1943.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Hmmmm, could you clarify further. Not sure I understand. Gas masks?
 Quoting: George B


Look up "ventilate" on urbandictionary.
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So in the context of the public discussion about vents Trump is implying the violent demise of person or persons. Hmmmm., he has an infinite number of ways to accomplish the same coms with out using this discussion. Possible but not likely. At least in my opinion.
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