The Rapture & the Battle For Your soul.

A little arogant OP.

Beautiful OP

Thank you

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Yes well I expect that you and your pals will be busy running around trying to convince people that we where taken by space aliens or something,
to try and explain things away. But it wont matter to us because we wont be here.

People like you are living proof of the old sayings that misery loves company.

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

I thought that they were angels but much to my surprise we climbed aboard a starship and headed for the skies.

I will give my testimony.

It’s a no brainer.

Do you know what you call a post trib rapture? It’s called a resurrection.

No joke.

If Jesus had to carry the cross, what makes us any better that we can just escape the tribulation? We have to carry our cross as well.

Go back to my first post and read what it says, weather you believe in the promise that we where given or not, is in the end up to you. But be aware that many many millions who have died in Christ over the last nearly 2,000 years have suffered either hardly any or only mild persecution. Although obviously many millions have suffered a great deal, it is not 'written in stone' that we all will.' Things will be as the Lord wills.

Rapture means bliss, ecstasy, joy.

The rapture you talk about was made up by some dude in 1800s.

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It's NOT about that and YOU know it. It's about the TRUTH of scripture.

Ironic that Revelation doesn't mention the "vials of wrath" until Chapter 15.

Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Tribulation IS NOT wrath.

I would think that in most peoples minds the two words are pretty much interchangeable. You always seem to deliberately overlook the fact that the Bible was written to bring the truth to simple men and women. All you are doing is using clever lawyers tricks, combined with an authoritive air, it all sounds good at first hearing. But as always with your neigh saying words they collapse into dust.

What does it mean to perish? We are not of this world. Why worry about our perishable bodies? Worry that you would be with God in the end. Even the sinners have perishable bodies. The sinners perish in the lake of fire. Why be worldly?

Rev 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 07/10/2020 08:08 AM

See how these verses are ALL the same event. They compare what Paul said to what Jesus said.

1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

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2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

I've told you several times that it is dishonest to just take a few words of a passage/sentence which have a meaning that is different to what the whole passage says. Why cannot you just admit that the passage directly supports the Rapture instead of just playing cheap word games.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

One of the purposes of keeping you around with your insane drivel is so that other readers can judge who is being truthful and who is being dishonest.

And so Isaiah 57:1 over-rules everything Jesus and and Apostles said about the End Times???



WHY do you suppose the Seven Vials of Wrath are specifically NAMED as such??? To distinguish them FROM tribulation.

Deuteronomy 4

30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;

31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

languaging systems are important ....


Church languaging doesn't resonate to the level of arriving at rapture ....

However Wingmakers POETRY .... Reminds me of Rapture

It is the most profound languaging system with a map to arrive


.................. RAPTURE ................

Chamber 16

Signals to Her Heart

Out where the ocean beats its calm thunder
against grainy shores of quartz and sand,
she strolls, hands pocketed in a flowing gown
of pearl-like luminance.
I can see her with hair the color of sky's deepest night
when it whispers to the sun's widow
to masquerade as the sickle's light.

So this is she.
The only one who knows me as I am
though untouched is my skin.
The world from which she steps pounces from mystery,
announces her calm purity
like a willow tree bent to still waters.

In this unhurt place she takes her body
to the shoreline listening for sounds beneath the waves
that tell her what to do.
How great is her love?
Will it take her across the sea to me?
Does she hear my heart's voice before the translation?

She scoops some sand with her ivory hands and
like an hourglass the particles fall having borrowed time
for a chance to touch her beauty.
Her lips move with prayers of grace as she tells
the wind her story;
even the clouds gather overhead to listen.
Her gestures multiply my love with the sign of infinity,
disentangled from all calculations,
adorning her face with a poetry of tears.

I am unsummoned though I hear her voice
so clear it startles me.
I watch her because I can.
I know her because she is me.
I love her because she is not me.

In all my movement, in the vast search
for something that will replace me,
I have found her on this shoreline, her faint footprints,
signatures of perfection that embarrass time with their fleeting nature.
I am like the cave behind her watching from darkness,
hollowed from tortured waves
into a vault that yearns to say what she cannot resist.
A language so pure it releases itself
from my mouth like long-held captives
finally ushered to their home;
jubilant gods dancing away from sorrow's reach.

She turns her head and looks past me as if I were a ghost unseen,
yet I know she sees my deepest light.
I know the ocean is no boundary to her love.
She is waiting for the final path to my heart to become clear.
And I am waiting for something deep inside
to take my empty hands and fill them with her face
so I can know the rehearsals were numbered,
and all the splinters were signals to her heart.




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So yet again if a passage in the Bible goes against your lying construct, then just throw it out.
As I said at the start of this thread "The Lord is not the author of confusion."

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Last Edited by Judethz on 07/11/2020 10:25 AM

The passage is not for or against the Rapture.

Noah was taken away.
Lot was taken away.
Israel was taken away from Egypt.
The woman of Rev 12 taken away.


None of these people were raptured. The harpazo is part of meeting Christ at the 2nd cominng.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 07/11/2020 02:33 PM

Oh yes it is, it states quite clearly "that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."

But don't worry! If you and your pals want to miss the Rapture because of your hardened hearts, no ones stopping you.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

As you say "Tribulation is from enemies of God." Which to most people means pretty much the same as the phrase "from the evil to come." So basically you are just splitting hairs.

I have never said that tribulation is bad, that's just you trying to put words into my mouth.

The cheap accusations of cowardness are quite uncalled for. Personally I'd say that the numerous Satanic attacks on people preaching about the Rapture are definably a form of persecution. It ain't all just physical you know. And as I've said before people suffer various degrees of persecution, sometimes very little. But all that is in the hands of the Lord, all we can do is pray that He will help us through whatever is to be our lot.

We have been promised quite clearly that those who are in right standing with the Lord will escape the Great Tribulation/Time of Jacob's Troubles. If you refuse to read and accept the Bible as it is written then that's your problem not mine.

And finally another point for all of us to consider. There are probably about a billion (1,000,000,000) or so infants, toddlers and young children on the earth at this moment. WHAT ABOUT THEM? I don't know about you but this is something that has been at the back of my mind for quite some time now.

It's real, but it's not as it is written.

The bible is metaphoric, but there is much comfort to many people to be found in Christian faith. As for rapture, there are many of us waiting for different versions of that. All or our lives, waiting and being shown and guided to see the next step. Good thread nonetheless. That being said, people around us need us, so keep interceding for everyone all the time. In other words there is still work to be done.

Does that mean that what the Bible says about Israel is metaphoric also?

The kings and events were ancient Israel. Yes it is.

Also Israel is awakened human, its not a religion or a race. Gentile would apply to those not waking up.

Egyptian kings and Sumar.

And the bible itself tells you over and over again that its metaphoric.

The first and early Christians were gnostic, and they didn't concur.

Those who cemented the Church, the Romans, weren't the good guys, and they still aren't.

Jacob named the city he found God in penial.

When I woke up and saw within the bible its meanings, it was after praying Matthew 13, for my eyes and ears to be opened.

We're all waiting.

My family witnessed the signs in the sky years ago and my mother prays daily for what could be called rapture.

It just that the metaphor for rapture is alien abduction and already been there done that.

We want the new earth, the upgraded new earth. Thats what we want. And it not a political fight between left and right. Its freeing everyone.

Now here is the thing, not arguing with anyone's faith, unless its to harm women and children like other extreme religions. I am a Christian and pray daily as well. But not a fundamental one, guided within. But all my life from Catholic and taken to Church by grandparents, to protestant for years when my sons were young, to escaping the churches when some of the inner dark echlens were exposed, the satanic sacrifices alot of them are doing.

Christianity is the way back home. Its the way back home metaphorically if a person is guided to gnostic, and its the way back home literally if a person follows in the footsteps of Christ, because he is the way back home.

And your threads seem to rile up others. Whether people agree, they're still good threads.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 07/12/2020 10:36 AM

"Overcome" / "overconeth" / "endure" / "endureth" = SURVIVAL TO THE END.

"Alive AND REMAIN".

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: