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How to determine when the 2 witnesses die and the beginning of the tribulation starts

 
waterman

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How to determine when the 2 witnesses die and the beginning of the tribulation starts
When Jesus came the first time he fulfilled the 3 spring feasts Passover...unleavened bread..firtstfruites...then came pentecost which was the church being conceived





fallfeasts

When Jesus comes back the second time he will fulfill the fall feasts Feast of trumpets....Day of Atonement....and Feast of tabernacles. To fulfill the feast days Jesus would have to return at the end of the tribulation with the saints on the Day of Atonement...so we just back up 1260 days from the day of atonement because we know the tribulation/70th week lasts 2 sets of 1260 days or 7 years...so back up from the day of atonement 1260 days and you will come to passover week/death of the two witnesses..then from there you back up 1260 more days and you can determine when the 70th week/testimony of the two witnesses begins.

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Another mystery we have to understand is Jacobs trouble is 3 years prior to the 70th week/7 year tribulation as the purpose of jacobs trouble is to gather the lost 10 tribes and bring them through a furnace of affliction to purify and make once again a holy people the amount of time that takes is 1150 days according to daniel 9. So we subtract 1150 days from the beginning of the 70th week and you will come out with the beginning of Feast of trumpets





1150 days = 3.150685 years



Revelation 2:10:....the ten days in this verse is meaning 10 years:



10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Here is an example of what the 10 years would look like if we start on the Day of atonement 2030

October 7 2030 Day of atonement then back up 1260 days and you have April 26 2027 passover week and the death of the 2 wintesses...then back up 1260 more days for the beginning of the 70th week/7year trib which is November 13 2023...then back up 1150 days the time of jacobs trouble and we come to September 19 2020 which is Feast of Trumpets this year for the beginning of Jacobs trouble

Now if the bride is leaving before Jacobs trouble as the bride isn't appointed to wrath the leaves around 82 days for the last day the bride has to leave before Jacobs trouble begins


If you haven't figured it out yet the United States is Jacob the land of milk and honey....and Jacobs trouble is the destruction of the united states and the gathering of the lost 10 tribes/northern kingdom

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Re: How to determine when the 2 witnesses die and the beginning of the tribulation starts
"When the first day of the 7-year Trib period (i.e., Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9:27) begins, it is then that the Two Witnesses appear; their ministry begins on Day 1 of the Trib period, and ends on Day 1,260, when the Antichrist commits the Abomination of Desolation and goes out to murder them.

Now, when you see the impossibility of the time of the Two Witnesses' ministry being in the second half, thus requiring that it be in the first half, you can see the evidence for the Rapture showing clearly as Pre-Trib. Think about it for a moment. The Church of Jesus Christ is commanded to be Jesus' witnesses. (Acts 1:8) Why would God put into operation these two spectacular witnesses to bear witness of Jesus Christ, if the Church were still on Earth to do that job as it has for the past 2,000 years?"



"It is important to note that in doing the miracles of Moses and Elijah, the Two Witnesses represent the testimony of the two authorities acknowledged by the sons of Israel, the Law and the Prophets. When giving "The Golden Rule," Jesus referenced that same authority the people knew when He said, "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12) When Jesus had taken Peter, James and John to the Mount of Transfiguration, they met Moses and Elijah, who epitomize the Law (Moses) and the Prophets (Elijah). (Luke 9:20) When Jesus rebuked the scoffing Pharisees, again He spoke of the Law and the Prophets. (Luke 16:14-16) Also, after His resurrection, Jesus appeared to two disciples on the road to Emmaus, and taught them about Himself out of the Law and the Prophets. (Luke 24:25-27)

During the Tribulation, the sons of Israel will be seeing, with their own eyes, the Two Witnesses performing the miracles of Moses and Elijah, and will be hearing, with their own ears, the testimony of those two authorities, representing the Law and the Prophets, preaching Jesus Christ.

At the end of their ministry, on Day 1,260, the Antichrist goes into the temple of God and commits the Abomination of Desolation. Then the words of Jesus become terribly clear:

"Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains." (Matthew 24:15-16)

The Antichrist slays the Two Witnesses, and the Trib period now begins its second half. The Antichrist then goes after God's people in a massive persecution that will permit no worship except to him. It says in Scripture of this time (i.e., the second half of the Trib):

"I kept looking, and that horn [i.e., Antichrist] was waging war with the saints and overpowering them." (Daniel 7:21)

"...and they will be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time." (Daniel 7:25b)

"There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him." (Revelation 13:5)

"It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him." (Revelation 13:7)

His reign is supreme during the second half. With the committing of the Abomination of Desolation, he proceeds forth to force people to submit to him, via the infamous 666 mark, or be beheaded. (Revelation 13:15; Revelation 20:4)


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More interesting compilation of Pentecost being a summer feast


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When Jesus came the first time he fulfilled the 3 spring feasts Passover...unleavened bread..firtstfruites...then came pentecost which was the church being conceived

fallfeasts

When Jesus comes back the second time he will fulfill the fall feasts Feast of trumpets....Day of Atonement....and Feast of tabernacles. To fulfill the feast days Jesus would have to return at the end of the tribulation with the saints on the Day of Atonement...so we just back up 1260 days from the day of atonement because we know the tribulation/70th week lasts 2 sets of 1260 days or 7 years...so back up from the day of atonement 1260 days and you will come to passover week/death of the two witnesses..then from there you back up 1260 more days and you can determine when the 70th week/testimony of the two witnesses begins.
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You are correct but; Tribulation does not begin until the last half of the 7 years. The first half is called "the beginning of sorrows".
Take notice how the order goes:
> beginning of sorrows.
> then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted.

Matt 24:6-9 (KJV)
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Tribulation begins when the daily sacrifice is taken away. Tribulation continues for 1,290 days when the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION occurs. THEN, is GREAT TRIBULATION scheduled for 45 days, then Yeshua Messiah returns and puts down the rebellion on His earth. The 45 days are actually shortened (Yeshua returns a bit earlier than scheduled).

Matt 24:22 (KJV)
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The only way for the Father to save any flesh alive is to step in a bit early. This is why NO MAN SHALL KNOW THE DAY NOR HOUR, not even the angels of God, but the Father only.

Matt 25:13 (KJV)
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

The Elect are those who have found God's truth and WALK IN IT.

Rev 14:1-5 (KJV)
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Daniel 12: the foundational timing is spelled out clearly:

Dan 12:9-12 (KJV)
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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Re: How to determine when the 2 witnesses die and the beginning of the tribulation starts
Look for the day when the DumbMasses.. send gifts to one another (FOR THE LAST TIME EVER) It starts then with a (Thank you..but No thank you ) 12.0 parting (RETURN) earthquake gift
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Re: How to determine when the 2 witnesses die and the beginning of the tribulation starts
the 2 witnesses prophesy during the tribulation period. Absolutely.

They are killed, and then the 7th trump sounds. The 7th trump is like Yom Teruah, the day of blasting/shouting.
Then the return of Messiah.
It looks like the death of the 2 witnesses precedes the abomination of desolation. Otherwise, how does the supposed king of the world declare himself as god with the 2 prophets bringing plagues who proclaim The Most High God YeHoVaH will setup His kingdom very soon.

Since the timing is already established and written for our understanding in Daniel 12, use it as the reference for your other studies.



This verse gives a major clue as to when in this timeline do the 2 lampstands prophesy...

Rev 11:1-2 (KJV)
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

This establishes that just prior to their ministry beginning, Jerusalem is divided by the so called: 2 state solution, and the continual offering (daily sacrifice) being taken away/disallowed/stopped.

The courtyard

G833 αὐλή aule (av-lee') n.
1. a yard (as open to the wind).

is given unto the gentiles???
for 42 months, 1260 days.

This is referring to the western wall complex where The Most High placed his name (YeHoVaHShalom) and left a place for him to receive glory and honor and a place to offer spiritual sacrifices.
It is about 1/2 mile INSIDE the palestinian side of the border. According to decades of negotiations and still firmly held today, the palestinian authority will not negotiate on the border that was setup 70 years ago by Herr Rotshild.

Check it out on google maps, about 2000 feet inside the border line.

Time will tell. When we see the KOTEL restricted and gentiles trampling there, where they hadn't before, and will only do so for 1260 days.

I believe that wall will come down before Messiah returns.
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They don't die because they are already dead ie they are over, that is why they were exiled to East Of Eden



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2 witnesses are in the middle of the tribulation. I dont plan to be here.





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