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Pandemic caused 18 percent rise in deaths in US: study

 
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Pandemic caused 18 percent rise in deaths in US: study
The coronavirus pandemic in the US claimed at least 122,000 more lives than would be expected in a normal year, for a rise of 18 percent, says a study released Wednesday.

But this is just a national average, and the excess death rate was particularly high in virus hot spots such as New York City, which buried three times more people than usual and up to seven times as many during the peak of the pandemic, according to a week by week study carried out at Yale University and published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine.

In New York City, the expected deaths under a demographic model based on statistics from previous years would be 13,000 from March 1 through the end of May. But this time the number of deaths recorded was 38,170.

What is more, throughout the first phase of the pandemic in the US the official COVID-19 death toll was widely underestimated, the statistics in this study show.


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Fake there is no virus.
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Fake there is no virus.
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epiclol
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Increase in suicides most likely.
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who cares. People die, we will all die one day and I will not give an inch of my fuckin freedom to gain a second more of life.

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who cares. People die, we will all die one day and I will not give an inch of my fuckin freedom to gain a second more of live.
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How about Africa and Asia? How come USA population is a fraction of the ASIA population, but deaths are much higher here than in there?
Oh, yeah, because Asian countries are all commies already.

This is NOT about the virus!
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Increase in suicides most likely.
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Or heart attacks from the fear and stress of being "locked down" and watching your job go away.
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the hysterical medical response of putting people on ventilators killed them.


any all-cause mortality rate increase will also include the myriad untraceable but real effects of the havoc the Scamdemic wrought on the world.
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I'm waiting to compare "deaths from all causes" 2020 to 2019 and 2018.
I've gotten a lot of red for telling the truth and being right. Just sayin'
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Fake there is no virus.
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epiclol
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Oh look, it's everyone's favorite Three-letter-agency virus shill promoting fake studies with fallacious unscientific metrics.

Hey CIA shill, please tell the people exactly how many controlled studies have proven the 'virus' is capable of expelling itself from a live person's orifices, floating through the air, infecting a sample, observed the virus attack the cells, reproduce itself, and induce pathogenic symptoms.

Surely you can find some, right? Surely you're not pumping foreign junk science that relies on fraudulent PCR and 'antibody' testing and can find a study in which an actual virus was physically observed in an electron microscope attacking a cell structure and replicating.

Can you find one? Or are you going to keep pasting fake studies out of foreign countries that use spurious metrics and prove absolutely nothing?
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Fake there is no virus.
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epiclol
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Oh look, it's everyone's favorite Three-letter-agency virus shill promoting fake studies with fallacious unscientific metrics.

Hey CIA shill, please tell the people exactly how many controlled studies have proven the 'virus' is capable of expelling itself from a live person's orifices, floating through the air, infecting a sample, observed the virus attack the cells, reproduce itself, and induce pathogenic symptoms.

Surely you can find some, right? Surely you're not pumping foreign junk science that relies on fraudulent PCR and 'antibody' testing and can find a study in which an actual virus was physically observed in an electron microscope attacking a cell structure and replicating.

Can you find one? Or are you going to keep pasting fake studies out of foreign countries that use spurious metrics and prove absolutely nothing?
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Reporting has been so dishonest and agenda driven, there is no way to make an accurate study
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Reporting has been so dishonest and agenda driven, there is no way to make an accurate study
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Then let's just fucking party then!

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Re: Pandemic caused 18 percent rise in deaths in US: study
the hysterical medical response of putting people on ventilators killed them.


any all-cause mortality rate increase will also include the myriad untraceable but real effects of the havoc the Scamdemic wrought on the world.
 Quoting: beeches


CLAPPA


Now that is the REAL pandemic. These scumbags are mudering the elderly by putting them on ventilators that have a 98% KILL RATE.

Anyone that thinks any 'treatment' that has a 98% DEATH RATE should be used as a 'medical treatment' is a eugenicist.

Thread: The VENTILATORS are KILLING people - Study proves the more ventilators, the more DEAD
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the hysterical medical response of putting people on ventilators killed them.


any all-cause mortality rate increase will also include the myriad untraceable but real effects of the havoc the Scamdemic wrought on the world.
 Quoting: beeches


CLAPPA


Now that is the REAL pandemic. These scumbags are mudering the elderly by putting them on ventilators that have a 98% KILL RATE.

Anyone that thinks any 'treatment' that has a 98% DEATH RATE should be used as a 'medical treatment' is a eugenicist.

Thread: The VENTILATORS are KILLING people - Study proves the more ventilators, the more DEAD
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Valid point!
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Re: Pandemic caused 18 percent rise in deaths in US: study
the hysterical medical response of putting people on ventilators killed them.


any all-cause mortality rate increase will also include the myriad untraceable but real effects of the havoc the Scamdemic wrought on the world.
 Quoting: beeches


CLAPPA


Now that is the REAL pandemic. These scumbags are mudering the elderly by putting them on ventilators that have a 98% KILL RATE.

Anyone that thinks any 'treatment' that has a 98% DEATH RATE should be used as a 'medical treatment' is a eugenicist.

Thread: The VENTILATORS are KILLING people - Study proves the more ventilators, the more DEAD
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First you put them on a ventilator, then you give them morphine for the pain (which also suppresses breathing.)

The end.
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MEDICAL MALPRACTICE DEATHS ROSE 18%
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The coronavirus pandemic in the US claimed at least 122,000 more lives than would be expected in a normal year, for a rise of 18 percent, says a study released Wednesday.

But this is just a national average, and the excess death rate was particularly high in virus hot spots such as New York City, which buried three times more people than usual and up to seven times as many during the peak of the pandemic, according to a week by week study carried out at Yale University and published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine.

In New York City, the expected deaths under a demographic model based on statistics from previous years would be 13,000 from March 1 through the end of May. But this time the number of deaths recorded was 38,170.

What is more, throughout the first phase of the pandemic in the US the official COVID-19 death toll was widely underestimated, the statistics in this study show.


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This is all bullshit and people need to wake the hell up.
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the hysterical medical response of putting people on ventilators killed them.


any all-cause mortality rate increase will also include the myriad untraceable but real effects of the havoc the Scamdemic wrought on the world.
 Quoting: beeches


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BANE ALL THE VEGETABLES!!
98% of all deaths attributed to the COVID 19 virus occurred in those who had eaten at least one vegetable in the previous 24 hours!

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Fake there is no virus.
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There is.

Its a computer virus.

All it generates are words on a screen.


100,000 dead people.

How the fuck do you KNOW they are dead?

The screen told you.

And like screen worshipping tards you fall for it.

They have the tech to MAKE ANY REPORT..VID..EVENT they want to.

They put it on a screen.

And you helieve it.

Why?

Cause its ON A FUCKING SCREEN.

Did anyone SEE THESE 100,000 PEOPLE DIE?

DID YOU?

NO?

THATS RIGHT...THE FUCKING SCREEN TOLD YOU.

SCREEN IS GOD.
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That's absurd.



Source/Link is "France 24."

France 24 is a French state-owned international news television network based in Paris.

It is aimed at a worldwide market and is generally broadcast by pay television providers around the world, but additionally, in 2010, France 24 began broadcasting online through its own iPhone and Android apps.
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This is Bull Shit. I guarantee overall deaths are down since this started.
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This is Bull Shit. I guarantee overall deaths are down since this started.
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yep
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Wait until we start starving to death.
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This study is a perfect example of "false dilemma" logic being used, although the term for it in this case is different but the idea is the same.

A) More 122K more lives were lost this year.

B) There was a pandemic this year.

Conclusion: The pandemic caused 122K more lives to be lost.

The problem is that without all sort of controls and inclusion of all variables (which is near impossible to even know what they are let alone account for them), you can't say, "Because A, then B."

So I am glad you brought up the "false dilemma" thread and the purported study together to give a fantastic example of how the media and its hysteria-driven headlines, as well as the self-serving "study community" are driving home their narrative to justify their continued existence.

It's even better that you just let these two concepts stand on their own without describing your intentions to GLP, thus giving the appearance that you were implying something completely different than you actually did. Bravo, five stars.



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source is france24 dot com?

cruise

Current CDC statistics have us @ 96% of the "expected" deaths in a normal year.


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This study is a perfect example of "false dilemma" logic being used, although the term for it in this case is different but the idea is the same.

A) More 122K more lives were lost this year.

B) There was a pandemic this year.

Conclusion: The pandemic caused 122K more lives to be lost.

The problem is that without all sort of controls and inclusion of all variables (which is near impossible to even know what they are let alone account for them), you can't say, "Because A, then B."

So I am glad you brought up the "false dilemma" thread and the purported study together to give a fantastic example of how the media and its hysteria-driven headlines, as well as the self-serving "study community" are driving home their narrative to justify their continued existence.

It's even better that you just let these two concepts stand on their own without describing your intentions to GLP, thus giving the appearance that you were implying something completely different than you actually did. Bravo, five stars.



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Bro, second paragraph:

But this is just a national average, and the excess death rate was particularly high in virus hot spots such as New York City, which buried three times more people than usual and up to seven times as many during the peak of the pandemic, according to a week by week study carried out at Yale University and published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine.
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BS!

Data won't be reliable or available for at least a year after the calendar date.

Per capita, death in 2020 is the same or similar as 2019, says my funeral home director neighbor. He keeps tabs on 'death' volume. CDC will post the numbers next year.





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