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Great empires fall when they lack the ability to maintain their own complexity.

 
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
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empires fall when nobody gives a fuck anymore
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Yeah I guess the cycle includes an outside force that controls all your media and finances and that doesnt influence the outcome at all, lol wake up, its a controlled demolition of America
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Some can see.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Yeah. Some can see.

In spite of it all. Or maybe BECAUSE of it.

And the louder their howls of protests become, and the more desperate their attempts to silence us, the more obvious the truth will be.
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Yes
zzcat

who says Schrodinger's cat is even in the box
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
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good god you moron

the rest of the world will blosson in the freedom from the tyranny of America

it is true they might not be as advanced for awhile. it will take them generations to learn to build their own cars, or planes or advanced machines but for first time in history their country will get sabotaged by America

some of them may have civil wars but eventually they might figure out how to produce plenty of what poeple need to live and be happy for everyone


that is why wars will cease, it won't be because of the artificial scarcity created by globalist capitalist grifters for profit

then again they would obviously destroy the world before they allowed humans to be free and happy, as we can see with the new COVID religion of self destruction
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Actually, apathy, nepotism, corruption always are the leading indicators. America has been on this path since 1955 when the Bolsheviks came over by the boat load from Europe, Russia.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


I have been saying this for years. You cannot dissect a living organism into its functions independent of the bodily structure without killing the organism in the process. This is high entropy in a closed societal system.
Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and when he is troubled he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All.

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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
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good god you moron

the rest of the world will blosson in the freedom from the tyranny of America

it is true they might not be as advanced for awhile. it will take them generations to learn to build their own cars, or planes or advanced machines but for first time in history their country will get sabotaged by America

some of them may have civil wars but eventually they might figure out how to produce plenty of what poeple need to live and be happy for everyone


that is why wars will cease, it won't be because of the artificial scarcity created by globalist capitalist grifters for profit

then again they would obviously destroy the world before they allowed humans to be free and happy, as we can see with the new COVID religion of self destruction
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You idiot, who is going to protect the countries neighboring CCP? How about those neighboring Russia?
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Orwell wrote that societies fall for one of two reasons (or both simultaneously):

A) “They become cowardly and liberal,” and doubt their own leadership’s rights to domination
Or/And
B) “They become excessively rigid and conservative,” unable to see and change properly with changing times.

This was in the “Book within a book” in “1984.” One of the party’s great secrets to strength was said to be its understanding the need to avoid both outcomes.
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You're forgetting that 400 years ago our ancestors were the outsiders who came here and destroyed the nations that were here before us. It's the nature of man to migrate and conquer other nations.
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There was no nation in north america, them natives can hardly wipe their own ass never mind set up an actual nation with laws and standards
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You're forgetting that 400 years ago our ancestors were the outsiders who came here and destroyed the nations that were here before us. It's the nature of man to migrate and conquer other nations.
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There was no nation in north america, them natives can hardly wipe their own ass never mind set up an actual nation with laws and standards
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Actually from what I have read they showed up in the 1500s to trade tea kettles for fur and ended up unwittingly infecting the natives with smallpox and other European diseases the native Americans had no resistance to. By the time the next wave of Euros showed up in the early 1600s, 90% of the natives in the East were dead and it was mostly empty country.

This is the east of the North American continent. Things played out differently in South America, where there was by all accounts more mass slaughter by the Spanish/Portuguese and the fall of the mesoamerican and inca civilizations.
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You're forgetting that 400 years ago our ancestors were the outsiders who came here and destroyed the nations that were here before us. It's the nature of man to migrate and conquer other nations.
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There was no nation in north america, them natives can hardly wipe their own ass never mind set up an actual nation with laws and standards
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Franklin and the Iroquois Foundations of the Constitution

"The Iroquois Confederacy had been a functioning democracy for centuries by Franklin’s day. Sometime between 1000 and 1450, the Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, and Seneca Nations came together to become the Iroquois Confederacy, and in the early 18th century they were joined by the Tuscaroras. Referred to as the Six Nations by the English, and the Iroquois by the French, the Confederacy called themselves the Haudenosaunee, or “People Building a Long House.”

"Under the Iroquois Constitution, known as the Great Binding Law or Great Law of Peace, each nation elected delegates, or sachems, who dealt with internal
affairs. The Confederacy’s Grand Council met to discuss matters of common concern, such as war, peace, and treaty-making. Though the Council could not interfere with the internal affairs of each tribe, unity for mutual defense was a central concept. The oral tradition of the Great Law uses the imagery of a bundle of five arrows tied together to symbolize the complete union of the nations and the unbroken strength that such unity imparts."

"The Great Law also provided that policies would be thoroughly debated. First the Mohawks and Senecas, or Older Brothers, debated, and when they reached consensus, the Oneida and Cayuga, or Younger Brothers, debated. If the two “houses” disagreed, the Onondaga could cast the deciding vote. If the two houses agreed, the Onondaga would implement the unanimous decision, unless they disagreed with the decision and referred the matter back to the Council. If the Council again agreed upon their decision, the Onondaga were overruled. With its two houses and the veto power of a quasi-executive branch, this system was similar to the bicameral legislature and executive branch later found in our state and federal governments."

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You're forgetting that 400 years ago our ancestors were the outsiders who came here and destroyed the nations that were here before us. It's the nature of man to migrate and conquer other nations.
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I'm a quarter native American, I probably get it more than you do.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


One should not make assumptions about another's diverse ethnicity. My blood has been here for more than 400 years.

We went on for 18 pages plus last night in another one of your threads that feeds the division. It was brought up that everyone shares blame in where we have come to. "No ones hands are clean."

Why continue to feed that division when we could be coming up with solutions? If you continue to feed it you become the thing you hate.
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Excessive (s)tate debt rots empires from the top down to the direct degree equal to the debt load itself.

Infinite Debt™ = Infinite Oblivion


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Zero exceptions - ever - in all of known, and as yet unknown, human history.
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hesright

ARGENTINA = RICHEST COUNTRY OF AMERICAN CONTINENT ONLY USA WAS BETTER than us


some secret societies TOOK OVER AND GAVE US DEBT INTO OBLIVION

now we are financial shithole with european -like city buenos aires
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Empires fall during grand solar minimums. Lots of cold cloudy weather, flooding, failed crops, starvation, disease and mass migration to the deep pockets of the empire cities.
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Excessive (s)tate debt rots empires from the top down to the direct degree equal to the debt load itself.

Infinite Debt™ = Infinite Oblivion


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Zero exceptions - ever - in all of known, and as yet unknown, human history.
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk



hesright

ARGENTINA = RICHEST COUNTRY OF AMERICAN CONTINENT ONLY USA WAS BETTER than us


some secret societies TOOK OVER AND GAVE US DEBT INTO OBLIVION

now we are financial shithole with european -like city buenos aires
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I often think of Argentina when I contemplate the past and future several decades of Japan. From the world’s second-largest economy and highest stock market in 1992 to...what? By 2030, what kind of conditions? A slave of China? A decaying and depopulated urban wasteland? Already more than twice the debt-to-GDP ratio of the US, ranging into the quadrillion-yen sphere. Old people and debt, old people and debt.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


I think it was J.D. Unwin who said (paraphrasing) that great civilizations can choose to either display great discipline and creativity or can choose sexual "freedom", but they can't do both for more than a few generations.

What we are witnessing in America was inevitable. It's what happens to all late stage empires. The strategies used to control the subject peoples comes back to its center to deconstruct, plow, and plunder its own citizens in a last act to grab whatever is left. The elites will mostly win inside the US. They will strip mine what is left - the US is nearly a dried out husk. But in the long run they will not prevent the continued decline of the US and West. They will not be able to defeat, neutralize, or subdue the coalescing multifarious East. The US is busy eating itself. Except for a nuclear war that ends everything the Freemason Empire is done.
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You have to wonder if anyone from the top is here reading this site. I'm sure they are.. and if they know what's coming but are really powerless to do anything because they can't possibly control the actions of everyone...
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You have to wonder if anyone from the top is here reading this site. I'm sure they are.. and if they know what's coming but are really powerless to do anything because they can't possibly control the actions of everyone...
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There is no single steering wheel, no grand conspiracy. The top of the pyramid remains flat, with a few hungry power blocks at each other’s throats. There is no NWO: just several, maybe a dozen at most, would-be NWO architects stabbing each other in the back, rising and falling.
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Reminds me of Borders Books. I remember when it was one store on State Street in Ann Arbor. Then Waldenbooks bought it and they expanded, and expanded, and stripped their inventory, ground what was unique to Borders down to the lowest common denominator, and poof! it collapsed under it's own weight.

Morons.

I really miss Borders. Back when it was one store. On State Street.
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I play a game, when I'm bored, Rome: Total War, and you build your cities that you conquer, and spends tons of money building them up, sewers, aquducts, libraries, things like that.

Any way, after many years the cities rebel against you, where it hits a boiling point.

Then, the only way to win is to pull all your forces out of the city and let it burn, occasionally having to face a rebel army first, then you move back in and take over what's left and rebuild.

That s what I think is happening here, but in a carefully managed way.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Yeah if this was rome total war I would do a huge troop build up. Pull the garrison out of rioting cities and lay siege. Then after the cities rebel,5a retake it and exterminate the populace!
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You're forgetting that 400 years ago our ancestors were the outsiders who came here and destroyed the nations that were here before us. It's the nature of man to migrate and conquer other nations.
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I'm a quarter native American, I probably get it more than you do.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


5 dollar Indian!
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You have to wonder if anyone from the top is here reading this site. I'm sure they are.. and if they know what's coming but are really powerless to do anything because they can't possibly control the actions of everyone...
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Considering the use case of GLP; I'd say so.

The world is a different place for the "elite" than the common person, they see things differently.

The common person is bound by factors they don't understand, from home market bias to sentimental feelings about people and places.

There's really only one difference between the "elite" and ordinary people. That difference is freedom; real freedom... Freedom which is granted by a lack of attachment to things, people or other non transferable items.

When you have a house is Nice, Singapore or Boston. You quickly realize that people are generally the same everywhere you go and with commonalities you can integrate with any society with simply using their language or interpreters.

Nationalists believe in the exceptionalism of their nation as being the cause of their success, whereas globalists know the game of Empire has graced the nationalist's nation and the trade of the Empire greatly inflated the nation's coffers.

Empires are like a woman. You can never permanently own the woman, you can simply enjoy her while she is yours.

The globalist's freedom to vacate a nation for a new nation, means their adaptability in maintaining their status of privilege in the Empire remains theirs.

The wealthy Romans left Rome for Spain, the wealthy Spaniards went to Portugal. The wealthy Portuguese left for England and the wealthy English left for or had subsidiaries in America.
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China Empire news is just full of death-they don't care about
their own and treat foreign nations even worse

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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Bullshit. We have a small group of powerful people orchestrating this.


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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Bullshit. We have a small group of powerful people orchestrating this.


dowager
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Newton is full of bullshit lol

Glad you realized it.
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All could have been avoided by having never uttered the words “Diversity is our strength. “.

It is decidedly not. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Unfettered immigration and multiculturalism brought us down in a matter of 60 years.
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it's the porn , stupid
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Porn is one of the most subtle of weapons.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~

Freedom without responsibility is the recipe for the fall of a man or a nation.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


I think it was J.D. Unwin who said (paraphrasing) that great civilizations can choose to either display great discipline and creativity or can choose sexual "freedom", but they can't do both for more than a few generations.

What we are witnessing in America was inevitable. It's what happens to all late stage empires. The strategies used to control the subject peoples comes back to its center to deconstruct, plow, and plunder its own citizens in a last act to grab whatever is left. The elites will mostly win inside the US. They will strip mine what is left - the US is nearly a dried out husk. But in the long run they will not prevent the continued decline of the US and West. They will not be able to defeat, neutralize, or subdue the coalescing multifarious East. The US is busy eating itself. Except for a nuclear war that ends everything the Freemason Empire is done.
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Bingo!!





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