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Great empires fall when they lack the ability to maintain their own complexity.

 
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I read this article earlier on the far right site America:
[link to www.amerika.org]
When a civilization defeats its initial challenges, it begins declining unless it establishes another goal and starts driving out the excess prole population. Its goal now needs to be intangible, so it needs a transcendent goal, or one based on the appreciation of the wisdom of the natural order.”
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You have to wonder if anyone from the top is here reading this site. I'm sure they are.. and if they know what's coming but are really powerless to do anything because they can't possibly control the actions of everyone...
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Considering the use case of GLP; I'd say so.

The world is a different place for the "elite" than the common person, they see things differently.

The common person is bound by factors they don't understand, from home market bias to sentimental feelings about people and places.

There's really only one difference between the "elite" and ordinary people. That difference is freedom; real freedom... Freedom which is granted by a lack of attachment to things, people or other non transferable items.

When you have a house is Nice, Singapore or Boston. You quickly realize that people are generally the same everywhere you go and with commonalities you can integrate with any society with simply using their language or interpreters.

Nationalists believe in the exceptionalism of their nation as being the cause of their success, whereas globalists know the game of Empire has graced the nationalist's nation and the trade of the Empire greatly inflated the nation's coffers.

Empires are like a woman. You can never permanently own the woman, you can simply enjoy her while she is yours.

The globalist's freedom to vacate a nation for a new nation, means their adaptability in maintaining their status of privilege in the Empire remains theirs.

The wealthy Romans left Rome for Spain, the wealthy Spaniards went to Portugal. The wealthy Portuguese left for England and the wealthy English left for or had subsidiaries in America.
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The rich are free from their possessions?

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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Yeah I guess the cycle includes an outside force that controls all your media and finances and that doesnt influence the outcome at all, lol wake up, its a controlled demolition of America
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^^^THIS^^^

The dual-citizens/congressmen who gave us the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965. And their finaciers/kinsmen that snuck through the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
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USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~



I'm all about freedom and liberty but.....This is what happens when you allow a society to prosper that thinks only of itself while continually making excuses for it's failures and laziness. Bring back high school/vocational job training programs. Educate not indoctrinate. We must squash this rebellion and make all of those responsible legally and financially responsible for repayment of every grain of sand disturbed by this nonsensical bowel movement. If that means that we lose an entire generation to the correctional facilities then so be it. But, they must all repay this nation for the damage that they've created. So should the msm, social media and everyone else supporting this.
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
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All govts around the world are responsible for the same thing because they all serve the same master. We just live on a virtual chess board while 2 players share a game. Probably for a friendly wager of $1.
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
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Ok really, go tell that to the people of Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia.
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Not only is the ability to maintain decreasing, the complexity is INCREASING exponentially. When the power goes out, that will fix the complexity issue.
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Look at our legal code -- it is Byzantine in its complexity.

Yeah, we took a simple brilliant idea (our form of government) and fucked it all up with bad laws and an activist judiciary out of control lately.
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We let lawyers control our lives.
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We need to overthrow all government officials who are working for the benefits of our enemies.
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"Lawyers are plants that will grow in any soil that is cultivated by the hands of others, and when once they have taken root they will extinguish every vegetable that grows around them. ...... The most bungling, the most ignorant member of that profession will, if placed in the most obscure part of the country, promote litigousness and amass more wealth than the most opulent farmer with all his toil.

What a pity that our forefathers who happily extinguished so many fatal customs and expunged fron their new government so many errors and abuses both religious and civil, did not also prevent the introduction of a set of men so dangerous ".

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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
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Ok really, go tell that to the people of Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

You don't seem to understand that all those countries above that USA is supposedly protecting are encircling China and Russia. USA is not "protecting" them for their welfare, but using them to contain and eventually destroy China and Russia. That's USA's foreign agenda. USA will dump any of them just like Trump would dump the Kurd when they're not needed for USA's agenda.

If those countries are Rwanda with it's Hutu-Tutsi genocide, would USA care to protect them from genocide? No way. Screw them. USA would just waste money and energy saving them and get nothing like destroying China and Russia.
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"Lawyers are plants that will grow in any soil that is cultivated by the hands of others, and when once they have taken root they will extinguish every vegetable that grows around them. ...... The most bungling, the most ignorant member of that profession will, if placed in the most obscure part of the country, promote litigousness and amass more wealth than the most opulent farmer with all his toil.

What a pity that our forefathers who happily extinguished so many fatal customs and expunged fron their new government so many errors and abuses both religious and civil, did not also prevent the introduction of a set of men so dangerous ".

H. St. John Crevecoeur - 1787
Letters of an American Farmer
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There is no personal freedom left in profession. The legal "standard of care" has turned us into a nation of robots.
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149




Ok really, go tell that to the people of Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

You don't seem to understand that all those countries above that USA is supposedly protecting are encircling China and Russia. USA is not "protecting" them for their welfare, but using them to contain and eventually destroy China and Russia. That's USA's foreign agenda. USA will dump any of them just like Trump would dump the Kurd when they're not needed for USA's agenda.

If those countries are Rwanda with it's Hutu-Tutsi genocide, would USA care to protect them from genocide? No way. Screw them. USA would just waste money and energy saving them and get nothing like destroying China and Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149



Oh so China and Russia are such good countries that they have to bully their neighbors, they murder opposition politicians. They murder people for their religious beliefs. No real freedom for their population as well as everything is controlled. They are behind and pay for many atrocities all over the globe. I can go on and on but idiot trolls like yourself are hopeless.
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Empires fall during grand solar minimums. Lots of cold cloudy weather, flooding, failed crops, starvation, disease and mass migration to the deep pockets of the empire cities.
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Isn't the sun going into another grand solar minimum?

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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Rome fell because it relied too much on foreign mercenary armies and foreign agents.

Much like the US Military and CIA do today.

Mercenary contractors have no allegiance to the empire, in this case the American empire.

In Rome's case the very mercenaries they hired and trained to protect Rome ended up looting and sacking Rome on multiple occasions.
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Rome fell because it relied too much on foreign mercenary armies and foreign agents.

Much like the US Military and CIA do today.

Mercenary contractors have no allegiance to the empire, in this case the American empire.

In Rome's case the very mercenaries they hired and trained to protect Rome ended up looting and sacking Rome on multiple occasions.
 Quoting: Jungleboogie


Stop the bullcrap and those antifa protesters are funded by the CCP
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USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149




Ok really, go tell that to the people of Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

You don't seem to understand that all those countries above that USA is supposedly protecting are encircling China and Russia. USA is not "protecting" them for their welfare, but using them to contain and eventually destroy China and Russia. That's USA's foreign agenda. USA will dump any of them just like Trump would dump the Kurd when they're not needed for USA's agenda.

If those countries are Rwanda with it's Hutu-Tutsi genocide, would USA care to protect them from genocide? No way. Screw them. USA would just waste money and energy saving them and get nothing like destroying China and Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149



Oh so China and Russia are such good countries that they have to bully their neighbors, they murder opposition politicians. They murder people for their religious beliefs. No real freedom for their population as well as everything is controlled. They are behind and pay for many atrocities all over the globe. I can go on and on but idiot trolls like yourself are hopeless.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

It's actually USA or CIA that pays and pulls the string on most of all atrocities in the world from Indonesia genocide of the supposedly communist party (which was actually murdering many of innocent ordinary citizens who knew nothing about the communist) to the color revolution or arab spring. You are a typically elite-brainwashed to worship America's supposed moral high ground while the Elites are inflicting evil atrocities around the world.

As if swallowing the west MSM propaganda that Russia and China murder it's own people justifies USA's atrocities. You can't even see how biased you are with your supposedly patriotic belief that America is a beacon of freedom on the hill crap.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


FAKE NEWS

europe russia persia turkey etc etc have had setbacks yet their civilizations persevere

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you associated with msnbc/cnn?

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They fall when people don't care to rise up when there's tyranny going on also!
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Rome fell because it relied too much on foreign mercenary armies and foreign agents.

Much like the US Military and CIA do today.

Mercenary contractors have no allegiance to the empire, in this case the American empire.

In Rome's case the very mercenaries they hired and trained to protect Rome ended up looting and sacking Rome on multiple occasions.
 Quoting: Jungleboogie


Stop the bullcrap and those antifa protesters are funded by the CCP
 Quoting: Greenvalley

Keep denying the mercenary military contractors fact that have no allegiance to the empire, and keep blaming CCP or communism for your own peril. As typical losers, you'll keep blaming outside entities like CCP and will lose the ability to solve the inner causes just like America now unable to contain the corona pandemics.

Btw, the mercenaries and military lobbyists are not foreign but ex-USA-military or ex-troops embarking on profiting from America's military power. You idolize your military and eventually the military swallow you up.
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The more detail and complex man becomes
They forget we where simple as children
The more man strays from simple rudimentary rules
We create King's with rules
The more man adds for themselves
Then We as man create Queen's
A Tree was tree
A Ocean was a Ocean
A Person was Alive
Yet man
Create complex details of all to be intelligent
Yet IQ is limited by numbers
Water was simple Always
Yet man too complex to express themselves
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Ok really, go tell that to the people of Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

You don't seem to understand that all those countries above that USA is supposedly protecting are encircling China and Russia. USA is not "protecting" them for their welfare, but using them to contain and eventually destroy China and Russia. That's USA's foreign agenda. USA will dump any of them just like Trump would dump the Kurd when they're not needed for USA's agenda.

If those countries are Rwanda with it's Hutu-Tutsi genocide, would USA care to protect them from genocide? No way. Screw them. USA would just waste money and energy saving them and get nothing like destroying China and Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149



Oh so China and Russia are such good countries that they have to bully their neighbors, they murder opposition politicians. They murder people for their religious beliefs. No real freedom for their population as well as everything is controlled. They are behind and pay for many atrocities all over the globe. I can go on and on but idiot trolls like yourself are hopeless.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

It's actually USA or CIA that pays and pulls the string on most of all atrocities in the world from Indonesia genocide of the supposedly communist party (which was actually murdering many of innocent ordinary citizens who knew nothing about the communist) to the color revolution or arab spring. You are a typically elite-brainwashed to worship America's supposed moral high ground while the Elites are inflicting evil atrocities around the world.

As if swallowing the west MSM propaganda that Russia and China murder it's own people justifies USA's atrocities. You can't even see how biased you are with your supposedly patriotic belief that America is a beacon of freedom on the hill crap.
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Seriously who are you trying to fool? First we had the Soviet Union that was swallowing all neighboring countries into it's communist control, it was going after Europe as well, that's why NATO was created to protect all countries that didn't want to become part of the Soviet Union communism.
Then the CCP which has ties to many evil dictators around the world. Has stolen trillions in unfair trade. Bullies it's neighbors, doesn't allow Hong Kong to be free. Bribes politicians in the USA to do its bidding like NAFTA. I can go on and on but I guess it's hopeless for people like you.
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You don't seem to understand that all those countries above that USA is supposedly protecting are encircling China and Russia. USA is not "protecting" them for their welfare, but using them to contain and eventually destroy China and Russia. That's USA's foreign agenda. USA will dump any of them just like Trump would dump the Kurd when they're not needed for USA's agenda.

If those countries are Rwanda with it's Hutu-Tutsi genocide, would USA care to protect them from genocide? No way. Screw them. USA would just waste money and energy saving them and get nothing like destroying China and Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149



Oh so China and Russia are such good countries that they have to bully their neighbors, they murder opposition politicians. They murder people for their religious beliefs. No real freedom for their population as well as everything is controlled. They are behind and pay for many atrocities all over the globe. I can go on and on but idiot trolls like yourself are hopeless.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

It's actually USA or CIA that pays and pulls the string on most of all atrocities in the world from Indonesia genocide of the supposedly communist party (which was actually murdering many of innocent ordinary citizens who knew nothing about the communist) to the color revolution or arab spring. You are a typically elite-brainwashed to worship America's supposed moral high ground while the Elites are inflicting evil atrocities around the world.

As if swallowing the west MSM propaganda that Russia and China murder it's own people justifies USA's atrocities. You can't even see how biased you are with your supposedly patriotic belief that America is a beacon of freedom on the hill crap.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149




Seriously who are you trying to fool? First we had the Soviet Union that was swallowing all neighboring countries into it's communist control, it was going after Europe as well, that's why NATO was created to protect all countries that didn't want to become part of the Soviet Union communism.
Then the CCP which has ties to many evil dictators around the world. Has stolen trillions in unfair trade. Bullies it's neighbors, doesn't allow Hong Kong to be free. Bribes politicians in the USA to do its bidding like NAFTA. I can go on and on but I guess it's hopeless for people like you.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

Lol, the blindly hopeless calling other hopeless. You're a joke. The fact you don't even know Hong Kong was returned back to China by Britain with a treaty shows you're a dumb fuck. You want to force your worldview on others despite of the reality on the ground. You live in delusion. That's why your type swallow the patriot propaganda crap like bringing freedom to Yugoslavia while the elites brought atrocities to that country breaking it up and setting their own elites business channels with the local terrorists ruling Kosovo.

The real hopeless type who live in a delusion like you ascertain USA will self destruct since you will swallow the propaganda of USA doing good cause by the mercenary contractors and lobbyists who steer the war agenda to siphon the most profit from it.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Yes, of course it does.

This is due to the people in the cities living a false, occult life for the most part. Mostly based on money, and heavily scripted from birth.

The real world will be waiting, still, after your "Civilization" crumbles.

So why not build your life in the real world. The Natural World of God's Creation!

Those who do His given work will be just fine.
"All you may know of heaven or hell is within your own self." - Edgar Cayce
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


This empire you talk of has a lot of baggage.

The blood of innocents the whites spilled across it cursed it to them forever. Nothing good will ever come to them here, no peace, no contentment.
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I'm not sure anything can fix the convoluted knot we're in, culturally, financially, and in any other way you can imagine.

Too the elite who play the long game, we were a one shot rifle with unerring accuracy, quickly discarded.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


America is experiencing the social and political dynamics that affected Russia, Germany, China and Cuba during the 20th century, from Stalin to Castro. US versions of a Marx or Maduro throughout all walks of life are suffocating Uncle Sam, Lady Liberty and the Golden Eagle.
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The blood of innocents the whites spilled across it cursed it to them forever. Nothing good will ever come to them here, no peace, no contentment.
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Look at all the blood of innocents spilled by white Stalin against white Russians, the blood of innocents spilled by yellow Mao against yellow Chinese and the blood of innocents spilled by brown Castro against brown Cubans, etc, etc.
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Re: Great empires fall when they lack the ability to maintain their own complexity.
well, The Imperial United States of America is done.
stick a fork in it.
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Some, or even most empires rely on continuous expansion for survival. When they stop expanding, they fall, just like the slave empire aka Roman Empire. Roman Empire was stopped around 3rd century AD by well-organized resistance. It didn't just collapse by itself, it was stopped by a nation that had massive iron industry organized to fight the Roman threat.





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