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Great empires fall when they lack the ability to maintain their own complexity.

 
Ordovician

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[Whichever new faction ended up with the power,] 'life would go on as it had always gone on - that is, badly.'
- Benjamin the donkey, Orwell’s “Animal Farm”
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149


US is protecting trade routes around the world. Without this protection there would be no global trade, you decide whether it's good, or bad, but USA does provide some kind of global order, whether you like it or not and void is most often filled by something worse, like when you remove the king, you get communists etc..
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Dark times are coming for the world, specially when there is no usa to protect the free world.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

USA is not protecting the world. USA is threatening every other countries to submit to USA agenda. Everything USA did to this world is to make USA agenda benefits from it.

The idea that USA is protecting the world is the propaganda the elites programmed into the sheeple Americans to make the sheeples feel great for doing supposedly "good cause" while the elites use the supports of the sheeples to ravage the world for their own economic and power interest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149


US is protecting trade routes around the world. Without this protection there would be no global trade, you decide whether it's good, or bad, but USA does provide some kind of global order, whether you like it or not and void is most often filled by something worse, like when you remove the king, you get communists etc..
 Quoting: Kagnimir 78589715


You're both right. The US isn't "protecting " the world, it is protecting its own interests, and the interests of its controllers.

BUT... the spiritual state of humanity is such that we will always have a bully ruling us. The only question is, "which bully"?

The main contenders are:

1. The US-Zionist axis of today

2. Communist China

3. An Islamo-fascist caliphate

Everything bad people have to say about option #1 is true, but it's naive to think one of the replacements would be an improvement.
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07/02/2020 03:29 AM
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empires fall when nobody gives a fuck anymore
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Which is another way of saying the same as the thread's title.
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ALL empires collapse in time.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Rome fell because it relied too much on foreign mercenary armies and foreign agents.

Much like the US Military and CIA do today.

Mercenary contractors have no allegiance to the empire, in this case the American empire.

In Rome's case the very mercenaries they hired and trained to protect Rome ended up looting and sacking Rome on multiple occasions.
 Quoting: Jungleboogie


Stop the bullcrap and those antifa protesters are funded by the CCP
 Quoting: Greenvalley

Keep denying the mercenary military contractors fact that have no allegiance to the empire, and keep blaming CCP or communism for your own peril. As typical losers, you'll keep blaming outside entities like CCP and will lose the ability to solve the inner causes just like America now unable to contain the corona pandemics.

Btw, the mercenaries and military lobbyists are not foreign but ex-USA-military or ex-troops embarking on profiting from America's military power. You idolize your military and eventually the military swallow you up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149


Of course they are foreign.

The Afghan army is a mercenary army, bought, trained and paid for by US taxpayers. The Afghan warlords and their armies are also bought off by US taxpayer dollars.

What do you think happens when that money stops flowing?

Lots of bad stuff.
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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You're forgetting that 400 years ago our ancestors were the outsiders who came here and destroyed the nations that were here before us. It's the nature of man to migrate and conquer other nations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79096143


There was no nation in north america, them natives can hardly wipe their own ass never mind set up an actual nation with laws and standards
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Actually from what I have read they showed up in the 1500s to trade tea kettles for fur and ended up unwittingly infecting the natives with smallpox and other European diseases the native Americans had no resistance to. By the time the next wave of Euros showed up in the early 1600s, 90% of the natives in the East were dead and it was mostly empty country.

This is the east of the North American continent. Things played out differently in South America, where there was by all accounts more mass slaughter by the Spanish/Portuguese and the fall of the mesoamerican and inca civilizations.
 Quoting: Ordovician


You cannot lump the Spanish and Portuguese action in South America as being one and the same. They weren't. In fact, slavery of Indians in Brazil was forbidden by royal decree. They were described as being in a state of original innocence, they didn't have shame of their private parts.

All the slaves in Brazil were from Africa, and some of the bigger slave traders were certain African families.

You should read the account of the first encounter between the Portuguese sailors and the natives of Brazil.

More destruction of Indians was done after Brazil became independent than before.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


The USA fucked up when you let (((Them))) in. Big mistake.
Leave people alone.
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Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity!
So I guess most empires must fall.
A QED I guess.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


The USA fucked up when you let (((Them))) in. Big mistake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76166984


every 4 years after an election we let thousands and thousands of them in. not this time. this next bunch of trumpers doesn't have the head biscuits to fill in a form so we are safe.
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07/02/2020 06:16 AM
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Look at our legal code -- it is Byzantine in its complexity.

Yeah, we took a simple brilliant idea (our form of government) and fucked it all up with bad laws and an activist judiciary out of control lately.
 Quoting: Builder of the Adytum


Yeah, the constitution really tried, but it's been way too easy for the legislative to create new laws. The legislature was a mistake. If laws are to mean anything they must be universally understood and enforced, ours are neither.
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The governments of old lost their legitimacy with the people. That is what happened in the past and that is what is happening now. Plain and simple.

They figured out their rulers were a bunch of creepy parasites leeching off of them, just as we have found.

Hopefully we are smarter than previous civilisations as we are ones who die. They rebuild and start again with fresh uneducated stock.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


The USA fucked up when you let (((Them))) in. Big mistake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76166984


The nazis?

Yeah, true. Big mistake.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


The USA fucked up when you let (((Them))) in. Big mistake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76166984


The nazis?

Yeah, true. Big mistake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79097085


They were heavily into the occult. So was JPL founder parsons. Into sex orgy rituals nightly. The whole NASA operation is smoke and mirrors. It’s like Hillary said. If people found out they’d all be strung from the lamp post, there’s that many of them.

There is a video floating around of the space station. It has a very interesting reflection on the ipad strapped to the astronauts leg. Mind blowing stuff.
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Oh so China and Russia are such good countries that they have to bully their neighbors, they murder opposition politicians. They murder people for their religious beliefs. No real freedom for their population as well as everything is controlled. They are behind and pay for many atrocities all over the globe. I can go on and on but idiot trolls like yourself are hopeless.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

It's actually USA or CIA that pays and pulls the string on most of all atrocities in the world from Indonesia genocide of the supposedly communist party (which was actually murdering many of innocent ordinary citizens who knew nothing about the communist) to the color revolution or arab spring. You are a typically elite-brainwashed to worship America's supposed moral high ground while the Elites are inflicting evil atrocities around the world.

As if swallowing the west MSM propaganda that Russia and China murder it's own people justifies USA's atrocities. You can't even see how biased you are with your supposedly patriotic belief that America is a beacon of freedom on the hill crap.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149




Seriously who are you trying to fool? First we had the Soviet Union that was swallowing all neighboring countries into it's communist control, it was going after Europe as well, that's why NATO was created to protect all countries that didn't want to become part of the Soviet Union communism.
Then the CCP which has ties to many evil dictators around the world. Has stolen trillions in unfair trade. Bullies it's neighbors, doesn't allow Hong Kong to be free. Bribes politicians in the USA to do its bidding like NAFTA. I can go on and on but I guess it's hopeless for people like you.
 Quoting: Greenvalley

Lol, the blindly hopeless calling other hopeless. You're a joke. The fact you don't even know Hong Kong was returned back to China by Britain with a treaty shows you're a dumb fuck. You want to force your worldview on others despite of the reality on the ground. You live in delusion. That's why your type swallow the patriot propaganda crap like bringing freedom to Yugoslavia while the elites brought atrocities to that country breaking it up and setting their own elites business channels with the local terrorists ruling Kosovo.

The real hopeless type who live in a delusion like you ascertain USA will self destruct since you will swallow the propaganda of USA doing good cause by the mercenary contractors and lobbyists who steer the war agenda to siphon the most profit from it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78393149




You idiot, who do you think the people of Hong Kong were protesting against?

All propaganda lies will be exposed. As the bible says what is done in dark will come to light.
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What we are witnessing today is the same reason Rome fell, its a cycle and all civilizations follow it.

Mob rule takes over and she crumbles from the inside.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


ALL CIVILIZATIONS ARE HOW THE WORLD STRUCTURE AKA SATAN KINGDOMS ARE MADE

THIS CONSTRUCTION IS A PERVERSION OF PERFECTION

THAT IS HEAVEN

THIS PERVERSION ALWAYS FAILS

FOR IT IS IMPERFECT, INACCURATE AND INCONSISTENT

AND IS THE FAILURE OF SATAN

AND THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW HIM

HE WILL ALWAYS FAIL

THAT'S WHO HE IS

HOWEVER

BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST

IN HIM ALL THINGS ARE ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT

FOREVER

WHERE THE IMPERFECTION OF THE WORLD KINGDOMS AKA SATAN

CAN NEVER LIVE

EVER
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Maintaining complexity is what makes the fall. Simplicity is everlasting.
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Look at our legal code -- it is Byzantine in its complexity.

Yeah, we took a simple brilliant idea (our form of government) and fucked it all up with bad laws and an activist judiciary out of control lately.
 Quoting: Builder of the Adytum


And in record time, too.
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Maintaining complexity is what makes the fall. Simplicity is everlasting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78779185


ONLY IN PERFECTION

IN

IMPERFECTION THERE IS NO SIMPLICITY

EVER
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Look at our legal code -- it is Byzantine in its complexity.

Yeah, we took a simple brilliant idea (our form of government) and fucked it all up with bad laws and an activist judiciary out of control lately.
 Quoting: Builder of the Adytum


The more laws on the books.....the more corrupt the society is

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