Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,779 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,466,915
Pageviews Today: 2,436,085Threads Today: 915Posts Today: 16,606
11:33 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 79118742
United States
07/07/2020 04:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
I want to put out there, something that I've thought about for a while now. The reason that I'm writing this is to share with you, my ideas and see what ideas you have that may work with or better than what I present. Let me start by saying that I feel that the judicial system as we know it must be changed. What is in place now, is in fact, either a fraternity of "made men" or women, political warfare agents placed by the executive branch, or corrupt local electorial popularity contest winners. These are the executors of the law and punishment. I don't know how to repair the judicial branch, but it needs to be repaired in an honest and fair way. As far as the police.....bring back protect and serve instead of voluntary forfeiture. Simple as that....

With that portion out of the way, lets get started. In the U.S., we have the framework of a near perfect system, when it comes to law and crime & punishment. Where we have failed is it's implementation. Most of Our prisons are operated by private interests that break the backbone of American taxpayers. It also smells of corruption. States have told us that criminals would be exposed to covid while being locked up, so numerous governors released thousands of criminals into the public. For that, we've seen crime rates soar across the country and the blm/antifa movements become an extremist militant operations where hundreds of people have died in the last 30+ days alone....all because of fear of catching a cold. To me, the safest place for the criminals to be and the public would agree, would be in prison! The lack of Education is generally the #1 cause of social issues. Combine that with poor and you have the perfect storm in a path to prison. Maybe something like this could work better than what we currently have. What we have are training centers of hate and divide.

Look, I don't want this to be preachy. I don't know everything....but i do have a plan. Hope you like it.


To get prison reform, we must reform the prison and the prisoner.
1. The prison
In order to make this work for everyone is to make everyone the same! No more segregation. No more gang activity. This is now a place of work, worship and community. Every service will require work, dedication, attentiveness, education, safety, and team work. Nothing goes in with the prisoner, but new work and social skills will come out. Each prisoner will be assessed upon entry. Based on an ASVAB like testing, he will then be placed into a job training program targeted towards daily operations at the facility. All utilities, services, food products, clothing, toiletries, and goods in general will be paid for by the prisoner and the collective of prisoners thru a co op system of business formed by the facility.
Some of the new services provided by prisoners to the general public...at 1/3 of the labor rate of normal competition
1. Mechanics Shop
2. Welding services
3. Carpentry furniture building
4. Gardening and farming
5. Livestock trading market
6. Produce sales
7. meat and poultry sales
8. Clothing production
9. Horse stables
10. Animal rescue
11. Education
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 79118742
United States
07/07/2020 04:42 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
I'll get whoever's input and finish with the prisoners next.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 70657425
United States
07/07/2020 04:44 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
Since the early nineties, they have tried prison EMTs.

Personally prison doesn't work. I think banishment would be a better less expensive idea. Return to America would cause immediate execution.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 33385990
Australia
07/07/2020 04:44 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
really. prisoners work for 1/3 the monkey. so they replace illegal immigrants? you can't pay them less than minimum wage or it is illegal
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 70657425
United States
07/07/2020 04:45 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
Look up prison rodeos.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 70657425
United States
07/07/2020 04:51 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
During the colonial period, some impoverished English people turned to crime as there was no social support framework. So some were out in debtor's prisons which was highly illegal. But banishment might happen where they were allowed to be released, put aboard a ship bound for the New World where there were lots of opportunities, and then charged with not returning under any circumstances. To do so, then required paying off uscrupulous ship captains and sneaking off the ship.

Some were caught and executed. Some I think went to Australia.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 79118742
United States
07/07/2020 05:05 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
really. prisoners work for 1/3 the monkey. so they replace illegal immigrants? you can't pay them less than minimum wage or it is illegal
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33385990


So....they don't have rights any longer. They gave those up in exchange for criminal behavior. Im looking only at giving them the ability to provide for themselves, remove the expense from the taxpayers, and re-educate them for when they are eventually released. Lifers or death row....not in this discussion...
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 79118742
United States
07/07/2020 05:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
Since the early nineties, they have tried prison EMTs.

Personally prison doesn't work. I think banishment would be a better less expensive idea. Return to America would cause immediate execution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70657425


I tend to agree with that.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 79118742
United States
07/07/2020 05:08 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
During the colonial period, some impoverished English people turned to crime as there was no social support framework. So some were out in debtor's prisons which was highly illegal. But banishment might happen where they were allowed to be released, put aboard a ship bound for the New World where there were lots of opportunities, and then charged with not returning under any circumstances. To do so, then required paying off uscrupulous ship captains and sneaking off the ship.

Some were caught and executed. Some I think went to Australia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70657425



Makes prisons here today look like summer camp.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 33385990
Australia
07/07/2020 05:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
really. prisoners work for 1/3 the monkey. so they replace illegal immigrants? you can't pay them less than minimum wage or it is illegal
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33385990


So....they don't have rights any longer. They gave those up in exchange for criminal behavior. Im looking only at giving them the ability to provide for themselves, remove the expense from the taxpayers, and re-educate them for when they are eventually released. Lifers or death row....not in this discussion...
 Quoting: Reality check 2


so you want to set them up in competition to local mechanics, carpenters ect ect ect, and they only get 1/3 the pay? gee how are you going to convince the mechanics and carpenters that the underpaid competition is going to be good for them? or do you just want your slave labor prisons to make some monkey?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78041896
United States
07/07/2020 05:53 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: A True Prison Reform Idea...One That Pays Back America
I know first hand that the system is indeed rigged. For the sake of honesty, I deserved to be punished for what I did, but I believe context should matter in some crimes and i wanted a lesser charg. The glaring problem is in how it was handled...

My public defender was not from the public defenders office he worked for a private law firm. The government requires them to do so many hours/cases as a public defender at a huge pay cut.

I got treated as youd expect. I never even met my lawyer until the day of court. I told him I needed to talk to him about the case, he pointed to the discovery and literally got an attitude "what is there to talk about? Its all right here!" This is MY lawyer...

I obviously have no shot. He was also buddy buddy with the prosecutors which i found odd. Laughing, joking around... how hard is it to imagine they go out for drinks...

On top of the psychologically attacking nature of jail... its almost impossible to defend yourself properly. It certainly doesnt feel like "innocent before proven guilty". Those words are as meaningful as your wife telling you she loves you everytime she leaves the kids home alone to cheat on you. It keeps our mouths shut while they are betraying the shit out of you!





GLP